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ItWasMeantToBe19
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World famous philosopher sucks at rational argument. Sad!
https://www.buzzfeed.com/katiejmbak...ual-misconduct?utm_term=.siWMYo2XW#.orGN2neMP
excelsiorlef
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Nothing like powerful people comparing their "plight" to horrific things that aren't remotely comparable.
We have a primary with people comparing a candidates campaign to the civil rights movement. Yeah that ship sailed a long time ago.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Anybody know which states release caucus turnout?
I've created a spreadsheet to adjust caucus results to voters.
Having a few states of data would give me a good estimate for other states.
I've created a spreadsheet to adjust caucus results to voters.
Having a few states of data would give me a good estimate for other states.
excelsiorlef
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For sure.
Macho Madness
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If they release it, it will show here: http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/...tatype=national&def=1&f=1&off=0&elect=1&evt=C
Did you know that MLK marched with Bernie Sanders?
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
k, thanks.
I also found that Washington has an estimated 230k vote in the caucus, which gives me a good datapoint.
I'm just about done with it.
excelsiorlef
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If Hillary Clinton does a good job she'll have an easy reelection in 2020. If not she will be incredibly vulnerable. I would expect her favorability numbers to move much like they did as Sec. of State. Once Clinton has a job people like how she does it, it's when she asks for a new one that the power hungry stigma makes people recoil.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
All I need now are the number of registered voters in Minnesota and Maine.
The state webpages either buried the number where I can't find it, or it's not published on them.
It's not making a significant difference, since only about 6% of registered voters participate in caucuses based on Washington's numbers.
This also mirrors this article: http://journalistsresource.org/stud...pation-in-presidential-primaries-and-caucuses
The state webpages either buried the number where I can't find it, or it's not published on them.
It's not making a significant difference, since only about 6% of registered voters participate in caucuses based on Washington's numbers.
This also mirrors this article: http://journalistsresource.org/stud...pation-in-presidential-primaries-and-caucuses
A media device that lies to people and an incoherent movement energized by racism and ignorance.
User 463088
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http://www.wmtw.com/politics/maine-democratic-caucuses-underway-sunday/38370544
Here's some information for Maine.
It looks like turnout in Maine was 46,000.
Dash_Riprock
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He actually said that? So he deliberately wants to build a platform that spreads bias bullshit and lies, only left-leaning?
What the fuck is wrong with this guy?
aspiegamer
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Yes, he did actually say that.
It made it sound like he wanted a propaganda network to "counter," which still doesn't excuse the fact that it's a propaganda network. And if he were president I assume it'd be his official mouthpiece? Yeah, uh, nothing fishy detected there!
Dubbedinenglish
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Read wrong, correct
plagiarize
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This is brilliant.
I remember Maddow's reaction when she was doing the interview, he had her shook. I don't think any responsible journalist, or anyone who has been paying attention, wants a left-wing Fox News as it'd only make things worse.
plagiarize
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My right wing friends already argue that MSNBC is a left wing Fox news.
Of course, my Bernie Sanders supporting friends think MSNBC is a republican network supporting that famous republican Hillary Clinton. Perspective is everything I guess.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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notch.... uhh, let's not do this, mmkay.
excelsiorlef
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We've seen a left wing fox news. It's The Young Turks.... no thanks to that on a national level.
Bernie can fuck the fuck off if he dares and attempts to do that.
It's a liberal/capitalist network. But they pretty much all are except for Fox which is more like some fusion between a capitalist and proto-fascist network, and One America News or whatever it's called.
excelsiorlef
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Notch has been securely MRA light for a while.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Thank you, that confirms my model is overestimating numbers if it's doing anything wrong.
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Sanders is being underrepresented by about 295k votes from caucuses not releasing their data. This is based on expecting 8% turnout out of all registered voters in the Dem primary (This is generous too, and based around Minnesota's very high turnout).
Some math I used:
(Total registered voters * 8%) * % Each Candidate Got in Delegates.
Keep in mind I used the TOTAL registered voters, including Republicans, so this IS overstating the turnout, but I erred on the side of including more voters. I was not willing to spend time creating separate formulas for closed and open caucuses, etc. Especially since this is a rough estimate anyway, since there is not much data to work with.
So yeah, if you want to be really overly fair, you should say Clinton has a 2.7 Million vote lead.
Huh? MSNBC is the only liberal equivalent of Fox News. And it sucks. Nobody wants news with a political slant outside of conservatives.
The same thing that contributed to Donald Trump winning on the right: a complete and utter lack of media vetting in order to protect an established "Horse race! The People are angry!!!" narrative.
It's been said before, but it bears repeating: If Bernie had been subjected to even half the scrutiny Hillary has been subjected to all primary, his candidacy would have been over months ago.
I mean, can anyone IMAGINE the shit storm that would have ensued if Hillary had said she wanted a left equivalent to Fox News? My God...
So since the first post I made in Poligaf went over ok:
A film critic whose twitter account I stopped by forschadenfreude Cannes reactions, posted this.
And I haven't been able to verify it, it seems just a bit too good to be true. But if there's anything this election cycle has taught me is that nothing is too bisarre to be outright dismissed any more.
A film critic whose twitter account I stopped by for
And I haven't been able to verify it, it seems just a bit too good to be true. But if there's anything this election cycle has taught me is that nothing is too bisarre to be outright dismissed any more.
All news has a political slant. MSNBC, CNN, BBC, etc. are all liberal networks. They just have higher quality standards than tabloid-level trash like Fox.
I'm not using liberal to mean "progressive".
Coriolanus
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How so? By increasing the divide between parties?
I imagine he means stuff like bad reporting/conspiracy theories (GMOs!! vaccines are bad!!! Bush did 9/11!!!) that people on the left can be susceptible to would increase and thereby create the much-feared Left Wing Tea Party (tm). People who believe this stuff already vote Democratic anyway, they just don't have a mass media voice that would let it boil over like with Fox.
I don't think we need a left wing Fox News. We had that, it was called Pravda, and it was obviously a bad thing. I do wish, however, there was more socialist criticism in the news but that won't happen in mass media.
While it may be harder, you should confront partisan, factless pandering with facts, not another dose of partisan factless pandering.
See: the young turks.
Aaron Strife
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Lol I feel like JFK is not the comparison to make for a lot of people. Rightly or wrongly he's viewed as the pinnacle of mainstream American liberalism.So since the first post I made in Poligaf went over ok:
A film critic whose twitter account I stopped by forschadenfreudeCannes reactions, posted this.
And I haven't been able to verify it, it seems just a bit too good to be true. But if there's anything this election cycle has taught me is that nothing is too bisarre to be outright dismissed any more.
But it goes to show you that no matter how good a candidate is, there will always be those who try to pull the "lesser of two evils" crap. I remember people in 08 spouting that shit about Obama. Giant douche vs. turd sandwich in particular has probably poisoned the well of political discourse for quite a while.
I'm not super jazzed about Hillary specifically versus just electing another Democrat, but not every president is going to be a revolution.
shinra-bansho
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My uncle works at Nevada.
What's in area 51
BlastProcessing
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He said it in his Maddow interview. He doesn't just call for a left Fox News, he calls for a news organization directly funded by the Democratic Party.
It seemed really odd to see an anti-establishment guy call for the construction of a vast Party media machine.
RastaMentality
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I could possibly see Kamala Harris AND Bill Clinton tomorrow in Sac. Could be a good day.
What did Jim Gilmore spend all that money on?
The Young Turks are basically a left Fox News, just not syndicated
Pretty sure Notch was a gamergater, or at least "neutral". Not surprising
Pretty sure Notch was a gamergater, or at least "neutral". Not surprising
Dominican Power
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CNN ain't liberal. They're more like center right. Fuck The Americans for not tuning in to Aljazeera America. Channel probably would of had a chance if it had a different name.
I'm not using liberal to mean progressive or left wing.
I wish I had a tag that said "every time I say liberal I mean it in the classical sense" or something. I guess I should just start saying "classical liberal" every time since that's the only way I think I'll ever be clear...
User 463088
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There are no good Hillary Clinton wallpapers. 
Coriolanus
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I'd be quite interested to see the impact that such a media device, if it managed to be successful, would have on the overton window.
Not quite. I feel that one should do both. A tool for every job and allathat. Accept that some voters simply react better to the low info crap (for whatever particular reason) and exploit as needed (unless data suggests that they do not exist in significant numbers in your side of the woods, obv).
Whatever drives up turnout in your favour, really.
You'd have a point if democrats did not have a turnout problem, which is likely to worsen given the continued democratic presence in the WH.
Not quite. I feel that one should do both. A tool for every job and allathat. Accept that some voters simply react better to the low info crap (for whatever particular reason) and exploit as needed (unless data suggests that they do not exist in significant numbers in your side of the woods, obv).
Whatever drives up turnout in your favour, really.
Yeah, I won't mince words: I think that's gross.
All the hand-wringing over Trump is silly to me. I get that his rise has been unimaginable. I get that more and more republicans are coming to accept that he is their nominee. But I don't see how his contradictory statements and inflammatory statements don't hurt him with voters when it comes time to actually picking the next president. His positions are all over the map. His statement that he will "day 1" get rid of gun-free-zones (meaning guns allowed in schools and military bases despite sensible people associated with schools and the military saying this is a terrible idea) then turning around and saying he is not for guns in schools is as contradictory and nonsensical as all his racist statements then saying "Hispanics love me!" He will get burned with every demo and on every issue except white males and even then he is contradictory and erratic enough to lose a lot of sensible, moderate, white male voters who would otherwise vote republican. Trump is a walking talking hot mess and it seems only "establishment" republicans realize it so far.
Weird, that's not how he described it at all. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...ders-calls-for-democratic-version-of-fox-news
Watch the video, don't just read the quotes. His criticism of existing networks is that they cover too much gossip and don't talk about policy. His example is basically "how much coverage is 'what stupid thing did Donald Trump say' vs 'why is America the only country that doesn't guarantee healthcare?'"
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