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PoliGAF 2016 |OT8| No, Donald. You don't.
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Joe Shlabotnik
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Thiel needs his parents to kiss at the Enchantment Under the Sea dance?
VendettaRed07
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I wouldn't have adopted some of the positions that Hillary did if I was going to pick Kaine.
If we were going to move as far as we did on the platform issues the pick should have been someone like Warren.
If we were going to move as far as we did on the platform issues the pick should have been someone like Warren.
Let's not overthink this. Kaine is an inoffensive white male with a lot of experience and a good relationship with Hilldawg. He's got the qualifications. He will do no harm. He comes from a swing state. He does not cost us a Senate seat. He's a smart pick.
He's just fukkin boring. BUT I would stress that people should give him a chance. Right now he walks into a room and opens his mouth and you're like OMG SO BORING.
It's like that episode of Rocko's Modern Life where the cartoonist makes his grand new cartoon and the show gets started and is immediately cancelled on frame 2.
My only reservation is that minorities are like "wtf?" and stay home.
He's just fukkin boring. BUT I would stress that people should give him a chance. Right now he walks into a room and opens his mouth and you're like OMG SO BORING.
It's like that episode of Rocko's Modern Life where the cartoonist makes his grand new cartoon and the show gets started and is immediately cancelled on frame 2.
My only reservation is that minorities are like "wtf?" and stay home.
NYCmetsfan
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As a boring white dude who speaks Spanish. This pick is inspiring!
Basileus777
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At least with Kaine we won't have to pretend that Hillary is grooming a successor. Though hopefully this won't cost us a Senate seat come 2018, at least with say Booker there was no real danger of a Republican winning an election to that seat.
You'll be able to use an app to monetize your slave's downtime. It's like Uber, but for the founding fathers and landed gentry
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I mean the major flaws with Kaine are:
1. Doesn't help Hillary win at all (arguably no one would), polls have him not moving needle at all in Virginia.
2. Not a future presidential candidate
3. Was pretty moderate prior to 2012 which is some concern in case Hillary gets assassinated.
4. Will most likely lose his Senate seat in 2017.
Ehhhhh
1. Doesn't help Hillary win at all (arguably no one would), polls have him not moving needle at all in Virginia.
2. Not a future presidential candidate
3. Was pretty moderate prior to 2012 which is some concern in case Hillary gets assassinated.
4. Will most likely lose his Senate seat in 2017.
Ehhhhh
Big Green Anus
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I'm happy with the Kaine pick since having a woman on the ticket is enough to make people idiots. It also helps he comes from a swing state Virginia and does not lose any senate seats like Brown amd Brooker.
A Link to the Past
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I guess people needed clarity that Trump didn't have a time-traveling DeLorean
VendettaRed07
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Not sure why people think he isn't a candidate in the future. He'll be young enough to run and no one will have a resume that can compete with his
Yeah I don't think Kaine is a bad pick. He is just boring. But Hillary said she had 2 primary concerns, depth of previous experience meaning readiness to take over the presidency and a good working relationship with her. Kaine checks the boxes. I think he can be a good VP, I'm just not sure he was the best possible pick. Maybe a better governing partner than politician.
This will be the thing that gets heads turning I think. Especially if he does it in Florida. Doesn't he speak fluent Spanish? Meaning he's not going to be hesitating when he speaks and it's going to flow naturally.
I think this might actually be a good thing. A healthy primary in 2024 could ensure we end up with a good candidate, and not a 2000 type situation where a crappy candidate like Gore was essentially unppposed. There's going to be a lot of good potential candidates then.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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A 66 year old white male with negative charisma is probably gonna get crushed in the primaries.
1) Boring pick.
2) Guess Hillary is ok with Trump having the media dote over his every breath while only paying cursory attention to her campaign.
3) I'm not concerned about Hillary losing. But I am concerned that somewhere around the latter half of the primaries Hillary lost all desire to be bold and take risks. The campaign now seems to just be tucking its limbs in and holding on to November. Kaine is such a safe choice she'll likely be critisized for how safe it is. Hillary seems to just be aiming for a win, when against a man like Trump she should be aiming for a blowout.
2) Guess Hillary is ok with Trump having the media dote over his every breath while only paying cursory attention to her campaign.
3) I'm not concerned about Hillary losing. But I am concerned that somewhere around the latter half of the primaries Hillary lost all desire to be bold and take risks. The campaign now seems to just be tucking its limbs in and holding on to November. Kaine is such a safe choice she'll likely be critisized for how safe it is. Hillary seems to just be aiming for a win, when against a man like Trump she should be aiming for a blowout.
As a Mexican American, it's always fun to see. Always gets a "Huh, interesting" chuckle out of me. Should go over decently well.
RastaMentality
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Who the hell is voting for Kaine in 2024? Lol
VendettaRed07
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Not if the party clears the way for him in a similar way to what they did this cycle
I feel like he's a general election loss waiting to happen
Who would anyone know anything at this point.
Basileus777
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I don't think Kaine is what Democratic voters will choose to oppose President Ryan. Though maybe he can pull a Mondale.
If I don't see Kaine making rounds on spanish news channels I will be extremely disappointed.
Yep. Plus our best candidates won't be directly linked with the administration. They'll be able to have their own voices.
Yep. Plus our best candidates won't be directly linked with the administration. They'll be able to have their own voices.
RastaMentality
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That's not gonna happen. And even if it did, the party's large amount of minority voters would likely not vote for Kaine anyways.
User 463088
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Kaine is not running in 2024. That's why he got picked. You don't have to worry about ambition. He's a nothing that you can push bad things onto. And he doesn't offend anyone. And he's vanilla ice cream. I'd rather have chocolate. Or rocky road. Or butter brickle. But....it's still ice cream.
I want ice cream.
I want ice cream.
VendettaRed07
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People probably would have said the same thing about Biden in 2016. I think he runs if his son didn't die. Not sure if he would have won but it would have been close if he did
Spoiled Milk
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Same kind of person that votes for Romney
Tim Kaine is not ice cream
VendettaRed07
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Its possible that they wouldn't, but who knows?
Or what if something does happen to Hillary, and he serves out a term, and goes for reelection. Do we primary him? I doubt it.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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If they cleared the field for Kaine in 2024, LeBron would probably be able to beat him for the nomination.
Speaking of LeBron, the Dems should offer him the Democratic nomination for Ohio Governor in 2024 if he stumps for Hillary and Strickland this year.
Speaking of LeBron, the Dems should offer him the Democratic nomination for Ohio Governor in 2024 if he stumps for Hillary and Strickland this year.
He's unflavored froyo
Black Mamba
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Trump is replacing the black and white podium that's been there all week with a black and gold one.
unbelievable.
unbelievable.
NYCmetsfan
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I don't have "gringo accent" which always freaks Spanish speakers out. When I ask I get a Columbian accent or some weird neutral accent. I pronounce my words correctly (yo puedo pronunciar ferrocarril correctamente) but I sometime mix my time learning I'm Mexico, Spain and Caribbean
Ether_Snake
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How is the DNC supposed to play out? Don't tell me it's the same four-days format as the RNC? They should wrap it up in one or two evenings and just have Obama, Michelle, Biden, Warren, Sanders if he wants, and Barney Frank do a speech. No nobodies with their stories and trying to get in the limelight for 2024.
Like all dictators. Self importance without merit and horrible tastes.
StormBrute
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Yeah, Kaine for his faults seem self-aware of them. He seems like a humble dude. He's the safe pick and he knows it.
When 2024 runs around, I imagine he might give it an attempt if he turns out popular, but they're not going to be clearing the field for him when they have Harris, Kennedy, Ross, Booker, and a bunch of other young faces wanting a play for it.
When 2024 runs around, I imagine he might give it an attempt if he turns out popular, but they're not going to be clearing the field for him when they have Harris, Kennedy, Ross, Booker, and a bunch of other young faces wanting a play for it.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I agree, 4 nights is too much. I think it's a traditional thing at this point.
1 Night for procedural stuff and speaker obligations, and 1 night for key speakers is how I would do it.
Basically Night One would be for diehard Democrats, and Night Two for the general public.
He also clears the way for a young up and comer to get a head start on holding that senate seat as VA moves further blue.
He isn't a big threat to mount a serious 2024 bid either, giving the party a fresh face if they have a crack at five in a row.
And he's made for the VP job. Get in line with the POTUS, not cause any waves, and be proficient with completing the second tier of tasks.
Warren would be wasted as a VP. Booker can build more of a resume in the senate. Sanders wasn't really an option but if Clinton wins he gets to be chairman of the congressional budget committee so he wouldn't even be interested. Vilsack is another brand of white bread. I'd have found the Stavridis pick interesting or Perez but both give up the no public office experience attack on Trump and both bring a one dimensional resume.
I think Kaine will acquit himself far better than many in here expect. He checks a lot of boxes and has been incredibly well liked by every constituency he has represented. Pushing VA completely off the swing map,would also require Trump completely run the swing state map, a near impossibility.
Black Mamba
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like, the people who work here aren't necessarily republicans, right? Do they get vetted?
If I was the balloon drop operator, I would totally fuck it up and do it halfway through his speech. Or a minute before his "I am your voice" line.
Damn it all, why am I not in charge there!?
If I was the balloon drop operator, I would totally fuck it up and do it halfway through his speech. Or a minute before his "I am your voice" line.
Damn it all, why am I not in charge there!?
shinra-bansho
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Media dote on Trump. Lol.
You all just had a heavy dose of Warrenmania.
You all just had a heavy dose of Warrenmania.
Basileus777
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Hillary and Trump both made the equivalent VP pick, a safe generic D/R. Which is the smart thing to do, well unless you bungle it like Trump did.
Cesare Borgia
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I'd love to see Tom Perriello get Kaine's seat.
CrimzonSamurai
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Two Twin Towers shots in 30 seconds.
That's some impressive subliminal messaging.
That's some impressive subliminal messaging.
Black Mamba
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Wait, did Jon Voight just say Queens isn't part of New York City?
Is this video a parody?
Is this video a parody?
Brawndo Addict
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Wait did Kaine get announced?
GutsOfThor
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Excellent post. I have a gut feeling that Kaine may surprise us.
Then again it could be indigestion....
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