PoliGAF 2016 |OT8| No, Donald. You don't.

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fauxtrot said:
They'd look like they're trying to play catch-up / "me too", so they'll let the Trump insanity marinate for at least the night. Tomorrow or Saturday will be the start of Stronger Together and it'll look fucking amazing next to this week's shitshow brought to you by Hate and Fear.
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Oh oops I meant an event Friday night. I thought today was Friday already!
 
fauxtrot said:
You poor, confused soul... my heart goes out to you.
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googleplex said:
Lol you vote hinged on who she picked as VP? How weird.
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Y2Kev said:
YOU. There you are. I expected BETTER.
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He gets it
 
I wouldn't have adopted some of the positions that Hillary did if I was going to pick Kaine.

If we were going to move as far as we did on the platform issues the pick should have been someone like Warren.
 
Let's not overthink this. Kaine is an inoffensive white male with a lot of experience and a good relationship with Hilldawg. He's got the qualifications. He will do no harm. He comes from a swing state. He does not cost us a Senate seat. He's a smart pick.

He's just fukkin boring. BUT I would stress that people should give him a chance. Right now he walks into a room and opens his mouth and you're like OMG SO BORING.

It's like that episode of Rocko's Modern Life where the cartoonist makes his grand new cartoon and the show gets started and is immediately cancelled on frame 2.

My only reservation is that minorities are like "wtf?" and stay home.
 
At least with Kaine we won't have to pretend that Hillary is grooming a successor. Though hopefully this won't cost us a Senate seat come 2018, at least with say Booker there was no real danger of a Republican winning an election to that seat.
 
Black Mamba said:
Thiel just said something like

"he's not taking us to the past. he's taking us to the past for the future" or something.

What the fuck did that mean?
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You'll be able to use an app to monetize your slave's downtime. It's like Uber, but for the founding fathers and landed gentry
 
I mean the major flaws with Kaine are:

1. Doesn't help Hillary win at all (arguably no one would), polls have him not moving needle at all in Virginia.
2. Not a future presidential candidate
3. Was pretty moderate prior to 2012 which is some concern in case Hillary gets assassinated.
4. Will most likely lose his Senate seat in 2017.

Ehhhhh
 
I'm happy with the Kaine pick since having a woman on the ticket is enough to make people idiots. It also helps he comes from a swing state Virginia and does not lose any senate seats like Brown amd Brooker.
 
I'm surprised the GOP is against gays. There is so much cock sucking on this stage right now that you could film an entire series of gay porn.
 
Y2Kev said:
Let's not overthink this. Kaine is an inoffensive white male with a lot of experience and a good relationship with Hilldawg. He's got the qualifications. He will do no harm. He comes from a swing state. He does not cost us a Senate seat. He's a smart pick.

He's just fukkin boring. BUT I would stress that people should give him a chance. Right now he walks into a room and opens his mouth and you're like OMG SO BORING.

It's like that episode of Rocko's Modern Life where the cartoonist makes his grand new cartoon and the show gets started and is immediately cancelled on frame 2.

My only reservation is that minorities are like "wtf?" and stay home.
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Yeah I don't think Kaine is a bad pick. He is just boring. But Hillary said she had 2 primary concerns, depth of previous experience meaning readiness to take over the presidency and a good working relationship with her. Kaine checks the boxes. I think he can be a good VP, I'm just not sure he was the best possible pick. Maybe a better governing partner than politician.
 
NYCmetsfan said:
As a boring white dude who speaks Spanish. This pick is inspiring!
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This will be the thing that gets heads turning I think. Especially if he does it in Florida. Doesn't he speak fluent Spanish? Meaning he's not going to be hesitating when he speaks and it's going to flow naturally.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
I mean the major flaws with Kaine are:

2. Not a future presidential candidate
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I think this might actually be a good thing. A healthy primary in 2024 could ensure we end up with a good candidate, and not a 2000 type situation where a crappy candidate like Gore was essentially unppposed. There's going to be a lot of good potential candidates then.
 
1) Boring pick.

2) Guess Hillary is ok with Trump having the media dote over his every breath while only paying cursory attention to her campaign.

3) I'm not concerned about Hillary losing. But I am concerned that somewhere around the latter half of the primaries Hillary lost all desire to be bold and take risks. The campaign now seems to just be tucking its limbs in and holding on to November. Kaine is such a safe choice she'll likely be critisized for how safe it is. Hillary seems to just be aiming for a win, when against a man like Trump she should be aiming for a blowout.
 
If I don't see Kaine making rounds on spanish news channels I will be extremely disappointed.

johnsmith said:
I think this might actually be a good thing. A healthy primary in 2024 could ensure we end up with a good candidate, and not a 2000 type situation where a crappy candidate like Gore was essentially unppposed. There's going to be a lot of good potential candidates then.
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Yep. Plus our best candidates won't be directly linked with the administration. They'll be able to have their own voices.
 
Kaine is not running in 2024. That's why he got picked. You don't have to worry about ambition. He's a nothing that you can push bad things onto. And he doesn't offend anyone. And he's vanilla ice cream. I'd rather have chocolate. Or rocky road. Or butter brickle. But....it's still ice cream.

I want ice cream.
 
adam387 said:
Kaine is not running in 2024. That's why he got picked. You don't have to worry about ambition. He's a nothing that you can push bad things onto. And he doesn't offend anyone. And he's vanilla ice cream. I'd rather have chocolate. Or rocky road. Or butter brickle. But....it's still ice cream.

I want ice cream.
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Tim Kaine is not ice cream
 
RastaMentality said:
That's not gonna happen. And even if it did, the party's large amount of minority voters would likely not vote for Kaine anyways.
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Its possible that they wouldn't, but who knows?

Or what if something does happen to Hillary, and he serves out a term, and goes for reelection. Do we primary him? I doubt it.
 
If they cleared the field for Kaine in 2024, LeBron would probably be able to beat him for the nomination.

Speaking of LeBron, the Dems should offer him the Democratic nomination for Ohio Governor in 2024 if he stumps for Hillary and Strickland this year.
 
Emarv said:
As a Mexican American, it's always fun to see. Always gets a "Huh, interesting" chuckle out of me. Should go over decently well.
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I don't have "gringo accent" which always freaks Spanish speakers out. When I ask I get a Columbian accent or some weird neutral accent. I pronounce my words correctly (yo puedo pronunciar ferrocarril correctamente) but I sometime mix my time learning I'm Mexico, Spain and Caribbean
 
How is the DNC supposed to play out? Don't tell me it's the same four-days format as the RNC? They should wrap it up in one or two evenings and just have Obama, Michelle, Biden, Warren, Sanders if he wants, and Barney Frank do a speech. No nobodies with their stories and trying to get in the limelight for 2024.
 
Yeah, Kaine for his faults seem self-aware of them. He seems like a humble dude. He's the safe pick and he knows it.

When 2024 runs around, I imagine he might give it an attempt if he turns out popular, but they're not going to be clearing the field for him when they have Harris, Kennedy, Ross, Booker, and a bunch of other young faces wanting a play for it.
 
Ether_Snake said:
How is the DNC supposed to play out? Don't tell me it's the same four-days format as the RNC? They should wrap it up in one or two evenings and just have Obama, Michelle, Biden, Warren, Sanders if he wants, and Barney Frank do a speech. No nobodies with their stories and trying to get in the limelight for 2024.
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I agree, 4 nights is too much. I think it's a traditional thing at this point.

1 Night for procedural stuff and speaker obligations, and 1 night for key speakers is how I would do it.

Basically Night One would be for diehard Democrats, and Night Two for the general public.
 
Y2Kev said:
Let's not overthink this. Kaine is an inoffensive white male with a lot of experience and a good relationship with Hilldawg. He's got the qualifications. He will do no harm. He comes from a swing state. He does not cost us a Senate seat. He's a smart pick.

He's just fukkin boring. BUT I would stress that people should give him a chance. Right now he walks into a room and opens his mouth and you're like OMG SO BORING.

It's like that episode of Rocko's Modern Life where the cartoonist makes his grand new cartoon and the show gets started and is immediately cancelled on frame 2.

My only reservation is that minorities are like "wtf?" and stay home.
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He also clears the way for a young up and comer to get a head start on holding that senate seat as VA moves further blue.

He isn't a big threat to mount a serious 2024 bid either, giving the party a fresh face if they have a crack at five in a row.

And he's made for the VP job. Get in line with the POTUS, not cause any waves, and be proficient with completing the second tier of tasks.

Warren would be wasted as a VP. Booker can build more of a resume in the senate. Sanders wasn't really an option but if Clinton wins he gets to be chairman of the congressional budget committee so he wouldn't even be interested. Vilsack is another brand of white bread. I'd have found the Stavridis pick interesting or Perez but both give up the no public office experience attack on Trump and both bring a one dimensional resume.

I think Kaine will acquit himself far better than many in here expect. He checks a lot of boxes and has been incredibly well liked by every constituency he has represented. Pushing VA completely off the swing map,would also require Trump completely run the swing state map, a near impossibility.
 
like, the people who work here aren't necessarily republicans, right? Do they get vetted?

If I was the balloon drop operator, I would totally fuck it up and do it halfway through his speech. Or a minute before his "I am your voice" line.

Damn it all, why am I not in charge there!?
 
Hillary and Trump both made the equivalent VP pick, a safe generic D/R. Which is the smart thing to do, well unless you bungle it like Trump did.
 
Drek said:
He also clears the way for a young up and comer to get a head start on holding that senate seat as VA moves further blue.

He isn't a big threat to mount a serious 2024 bid either, giving the party a fresh face if they have a crack at five in a row.

And he's made for the VP job. Get in line with the POTUS, not cause any waves, and be proficient with completing the second tier of tasks.

Warren would be wasted as a VP. Booker can build more of a resume in the senate. Sanders wasn't really an option but if Clinton wins he gets to be chairman of the congressional budget committee so he wouldn't even be interested. Vilsack is another brand of white bread. I'd have found the Stavridis pick interesting or Perez but both give up the no public office experience attack on Trump and both bring a one dimensional resume.

I think Kaine will acquit himself far better than many in here expect. He checks a lot of boxes and has been incredibly well liked by every constituency he has represented. Pushing VA completely off the swing map,would also require Trump completely run the swing state map, a near impossibility.
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Excellent post. I have a gut feeling that Kaine may surprise us.

Then again it could be indigestion....
 
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