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[jmood88]

Ahhhhh Scottie nel Hughes: when you say a girl can be president, what about a boy?

That was stupid as hell and the other women on the panel were about to jump her.

Hot take for this morning: I'm really tired of hearing that Sanders voters are the "future" of the party because it immediately sidelines and dismisses the intersectional coalition that actually won the country for Obama twice and won the primary for Hillary.

In this way it's really just PoC erasure yet again.*


* yes, some of Bernie's voters are PoC, no, that doesn't change my take, the demographic focus is different

It's just another way for white liberals to pat themselves on the back and feel powerful again. Many of those people have never voted before, didn't even turn out to vote for Bernie, and will never vote again, so they're not the future of anything. The ones who do vote will find the most obscure candidate and party to support, those people will never win, and they'll just yell on Twitter about how the system is rigged.

 

[GutsOfThor]

Conservative are so bewildered by the fact that Dems aren't talking about national security, ISIS, and the huge debt.

It's almost as if there are REAL problems and threats that exist instead of one-off boogymen.

Those are real problems though. I really do hope they address each of them in length rather than ignoring them.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Those are real problems though. I really do hope they address each of them in length rather than ignoring them.

The deficit isn't a real problem.

 

[Got the Shakes]

Not sure if posted yet, but from the same guy I posted day 1 numbers from yesterday.

"Overnight rating for night 2 of the DNC beat comparable night of the RNC by 30%. 18.2 last night versus 14.0 last Tuesday"

Top markets for President WJC and night 2 of the DNC:

West Palm
Ft. Myers
NYC
Richmond
Philly
Nashville
Knoxville
B'ham
San Fran
Raleigh

 

[nature boy]

Paul Manafort confirms Trump won't be releasing his tax returns.

Pound him on this issue.

 

[DrMungo]

Not sure if posted yet, but from the same guy I posted these numbers from yesterday.

"Overnight rating for night 2 of the DNC beat comparable night of the RNC by 30%. 18.2 last night versus 14.0 last Tuesday"

Top markets for President WJC and night 2 of the DNC:

West Palm
Ft. Myers
NYC
Richmond
Philly
Nashville
Knoxville
B'ham
San Fran
Raleigh

nice

 

[Geg]

I don't know if they mentioned ISIS specifically but last night they did have a whole segment on Clinton's foreign policy experience & national security.

Not sure if posted yet, but from the same guy I posted day 1 numbers from yesterday.

"Overnight rating for night 2 of the DNC beat comparable night of the RNC by 30%. 18.2 last night versus 14.0 last Tuesday"

Top markets for President WJC and night 2 of the DNC:

West Palm
Ft. Myers
NYC
Richmond
Philly
Nashville
Knoxville
B'ham
San Fran
Raleigh

Birmingham, AL? Neat

 

[gcubed]

Paul Manafort confirms Trump won't be releasing his tax returns.

Pound him on this issue.

To me that confirms there is something that will make him look bad in it, most likely Russian investments. Still not saying he has any connections to the hack or Putin but it will certainly look terrible now with the narrative built

 

[balladofwindfishes]

The issue with Hillary bringing up tax returns is Trump can just keep going "SPEECHES SPEECHES" over and over again (thanks Bernie).

The public won't get that they aren't equal.

 

[gutter_trash]

To me that confirms there is something that will make him look bad in it, most likely Russian investments. Still not saying he has any connections to the hack or Putin but it will certainly look terrible now with the narrative built

More like Russia investments in Trump,

the more shit goes, the more it seems that Trump is an indebted man owing money to foreign nationals including Russia

 

[Hopfrog]

Paul Manafort confirms Trump won't be releasing his tax returns.

Pound him on this issue.

The American people are entitled to see what is there. If you don't want people looking at your taxes then don't run for public office.

 

[ampere]

Even Shaun King is going to vote for Hillary now

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ele...rump-voting-hillary-clinton-article-1.2726614

People comin' round.

Paul Manafort confirms Trump won't be releasing his tax returns.

Pound him on this issue.

The Clintons are richer confirmed

 

[Nazgul_Hunter]

The American people are entitled to see what is there. If you don't want people looking at your taxes then don't run for public office.

They keep comparing themselves to Nixon '68. Maybe they should ask if they're afraid of releasing tax returns for the same reason Nixon shouldn't have released his.


Edit: Can we please please please get Elizabeth Warren to taunt trump on his SAD! Ratings loss to the democrats? It would make my day

 

[balladofwindfishes]

It's weird seeing some of these huge Bernie supporters on Facebook talking about how inspired they are right now and are excited to vote for Hillary. A week ago they were posing dank memes about how corrupt Hillary is. I guess Bernie's words really got to them.

The bump she gets is going to be unreal.

 

[Roland_Gunner]

Not sure if posted yet, but from the same guy I posted day 1 numbers from yesterday.

"Overnight rating for night 2 of the DNC beat comparable night of the RNC by 30%. 18.2 last night versus 14.0 last Tuesday"

Top markets for President WJC and night 2 of the DNC:

Big Dawg eatin! I know there are substantial issues with the Clinton Presidency but there are millions of people who still remember the 90's fondly.

 

[gcubed]

It's weird seeing some of these huge Bernie supporters on Facebook talking about how inspired they are right now and are excited to vote for Hillary. A week ago they were posing dank memes about how corrupt Hillary is. I guess Bernie's words really got to them.

The bump she gets is going to be unreal.

Not to throw shade but when you have no political knowledge and your first experience is Bernie Sanders, you are going to take some time to actually learn... Something. These people only hear in passing negativity around Clinton but were never invested to make any kind of knowledgeable decision on their own. They are slowly learning.

The fact that the RNC was filled with hate and fear versus the DNC only makes this a starker difference

 

[thestopsign]

The issue with Hillary bringing up tax returns is Trump can just keep going "SPEECHES SPEECHES" over and over again (thanks Bernie).

The public won't get that they aren't equal.

Is she legally able to release those speeches anyways? I've wondered that since they might be owned by the individual companies/organizations, I'm not sure how that works though.

Anyways there is one of her speeches released that you can always point to, not that it does much good.

 

[HylianTom]

Clinton’s Campaign Is Trying A Lot Harder With Hispanic Media Than Trump’s Is

PHILADELPHIA ― Since getting out of Cleveland, Univision is suddenly getting its calls returned.

“It’s night and day,” Lourdes Torres, senior vice president politics and special projects for Univision News, said of the shift from the Republican National Convention to the Democratic event now underway in Pennsylvania.

During the GOP convention in Ohio last week, Torres said, Univision wasn’t able to secure interviews with top convention speakers. Its attempts to reach the Donald Trump campaign went into a “black hole.” By comparison, Torres said, Univision executives met privately Monday with a top Hillary Clinton official, and campaign manager Robby Mook has been interviewed on the network.

Univision and Telemundo also landed the first solo interviews with Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), Clinton’s running mate. Both interviews were conducted in Spanish and aired as the convention kicked off Monday.

It’s up for debate whether Kaine’s fluency alone will influence Latino voters. But the Clinton campaign signaled through Monday’s bookings that it considers Spanish-language television a priority. The Atlantic even wondered last week if Univision could swing the presidential election, given its deep reach into the Hispanic community.

Hell. Yeah.

 

[pigeon]

Point taken, but I was under the impression that if you isolated Bernie's 18-29 yo voters that they reflected the diverse Dem coalition pretty well. Is that not true?

Demographics are complicated. Bernie underperformed among people of color overall and overperformed among 18-29, so among young PoC he did better than among PoC but still very poorly. For example, generally Bernie lost young AAs by double digits. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...y-clinton-democrats-race-racial-divide-213948)

Here's 538 on this a bit: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features...e-states-that-look-like-the-democratic-party/

Combining the data, I would say that if you took all the Sanders voters and put them in a room, that room is significantly whiter than the Democratic electorate as a whole. Mostly by virtue of having much fewer black people, but also somewhat fewer Hispanics (I can't speculate on Asian-Americans).

If you then let everybody who would happily switch to Hillary out of the room, you're going to get a very white group indeed.

 

[maabus1999]

It's weird seeing some of these huge Bernie supporters on Facebook talking about how inspired they are right now and are excited to vote for Hillary. A week ago they were posing dank memes about how corrupt Hillary is. I guess Bernie's words really got to them.

The bump she gets is going to be unreal.

The DNC last night gave him his moment during the roll call and the emotion showed it. I think a lot of people who watched that portion probably began to see that most of the "complaints" have been straight political hyperbole and will move forward from here in a more unified manner.

 

[BlackClouds]

I kinda doubt Obama is going to bodyslam Trump by name, and he probably shouldn't. As noted, Trump craves attention and no one mentioning him by name is probably giving him stress. Obama is not a pugilist. He has always appealed to our better angels and so he will talk about what's at stake and Hillary's qualification for his job. He was her boss after all.

Leave the muckraking to pit fighters like Warren.

In politics,Obama absolutely is a pugilist.Trump doesn't want this work.

 

[Teggy]

Even Shaun King is going to vote for Hillary now

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ele...rump-voting-hillary-clinton-article-1.2726614

People comin' round.

I applaud him for doing it, but that article is funny in that it is "Hillary is terrible and the election was totally rigged, but Trump is the worst."

 

[HK-47]

So I have been on news blackout, how is the convention going?

 

[maabus1999]

The issue with Hillary bringing up tax returns is Trump can just keep going "SPEECHES SPEECHES" over and over again (thanks Bernie).

The public won't get that they aren't equal.

Speeches worked for Bernie due to authenticity and supporting the little guy. Trump does not have that effect on anyone outside of his core supporters.

 

[TestOfTide]

I think I may have finally done it guys. I convinced my Hillary Hating Mother to vote for Hillary.

The easy part was done weeks ago. She already hated Trump and knew he was being divisive as well as an asshole, so convincing her to not vote Trump wasn't that hard.

The harder part was convincing her to vote for Hillary. Oddly enough, the wiki leaks crap made that part easier. All I had to do was explain Russia's blatant involvement and tell her "Don't think of it as voting for Clinton. Think of it as giving as firm a rejection of Trump as you can. Think of it as you rejecting Putin blatantly pressing his finger on US politics. And think of it as you telling the GOP that they need to stop with the hateful social comservatism." (She has for a while been a reliable GOP voter who never voted for Obama, but she was never a social conservative).

Unfortunately we live in MA so the only thing it is going to affect is the popular vote total. But I'll take any victory I can towards the goal of Trump losing in a popular vote landslide.

 

[Plinko]

Joe Biden on Morning Joe is pretty amazing.

Great idea: Once Biden is out of office, replace Scarborough with Biden.

The issue with Hillary bringing up tax returns is Trump can just keep going "SPEECHES SPEECHES" over and over again (thanks Bernie).

The public won't get that they aren't equal.

"Wow, Donald...for somebody who claims to love the free market so much, I find it bizarre how you want to restrict the amount of money people are willing to pay for speeches. You're in favor of price caps now? That seems a bit socialist, no?"

*Crowd applauds*

 

[BotoxAgent]

wow, Trump's excuse before was that he couldn't release his taxes because he was still being audited. What a sack of shit

 

[balladofwindfishes]

So I have been on news blackout, how is the convention going?

Started off rough. Lots of booing, chants for Bernie, stuff like that. Eventually they calmed down and Michelle Obama gave one of the best speeches of the last few years. Warren then spoke and gave a usual Warren speech. Then Bernie gave the speech of his life at one last huge rally, and put his full support behind Hillary. Everyone, even Hillary delegates, held signs for Bernie and chanted his name. It was great. Lots of unity, lots of tears (the good kind).

Yesterday roll call went smoothly, Bernie had Vermont go last and made a motion to ignore the rules and delegate count and unanimously declare Hillary the candidate. The kids who were booing the day before stormed out to protest and were never heard from again. There were lots of decent speeches in between, Howard Dean was great, then Bill Clinton gave an amazing speech (mostly ad libbed) to roaring applause.

So it's been going great so far.

Biden, Kaine and Obama are tonight, so it should bring the house down.

 

[Plinko]

Not sure if posted yet, but from the same guy I posted day 1 numbers from yesterday.

"Overnight rating for night 2 of the DNC beat comparable night of the RNC by 30%. 18.2 last night versus 14.0 last Tuesday"

And this is including the fact that Fox News isn't showing it? If so, that's pretty big.

As for Trump and his taxes, I put the over/under on Hillary mentioning this during their economic debate at 15 times.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

I applaud him for doing it, but that article is funny in that it is "Hillary is terrible and the election was totally rigged, but Trump is the worst."

It's as honest and hopeful an argument as you're going to get from people who think the same way. They literally don't believe anything she says, so there's no way she's going to get them to "trust" her over the next few months. The only way to really win them over is for her to be elected and just do the things she says she's going to do. (Or not do.)

So it's down to an impassioned and clear-eyed anti-Trump vote.

 

[Hopfrog]

And this is including the fact that Fox News isn't showing it? If so, that's pretty big.

As for Trump and his taxes, I put the over/under on Hillary mentioning this during their economic debate at 15 times.

"Fair and balanced" Fox aren't doing coverage like the other networks? Imagine that.

 

[TestOfTide]

The issue with Hillary bringing up tax returns is Trump can just keep going "SPEECHES SPEECHES" over and over again (thanks Bernie).

The public won't get that they aren't equal.

She can respond by saying "We aren't talking about speeches. We are talking about the fact that as far as I and the American people are concerned, someone that doesn't pay their fair share in taxes doesn't deserve to run our country."

She could even troll him by saying "What's wrong? Are you afraid of your facade of wealth being revealed as a sham?"

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I'm starting to think they shut down the planned daily DNC leaks because too many people were starting to ask too many questions and making too many connections. It didn't go over how they expected (the Democrats still managed unity) and now people are looking into Russian and Trump connections and the whole thing is looking like a backfire.

I really want a connection to be found. Find it in October though, so Pence can't take over the campaign if Trump is forced to resign.

He didn't even offer to release the returns if she releases her speeches, so you know he's hiding something juicy.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

She can respond by saying "We aren't talking about speeches. We are talking about the fact that as far as I and the American people are concerned, someone that doesn't pay their fair share in taxes doesn't deserve to run our country."

She could even troll him by saying "What's wrong? Are you afraid of your facade of wealth being revealed as a sham?"

She can quote Cuban and say she pays more in taxes than he makes. Would drive him nuts.

 

[hipsterpants]

The Dems need to hammer him on this Russia stuff. This is the kind of thing that could truly keep other Republicans from voting for him.

WikiLeaks done goofed.

 

[sangreal]

The issue with Hillary bringing up tax returns is Trump can just keep going "SPEECHES SPEECHES" over and over again (thanks Bernie).

The public won't get that they aren't equal.

Trump disclosed millions in speaking fees. Mostly to a pyramid scheme company he denies knowing anything about. I doubt he is eager to release those transcripts either

 

[Farmboy]

Started off rough. Lots of booing, chants for Bernie, stuff like that. Eventually they calmed down and Michelle Obama gave one of the best speeches of the last few years. Warren then spoke and gave a usual Warren speech. Then Bernie gave the speech of his life at one last huge rally, and put his full support behind Hillary. Everyone, even Hillary delegates, held signs for Bernie and chanted his name. It was great. Lots of unity, lots of tears (the good kind).

Yesterday roll call went smoothly, Bernie had Vermont go last and made a motion to ignore the rules and delegate count and unanimously declare Hillary the candidate. The kids who were booing the day before stormed out to protest and were never heard from again. There were lots of decent speeches in between, Howard Dean was great, then Bill Clinton gave an amazing speech (mostly ad libbed) to roaring applause.

So it's been going great so far.

Biden, Kaine and Obama are tonight, so it should bring the house down.

Quoted for being a great summary for anyone who may have missed it. 👍

 

[TheLaughingStock]

Those are real problems though. I really do hope they address each of them in length rather than ignoring them.

Only the first two are real problems.

 

[Brinbe]

Trump's losing it.... Holy shit. He's talking on CNN right now and he has NOTHING. Retreading old material.

 

[Owzers]

Trump is a mess. Not enough flags on the democratic stage. It looks like the media killed his puppy.

edit: I do my best not to hate this person, but here we are.

 

[Maxim726X]

I'm shocked that as of today, Trump is winning Florida.

What did the polling look like on election day in 2012? Was it close?

 

[TumblingHippo]

Trump looks like he's out of energy and out of breath with his current news conference.

 

[ampere]

Clinton’s Campaign Is Trying A Lot Harder With Hispanic Media Than Trump’s Is

Hell. Yeah.

Having someone major as part of the campaign who is fluent in Spanish is the future of American politics. Hispanic population is going to keep growing rapidly

I'm glad Hillary chose someone who could speak Spanish

I applaud him for doing it, but that article is funny in that it is "Hillary is terrible and the election was totally rigged, but Trump is the worst."

Oh, it's totally childish, but if that's the angle he wants to take, he can take it as long as he's voting D in November

 

[Roland_Gunner]

Howard Dean was great, then Bill Clinton gave an amazing speech (mostly ad libbed) to roaring applause.

Very small thing but Clinton doesn't really ad lib lines. For a big speech like this he'll go through literally dozens of drafts. So there's tons of stuff that gets cut out but its still in his head. Clinton then feels out the room and puts back in the stuff he thinks they'll respond to. Bill Clinton: Fancy talking dude.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I'm shocked that as of today, Trump is winning Florida.

What did the polling look like on election day in 2012? Was it close?

It'll calm down. Hillary was coming off of a terrible news cycle and the RNC. The DNC bump should help erase a lot of that, and bring her back to normal.

 

[Maxim726X]

It'll calm down. Hillary was coming off of a terrible news cycle and the RNC. The DNC bump should help erase a lot of that, and bring her back to normal.

Man I hope so, starting to really get concerned.

I know that we really shouldn't start taking polling seriously before the end of August, but the bump he got was tremendous... Too large to just completely dissipate.

 

[The Lamonster]

The Dems need to hammer him on this Russia stuff. This is the kind of thing that could truly keep other Republicans from voting for him.

WikiLeaks done goofed.

Dems are all about missing opportunities and not attacking when they should. Don't get your hopes up.

 

[Brinbe]

Holy shit, what a loser.

Now he's deflecting badly. It's not China, you orange dumbass.

 

[Plumbob]

Dems are all about missing opportunities and not attacking when they should. Don't get your hopes up.

I imagine this will come up this weekend, not during the DNC.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Sounds like he was yelling all night