Better pray for 2020 then.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT8| No, Donald. You don't.
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Better pray for 2020 then.
Basileus777
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First we need to pray that the GOP won't pick up 10 Senate seats in 2018.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Yeah, this is an extreme concern of mine right now. The first openly dictatorial GOP candidate ran as the Manchurian candidate while being the dumbest person alive and will still probably only lose by 5 to 7 points despite good economic luck for the Democrats. The next white nationalist candidate that the GOP runs will most likely be 10x the candidate Trump is and know how to destroy the Republic.
But I now feel more confident about the union not failing in 2016 at least!
By 2020 Hillary would've made the SC a 5-4 liberal court and most likely also replaced all the older Dem appointed Justices as well.
It won't be so bad if we lose 2020, because we will have the SC cockblocking the republicans for decades.
Basileus777
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It would be horrible because it'd be a GOP President with a GOP dominated Congress. They could actually get rid of the ACA for starters.
And Hillary isn't appointing that many Justices in one term.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I'm pretty sure a Trump like candidate would try to arrest the SC and seize dictatorial power if they were elected in 2020.
I honestly don't think this can happen in our system.
That watch could actually be a bit of a minor scandal if anyone actually cared what he was wearing. They've been getting some rather unpleasant headlines here in Michigan lately.
aspiegamer
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Hush! I'm trying to enjoy my hopium! Republicans are indeed setting the bar so damn low for themselves that anyone who can go 5 minutes without insulting someone will look like a god-tier candidate in 2020. The odds of the country holding its shit together in proper order for another 4 straight years isn't great, alas. FDR-Truman was the last 4-term party rule, right? And that entire run was extremely unusual circumstances.
This is why SCOTUS needs to be locked up. It would save us from horrible social policy in a Republican administration, at least.
I don't think Trump would arrest SC justices, but I definitely think that he'd just ignore what the court decides. We'd end up in a constitutional crisis with Trump just saying "Let SCOTUS back up their decision."
I have faith in the system, even if that sounds odd these days.
By then the ACA will benefit far too many people, including a huge chunk of Republican voters, to repeal it.
Hell, the only reason they've tried to repeal it so many times is because they know it won't lead to an actual repeal.
I come I never seen this until a few days ago?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZrNFgJeSOw&index=13&list=FLj3E8e54ki3GBZEd1r1MBCg
It fits well for tonight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZrNFgJeSOw&index=13&list=FLj3E8e54ki3GBZEd1r1MBCg
It fits well for tonight.
VendettaRed07
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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That hug was so cute, omg.
whyamihere
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Andrew Jackson:
It has happened to the system before. The system survived, but I honestly don't find it all that unlikely that it can happen again with a person like Trump.
I went into the shop again, I had forgotten once again that the shop is considered a political donation and I can't buy.
Gutteeeedddd
Black Mamba
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So i watched the speech by Obama again, partially because it's simply amazing but also because I think Obama cracked the election code, tonight.
Yes, Obama had to defend himself a little. And yes he had to prop up Hillary. And yes he had to attack Trump directly. And all of this was done extremely well. But there's one part of the speech that I think will ultimately become what the election is about.
Let me quote the part I want to talk about:
And it hit me. This was Obama's JFK moment. Think about how much this reads like "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."
Obama is making a complete refutation of "Trumpism," or the notion that we need to look up to one person to save our nation. He's saying even if you want to believe the other side is right, that we're no longer great...that America has always been resolute because it figures it out together, side by side, through hard work and perseverance. We do not look to a single savior to do it for us.
And this is how the Democrats need to frame this election going forward. For weeks, the Dems have been trying to figure how to attack Trump. His offensive remarks? His incoherent and nonsensical positions? His lack of policy? And yes, on some level they have to attack all of it and then some. But there needs to be a unifying message and Obama figured it out.
And yes, I'm aware of the "stronger together" and all that...and it's the right message, but Obama framed it the way that can be really meaningful.
Yes. This is it. Americanism, at its core, is about change from within. For all the good we talk about FDR's New Deal or LBJ's Great Society, none of that happens with them without the grassroots, the people, the hard work it took to get there. Lincoln is nothing without the abolitionists.
So even if you think America isn't great, anymore. Even if you think we need to be saved...we DO NOT ask someone else to save us. If we need saving we do it ourselves. We get in the mud and do the hard work that needs to be done. And that is what makes Americanism great, what makes us great.
So if you want to drive up turn-out in this election, you talk about his incompetence, You talk about his hate. His disgust. And it will work.
But to the actual swing voters or persuadable voters. The suburban husbands and wives who are unsure, you ask them point blank. Are you willing to be ruled over or are you going to help take the reigns and rule together?
Just my 2 cents.
Yes, Obama had to defend himself a little. And yes he had to prop up Hillary. And yes he had to attack Trump directly. And all of this was done extremely well. But there's one part of the speech that I think will ultimately become what the election is about.
Let me quote the part I want to talk about:
And it hit me. This was Obama's JFK moment. Think about how much this reads like "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."
Obama is making a complete refutation of "Trumpism," or the notion that we need to look up to one person to save our nation. He's saying even if you want to believe the other side is right, that we're no longer great...that America has always been resolute because it figures it out together, side by side, through hard work and perseverance. We do not look to a single savior to do it for us.
And this is how the Democrats need to frame this election going forward. For weeks, the Dems have been trying to figure how to attack Trump. His offensive remarks? His incoherent and nonsensical positions? His lack of policy? And yes, on some level they have to attack all of it and then some. But there needs to be a unifying message and Obama figured it out.
And yes, I'm aware of the "stronger together" and all that...and it's the right message, but Obama framed it the way that can be really meaningful.
Yes. This is it. Americanism, at its core, is about change from within. For all the good we talk about FDR's New Deal or LBJ's Great Society, none of that happens with them without the grassroots, the people, the hard work it took to get there. Lincoln is nothing without the abolitionists.
So even if you think America isn't great, anymore. Even if you think we need to be saved...we DO NOT ask someone else to save us. If we need saving we do it ourselves. We get in the mud and do the hard work that needs to be done. And that is what makes Americanism great, what makes us great.
So if you want to drive up turn-out in this election, you talk about his incompetence, You talk about his hate. His disgust. And it will work.
But to the actual swing voters or persuadable voters. The suburban husbands and wives who are unsure, you ask them point blank. Are you willing to be ruled over or are you going to help take the reigns and rule together?
Just my 2 cents.
I would like that.
That got locked fairly quickly.
Though I did find it amusing that the OP shit on the Marshall plan for excluding communists from the ballot box (btw, is that true?) then in another thread demanded that Fox News be banned for hate speech.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Let's say you're a GOP voter that hates liberalism (the concept) in general and doesn't care that much about democracy (and there's lots of these):
Trump was the worst possible NeoNazi candidate due to his stupidity and emotional instability and misogyny and the Democrats had good luck in 2016. And Trump loses by only 7 points.
I mean, you have to be feeling fairly confident about nominating another Trump-like candidate and possibly winning.
Voysa Reezun
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To play devil's advocate, that was back when SCOTUS didn't have near the power that it does now.
It was also (and I know that you know this) in reference to fucking over the Cherokee people, which no one gave a shit about then, but of which like persecution would be a big fucking deal in America today, even considering how racist we are.
What happens if he loses by like double digits? Would the GOP even bother to nominate another trump like candidate? I think Hilary may be able to get a lot more electoral votes than usual with a seven point win depending on what states she wins which may scare the GOP.
Aw shucks I missed that thread.
I've never heard of it. I mean, yeah, part of the Marshall Plan's goal was to prevent the Soviets from gaining more influence over Western Europe, but I don't recall there being any such precondition for accepting the aid It looks like the Soviets believed it to be the case though. Plus there was Operation Gladio.
I've never heard of it. I mean, yeah, part of the Marshall Plan's goal was to prevent the Soviets from gaining more influence over Western Europe, but I don't recall there being any such precondition for accepting the aid It looks like the Soviets believed it to be the case though. Plus there was Operation Gladio.
DataStream
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I feel like Obama might have single-handedly won the election tonight.
It has power due to custom, precedent and tradition. I don't really trust Trump to not break it. Though I would trust Republicans to impeach him if he did.
And there were Northern Whigs actually did give a shit about it - mostly the conscience Whigs. Whigs were generally opposed to territorial expansion and kicking out Native Americans.
aspiegamer
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I don't personally think that things are particularly dire for Democrats at this point, so it's not like this is some watershed moment that will massively change everything. That said, it kicked the broader Obama coalition who weren't previously paying much attention into gear, and some momentum should come back where the campaign had gotten extremely stale in May-June. A memorable moment, yes, and some insurance for people who were starting to panic for various reasons. A reminder of what the situation is.
Can't see him busting it up, but I can imagine Trump being the kind of guy to
Regardless of if he were ever impeached over screwing with an entire branch of government, it would be quite the crisis.
yep. the way she came out and pointed at him actually felt real and meant a lot considering the long history they've had at this point. and hell, you will find posts from me from almost a decade ago absolutely detesting her campaign. i'm not a 'fan', but i am excited to vote for her and i do want her to be president.
titiklabingapat
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When you put it that way it's kinda amazing. Some of us here have been on GAF for almost a decade now.
Gah, I've been here since 2007. Amazing times.
StopMakingSense
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That and the reaction shots of Bill to Obama's speech, considering the stories of how the two get along.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
06-06-2004, plus a few years on the old forum.
Time just keeps on going and not slowing down.
Anihawk has been here forever too (it's easy to tell based on the userid)
Oh, and that hug looked legit. That could not have been fake, somehow they managed to move past everything in that primary.
shinra-bansho
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The DNC has been pretty heartwarming.
I mean...
Kawaiiiii ~~~~ uguuu ~~~
The RNC on the other hand was frankly just gross.
I mean...
Kawaiiiii ~~~~ uguuu ~~~
The RNC on the other hand was frankly just gross.
after obama said she was more qualified than himself or bill, bill said something, but i couldn't read it. it looks like after that, he said, 'i love it.'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLp8ylrIk58#t=16m35s
aspiegamer
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Speak for yourself! Trump trying to kiss Pence was a moment worthy of pillow talk. Great fanfic material! And look at the incredible parental skills of Trump, showing off the body of his daughter while in front of an audience of millions of potential breeding partners.
Spiritreaver
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Reading comments posted on GOP social media pages is so cathartic. Paul Ryan's FB and Twitter was a mess today. All those "This isn't the party I stood for..." comments. Oh man.
Black Republican
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she wasnt even a trump fan AT ALL originally! shes only stanning for TV time and $$$
Neodiablo22
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Google Trends:
19,000% spike in searches for malarkey just after Joe Biden's #DNCinPHL speech
19,000% spike in searches for malarkey just after Joe Biden's #DNCinPHL speech
What is wrong with these people
User 463088
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IDK who Clout is, but that poll is an improvement for Hillary from them, fyi.
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