balladofwindfishes
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Is Flake even going to be around to vote for this? His father just died this morning.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house
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Is Flake even going to be around to vote for this? His father just died this morning.
Per CNN this morning, McConnell aides expected him to decide on timing of the vote after lunch today. But it sounds like the "no's" are still being courted into this evening. Would be an interesting tell if McConnell put a stake in the ground on voting without knowing whether Trump can flip "no's" tonight.
I'm really curious to see the next Gov campaign - you've got people in the administration getting charged with manslaughter over Flint and Snyder is going to be campaigning on his accomplishments?
Edit: nvm he's term limited. Still will be bad for Rs
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Trump can probably flip the No's sadly.
Would it be better or worse if Senate Rs blocked from the bill from even getting to the floor? I feel like that would just be like when Ryan pulled the first floor vote on AHCA: embarrassing at the time, but it still keeps the bill alive for future negotiations. A floor vote with a majority of the Senate opposing the bill would be a much more public embarrassment and do more to kill its future prospects, no?
That's what people said all along, since ACA was passed.
According to reports he spoke to Lee yesterday so he failed there.
balladofwindfishes
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I'm wondering what they even expect Trump to do?
Johnson and Lee both oppose it for reasons that can only be fixed by delaying the vote. They don't really oppose the bill, just the process. They're likely the easiest to flip to yes, but it involves risking a vote in late July.
Heller and Collins are solid nos with little room for negotiation (unless they want to end their careers in shame)
Rand Paul is a stubborn mule, but could possibly be flipped, but he seems to need a lot of convincing
Ted Cruz wants everything under the sun. He can be flipped, but at what cost to...
The leftover moderates that are very unconformable and are seriously wondering if their seat is in trouble if they vote for this
Then you have the insurance lobby breathing down their necks to not pass this. Healthcare industry lobbies breathing down their necks to not pass this. AARP. Conservative groups. Pretty much every major special interest group in Washington.
He spoke to Rand over the weekend as well.
Of all the things I'd be hand wringing about, this is at the bottom of the list. Trump has zero legislative negotiating skills or leverage with Congress, he's the literal definition of an empty suit. They may flip, but will have nothing to do with Trump.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
If Paul flips though he will bring his group with him I assume. They are meeting soonish.
Rand meeting is at POTUS request, per person close to senator.
https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/879724046740574208
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
So basically everything the House went through before they still passed the bill.
The 800 jobs weren't really created in that sense of the term, they were merely stripped from Michigan workers and shifted to Tennessee.
balladofwindfishes
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And also everything they went through before it failed.
It's looking a lot more like the time it failed.
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Trump couldn't flip a goddamn pancake without slapping himself in his own flabby, miserable face with the spatula.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
But they still ended up passing a similar bill.
balladofwindfishes
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If this fails, are they really going to work on a new bill into almost October? Along with avoiding a shut down?
The fact that interstate competition leads to a massive race to the bottom really doesn't help the USA in the long run. Good for Tennessee I guess, but it's at the cost of better jobs elsewhere in the country.
Yep. Packaged deal. Remember.
metalslimer
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I'm actually starting to think there is a decent shot they let this die for now. Seems to be almost a toss up now
Im still leaning toward a last minute push with senators saying they have no choice but to "save" healthcare and they don't have time to wait for fixes
Im still leaning toward a last minute push with senators saying they have no choice but to "save" healthcare and they don't have time to wait for fixes
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Why not? They have been wanting this for years.
balladofwindfishes
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They also have lots of other stuff they want, and this is eating up their entire calendar.
aspiegamer
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I'm baffled as to why the Senate put forward a bill that, despite their writing it from scratch, obviously never had enough promised votes. All the people openly opposing now were surely on the fence or opposed while it was being drafted. Their opposition was 100% expected and anticipated but the leadership still wanted to shove a piece of shit out for a vote? Poor form, Republicans.
I take at least a tiny bit of comfort that there's opposition from Rs in states with the medicaid expansion actually giving a shit about hundreds of thousands of their own voters being directly impacted. It's a rare case of Senators actually representing the state they're from and the specific circumstances they face. We just really need an announce on a delayed vote. PLEASE. Then I can stop stressing over this. For now. Until they rewrite it again in 2 months after people have forgotten about it again. Sigh. Oh, wait, they have to actually come up with a budget, lol. It's actually downhill for congress from here, somehow.
Hopefully this is the start of what costs the GOP the House in '18, and we can only pray they don't even have an Obamacare repeal to show for it.
I take at least a tiny bit of comfort that there's opposition from Rs in states with the medicaid expansion actually giving a shit about hundreds of thousands of their own voters being directly impacted. It's a rare case of Senators actually representing the state they're from and the specific circumstances they face. We just really need an announce on a delayed vote. PLEASE. Then I can stop stressing over this. For now. Until they rewrite it again in 2 months after people have forgotten about it again. Sigh. Oh, wait, they have to actually come up with a budget, lol. It's actually downhill for congress from here, somehow.
Hopefully this is the start of what costs the GOP the House in '18, and we can only pray they don't even have an Obamacare repeal to show for it.
They're going to catch even more shit from the media and the general public if they put making a budget on hold to try to keep health care running forever. Plus that's a thing that's entirely indefensible, since any reasonable person can mention that they can work on it more at their leisure later and not try to force it via reconciliation.
Ignatz Mouse
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There's no bill that can get all the votes they need. They are too divided. I think this is McConnell's best attempt at getting most everybody, and then trying to buy-off the holdouts. And if it fails, on to Tax Cuts.
Time is a flat circle
Joe Shlabotnik
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Yes, and this will certainly come up again even if it's tabled for now. BUT, part of the reason the House bill sneaked through last time was because everyone assumed it was not coming up again. That trick only really works once. At a minimum, opposition will be watching for another try from the Senate this time. Another reason is that the House reps could still consider the second bill a "punt" into the Senate and then it's out of their hands. Anything that comes back from the Senate now is up for a go/no-go vote.
I'm not saying a second try from the Senate can't pass. But it's not going to be as "easy" as the second House bill this time, either.
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Snowman Prophet of Doom
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We've got a Schrodinger's Healthcare Bill now. No way of knowing whether or not it'll pass until an attempt is made.
I live in a state with two Dem Senators, so I feel pretty much impotent to do anything about this.
I live in a state with two Dem Senators, so I feel pretty much impotent to do anything about this.
Futurevoid
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Good. Eat up all of the time in the world = less shit gets done.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
.@JohnCornyn on motion to proceed vote: "Looking more like tomorrow, right now."
https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/879734741079121921
https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/879734741079121921
ShadowSwordmaster
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For some reason, this seems odd to me. Does this mean they have the votes or does this mean that they will vote on it without knowing they have the votes or not?
Poodlestrike
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It means they don't have the votes today so they're pushing to back in the hope that they'll have them tomorrow. If they don't you'll likely see one more delay. If this vote goes back to Friday the bill is dead until at least after the recess.
Bonen no Max'd
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Pretty surprised to see Warren say this.
balladofwindfishes
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I figured if they were going to hold a vote, it'd be on Wednesday. Leaves room for the House to do House stuff through Thursday and Friday.
If they had the votes, they'd do the vote today. They're hoping they'll have the votes by tomorrow
Which seems really aggressive of a time line for the 10+ deals they have to make.
If they had the votes, they'd do the vote today. They're hoping they'll have the votes by tomorrow
Which seems really aggressive of a time line for the 10+ deals they have to make.
ShadowSwordmaster
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Good point.
Were they going to vote on this originally on Thursday or was that just a rumor? I wouldn't think they want a repeat of last time when they held a vote just to watch it fail.
ShadowSwordmaster
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This is what I was thinking more or less. It seems very aggressive for them to do this even with the time they have.
IggyChooChoo
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Don't worry, he means a South Carolina accent, like the one Aziz Ansari has.
Also lol Kentucky.
Autodidact
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All class, all the time, these folks.
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If you guys think Cruz and Paul will not vote yes when they literally are the last ones standing in the way of getting rid of Obamacare, you don't get it. They will vote no only if MANY others are voting no, other than that they will vote yes at the last minute after having gotten the spotlight on themselves. Neither Paul nor Cruz is afraid of backlash from their constituents for getting rid or Obamacare, so they will vote Yes.
Basileus777
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The obvious difference is that the GOP had a much larger margin for error in the House because their majority there is significantly larger. They can't lose a single vote after Heller and Collins.
TestOfTide
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Exactly. And for anyone who doesn't believe this, Mark Sandford explicitly said that he only voted for the house bill in the hopes that the Senate version would be much better.
Paul Ryan already said he would put whatever the Senate passes up to an up or down vote in the house, which means the senators know that if they vote for this piece of shit bill, they are stuck with it.
metalslimer
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I don't think anyone doubts that those two fucks would cave if needed. The question is if the rest of the nos can hold. So theoretically there is less work for McConnell to do because he can lose two votes and not worry about Cruz and Paul torpedoing the bill.
It's not even accurate... He wanted single payer too.
It would be like blaming Sanders if his 'free college' idea didn't get passed if he was president. Of fucking course it wouldn't, but it's not his fault. That pesky Congress, always getting in the way.
Why? She's right.
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