Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Without the margin for error.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house
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Without the margin for error.
Bonen no Max'd
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I mean, no, Obama did not run on single payer or try to pass single payer.
You can say that he'd prefer it but adjusted to political realities, but Obama's 2008 healthcare plan probably would have looked like the ACA but with a public option and no mandate.
More surprised that she just said Democrats should run on single payer.
Macho Madness
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As he got closer and closer to power, his stance on it got weaker. When he got to be president, he didn't even try.
I am surprised he also didn't say because she didn't have an Indian sounding name (that she uses) and looks white instead of Indian.
Ether_Snake
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Right, the real threat to the bill is from moderate Republicans, they represent moderate constituents who might prefer to keep Obamacare.
Good point. 100 < 435
NYCmetsfan
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in france? I doubt trump goes
and lol at having trump there on bastille day, for everything that represents
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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At least you have reps to contact...
Yes, in France, on our glorious Champs-Elysées
There could be some huge protest if he indeed goes.
More that 24:435 (votes they can lose before losing in the House) is a bigger ratio than 2:100. 5.5% of the House is "marginal" (votes not needed to pass legislation), while only 2% of the Senate is, more than 2.5x the margin for error.
Edit: For fun with Cook PVI, the House is R+5.5 while the Senate is only R+2.
balladofwindfishes
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Yep
With their two nos already locked down, they now have to sway 100% of all Senators
Versus the House, which had a ton of wiggle room with no votes, and even ended up having some no votes to spare.
They should just invite Obama again, just to snub Trump. Could you even imagine how salty that would have made him?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I understand. I just foresee flipping to start happening soon.
Autodidact
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*Cackle* if the bill fails in the Senate but all those giddy little representatives still have their names attached to it. We tried to tell them.
https://twitter.com/TopherSpiro/status/879741767272333312
1: I got a readout from a meeting with Senator Portman this morning. Here's what we know:
2: He wants to vote YES--but he's not there yet. He feels frustrated that his issues aren't being accommodated.
3: He wants funding for opioids and a more generous Medicaid cap. No surprise there. Keep the pressure on!
We really need to step up our game on Portman.
1: I got a readout from a meeting with Senator Portman this morning. Here's what we know:
2: He wants to vote YES--but he's not there yet. He feels frustrated that his issues aren't being accommodated.
3: He wants funding for opioids and a more generous Medicaid cap. No surprise there. Keep the pressure on!
We really need to step up our game on Portman.
balladofwindfishes
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That's now the second senator today that said that McConnell is ignoring his requests
Autodidact
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"Mitch, why don't you ever LISTEN to me anymore? I thought we had something."
Roland_Gunner
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Portman not being a yes is good but the path to getting him there is pretty clear. Use the $188B in savings for medicaid and opioid support. If thats all it takes the bill passes.
KirbYuuYuu
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He walks up, and says Mitch ain't your bitch
Box of Kittens
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There were not even close to enough votes to pass single payer in 2009. Obama trying wouldn't have changed that.
Cesare Borgia
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The funny thing about the opiod thing...senators want money for community centers, basically. But if the bill passes with that 188B used to buy votes...the centers get built, yet your constituents don't have insurance/Medicaid and thus can't even afford treatment at the center. But hey, you built something!
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I'm not understanding this at all unless he doesn't want it passed.
whyamihere
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On a different note, last night I noticed there were no maps of the 1911 Prop 4 map, which gave women the right to vote. It barely passed (50.73% to 49.27%). The suffragettes actually thought they lost because of the crushing defeat in San Fransisco, easily the biggest voter base and a 61.9% loss. It wasn't until the rural counties came in a few days later that they realized they barely won by 3,587 votes!
(Yes = blue, No = red)
(Yes = blue, No = red)
When we talk about single payer, are we talking about the US government becoming the only insurer and Aetna, BCBS, etc. just dissolve? Because that sounds a bit scary. I could see Medicaid being a competitive option available to everyone, but how does that first version happen without mass chaos?
Cruz, yes. Rand Paul is off in his own world, though, and I've read a couple things about how the White House and Senate GOP leadership already factor in that he's more or less a lost cause.
McConnell would lose far more votes over adding a PP amendment to the bill than he would with the bill as is.
Would he?
balladofwindfishes
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Third Strike
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I'm surprised that the rural counties were more progressive than the urban cities back then. But I guess that was a Cali thing.
Roland_Gunner
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Yeah, its gotta be killed in the Senate. Not putting my faith in the House.
balladofwindfishes
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It's not as if he wouldn't have voted 'yes' if it passed his desk, he just approached the situation in what he believed to be a pragmatic fashion.
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Yeah, this supposed amendment reads as a ploy by the Moderate Darlings. They know the bill won't pass, but they get to go, "Look, we would've restored funding to PP! We are bipartisan and moderate and measured and wonderful and #bothsides!" Even as Republicans lose, those two win by bolstering their cred.
If anything, they might've just given us more indication the bill won't pass.
If anything, they might've just given us more indication the bill won't pass.
Collins and Murkowski added a similar amendment to the 2015 repeal bill. Forty-seven Senate Republicans rejected it.
47 > 2
The more worrying thing is how Murkowski will react when that amendment gets killed again. Two years, Collins continued to oppose the whole bill while Murkowski decided to vote for it. Of course everyone knew that the bill was just posturing was never going to become law anyway. But now that her vote actually matters, does she stick to her guns or does she fall in line again?
It would have a mandate. He lied his ass off about that in the primaries.
NYCmetsfan
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It was a west thing. The west was very prosuffragette. The first female reps and senators were from western states
StopMakingSense
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Killing it via a PP amendment is probably the best out the Senate R's have, politically. Gives a lot of people a principled cover to make a stand on, and distract a little bit from the overall shittiness.
balladofwindfishes
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The amendment will never reach the bill, it'll get shot down instantly. You'll probably be able to hear the senate laugh as she proposes it from the White House.
This is Collins and Murkowksi saving their asses, so when it fails, they can go back and say "well, WE tried to get something working, and nobody listened to us"
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Roland_Gunner
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The bill may wind up passing but the idea that this is all kabuki theater has been pretty well discredited in the last couple of days.
balladofwindfishes
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These two senators can't possibly think this amendment will be added to the final bill. This entire process isn't theater, but this move by them is.
Probably, yes. We haven't seen the proposal though.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Planned Parenthood funding has to be in the final bill because of reconciliation rules.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
NEWS!!! Trump is inviting all GOP senators to the White House today for a meeting at 4 p.m.
https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/879755387456684032
https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/879755387456684032
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I guess we have to acknowledge that the Moderate Darlings had to be at least somewhat clever to get that title.
Tangentially, speaking of Moderate Darlings, I expected someone to trudge up to Maine and ask Olympia Snowe how she voted in the election. I guess no one cares about a former Moderate Darling.
Tangentially, speaking of Moderate Darlings, I expected someone to trudge up to Maine and ask Olympia Snowe how she voted in the election. I guess no one cares about a former Moderate Darling.
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