Depends entirely on her ability to speak to economic and middle/working-class "pocketbook" issues. Haven't seen her do that much of all yet. It's also why I've recently grown a lot more interested in Gillibrand. She can fucking nail it on speaking to those issues.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house
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Depends entirely on her ability to speak to economic and middle/working-class "pocketbook" issues. Haven't seen her do that much of all yet. It's also why I've recently grown a lot more interested in Gillibrand. She can fucking nail it on speaking to those issues.
Only a dumbass would trust & rely on Trump's lawyer.
Bonen no Max'd
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Murphy would be super great he built traction for his candidacy, probably my favorite choice right now. Or Keith Ellison, maybe they could do a ticket together
hi shinra
I was pulling for this before but now I'm less sure. Both are strong candidates though.
"Mr. Biden, we have calls incoming from a billion Senators."
Greigor The Fellhand
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up next Pual ryan
RumbleHumble
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Biden would actually be a solid choice
I love Biden but 78 is way too old.
cooljeanius
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Biden will be old in 2020. Actually, for that matter, so will pretty much all the rest of the Dem names being floated. Can't we find anyone young?
Aaron Strife
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Booker, Harris, Gillibrand, Murphy, Duckworth are all pretty young.
Hillary basically pushed back an entire primary field, so adjust expectations accordingly.
Mid-50s and below is generally the sweet spot we'll want to be looking for.
Yeah they all fit.
Carpe Libertatem
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Cory Booker and Kamala Harris are too old? (Among others obviously)
So Pence has a lawyer and so do Jared and Ivanka, and the Donald, but the staff were told not to worry... you know, I usually lawyer up when I have nothing to worry about.
BlastProcessing
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The funniest part is that Pence hired a way better and more prestigious lawyer than Trump was able to get.
He sounded pretty convinced he's not.
I don't think his age will deter him. He also pointed out a few other successful leaders who were quite old without even the benefit of modern medicine.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
This right here. I feel like Gillibrand would be an exponentially better candidate.
Autodidact
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Well, Trump only has experience with slime bag ambulance chasers who know how to yell and settle. Pence and everyone else understand the gravity of the situation and have hired appropriate counsel.
ArkhamFantasy
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Is Mueller the most important person in America right now?
BlastProcessing
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Autodidact
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To be fair, that retirement age comes from a time when people lived much shorter lives. My grandfather, who turns 87 next month, still drives a school bus, has suffered no decline in cognitive ability, and walks better than people twenty years younger. (He's also voted Democratic his entire life.) My grandmother, almost 82 and though not quite as healthy, still has her marbles and health, too.
Aaron Strife
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Yeah it's all relative. Trump is younger than Biden and exponentially more stupid and less healthy.
The problem is "known unknowns" here- at that age people can downturn real fast.
Autodidact
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The Pence thread reminds me that I really, REALLY want some dirt on DeVos. She's involved because of her brother but so far has been spared any damaging leaks. I loathe her and her abhorrent views and want her gone. Unlike some of the other ghouls, I think she could be pressured into resigning because the public already hates her.
Joe Shlabotnik
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This. When you start to go downhill, it can happen a lot faster than a single term.
ArkhamFantasy
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No, he's the only person in the government that denies it.
I don't believe he ever has, I only recall him arguing against it.
He has constantly denied it. Even the hacking is a "could be anybody!" response.
This man is either dimwitted or in deep shit. I can't even fucking tell. Guess that what happens when you're playing 16,000th dimensional chess.
Spoiled Milk
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Real question: haven't people always been like this? Authoritarianism and control are just natural human tendencies.
You don't have to run faster than the bear, just faster than the other campers.
TestOfTide
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This or Gillibrand/Franken.
shinra-bansho
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I don't even have a nickname for Ellison because he's so irrelevant.
Irrellison.
neurosisxeno
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People got displeased by a white woman having the audacity to talk about minority issues. You think a woman of color isn't going to have to walk the worlds most ridiculous tight rope? Harris is going to get all the coded sexist and coded racist language imaginable.
shinra-bansho
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Yes that will do. So Irrellison that we'll just pretend I made that up.
BlastProcessing
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@AriMelber
VP Pence's new private lawyer's experience includes serving as:
Fed prosecutor
Senate Counsel in Iran-Contra
House staffer in Watergate
VP Pence's new private lawyer's experience includes serving as:
Fed prosecutor
Senate Counsel in Iran-Contra
House staffer in Watergate
Whereas Trump's lawyer has experience threatening lawsuits he has no intention of filing and attacking women who claim that Trump sexualy assaulted them.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
If only there would be a person ready to take their place if their health failed.
Because Reagan resigned, right?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Reagan was also a power hungry Republican.
I tend to believe a Democrat like Biden would realize when the time would be to step down.
shinra-bansho
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Biden is old as fuck. Conservative on a bunch of issues. A gaffe machine. Borderline gross with his old man touching but we overlook that. And has run 2.5 failed Presidential campaigns if you include his lead trial balloon with Maureen Crazypants Dowd last year.
Awful idea that I don't know why people are still entertaining.
Awful idea that I don't know why people are still entertaining.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I'm not saying pick Biden. I love him, but I'm not saying that. I just think the ageism in here is ludicrous at times.
I still think Franken would be a shoo-in and Gillibrand would be great.
Leaning toward Harris being a major misstep.
I still think Franken would be a shoo-in and Gillibrand would be great.
Leaning toward Harris being a major misstep.
I'd be fine with Biden, but I tend to agree he's probably too old at this point.
Spoiled Milk
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A sitting president could do a lot of damage before their cognitive decline is proven strongly enough for removal proceedings to begin. I could easily see us ending up in a Mad King scenario.
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