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[Vimes]

Jesus, I leave the country for a week and now I'm so far behind on this nightmare drama that is our lives.

Yeah I took a break from politics to watch The International and my feeling right now is definitely

EDIT: Only using this gif feels kinda flippant. I've been to several protests since November and the Charlotte attack feels like a punch in the gut. The Impeachment March a few weeks ago in my city was interrupted by a bunch of neonazi shit-stirrers from out of town and the cops did fuck all.

 

[TheAbsolution]

I think there might be a slight shift but nothing signifigant sadly. :/

 

[pigeon]

I think GOP politicians explicitly calling Trump out for not doing the right thing might make some impact, but as Bannon says, the people who know Nazis are bad already oppose Trump.

 

[Basileus777]

I don't think people understand neo-Nazis are a real thing. It's like a bogeyman for most people. How could they really exist? Makes it easy to (uh) whitewash.

This is sadly true.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

There was an assassination plot on Rubio?

What in the world is going on in the world this last month

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

I think GOP politicians explicitly calling Trump out for not doing the right thing might make some impact, but as Bannon says, the people who know Nazis are bad already oppose Trump.

I assume the GOP calling out the nazi's for what they are means they believe it can hurt them.

 

[Officerrob]

What exactly would assassinating Rubio accomplish?

 

[FloydtheFathead]

What exactly would assassinating Rubio accomplish?

I have spent the last 5 minutes trying to think this through which is probably a lot longer than anyone in the Venezuelan government has spent on this thought process.

 

[Drkirby]

Yeah I took a break from politics to watch The International and my feeling right now is definitely.

Same, I don't even know how to process what is going on with what is going on in Virginia. It all seemed to develop super quickly.

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

I have spent the last 5 minutes trying to think this through which is probably a lot longer than anyone in the Venezuelan government has spent on this thought process.

a top politician believed to control that country’s security forces began actively discussing a plot to kill the Florida senator last month and may have wanted to use Mexican nationals for the assassination plot,

This might be a key point on one of the things.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Here is a thoughtful take from Chelsea Manning on yesterday's events

Lovely.


Side note: The full twitter thread of Clinton's response is incredible. Down to not saying this isn't America but instead saying thst of we want to say this isn't America we have to prove it

But nice of Chelsea to take it out of context and use this even for more Anti-Clinton nonsense

 

[Valhelm]

What exactly would assassinating Rubio accomplish?

I'm gonna guess Venezuela intelligence has connected him to US efforts to overthrow their government

 

[Teggy]

Even NY Post took a shit on Trump.

 

[FloydtheFathead]

This might be a key point on one of the things.

But... why though? What does that get them for offing Rubio if they were actually planning to use Mexican nationals or whatever?

What does Maduro and company gain is what I'm trying to figure out?

I'm gonna guess Venezuela intelligence has connected him to US efforts to overthrow their government

That would at least make more sense if this were the case.

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

But... why though? What does that get them for offing Rubio if they were actually planning to use Mexican nationals or whatever?

What does Maduro and company gain is what I'm trying to figure out?

Maybe it's not about what they gain in one sense.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Eat shit Micheal. Someone lost their life yesterday.

Just christ and TYT employs this guy...

And people still want to argue they're credible?

 

[Aaron Strife]

I think GOP politicians explicitly calling Trump out for not doing the right thing might make some impact, but as Bannon says, the people who know Nazis are bad already oppose Trump.

This is true, but I think there's a broader problem where people can't (or don't want to) distinguish "you hold an opposing political view" from "holy shit you are actually a Nazi." Especially a lot of the white supremacist groups know this, that's how you get terms like alt right, race realist, white nationalist etc that won't immediately tip off someone who isn't paying attention.

Further that, I think for a lot of people it really is you literally have to be running around doing the Nazi salute in front of a swastika, or donning a white hood before they'll actively associate you with those groups. It doesn't matter that the words Richard Spencer and the other chucklefucks say are verbatim Neo-Nazi/KKK talking points, because those are also not terribly far removed from standard GOP bluster.

Perhaps it's a good thing that for the rally in Charlottesville they just abandoned all pretext.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Erin Faulk posted to their Yelp page, you can at least go and vote it up. They check their Yelp.

https://www.yelp.com/biz/red-maple-gelato-and-coffee-bar-burbank-4

It worked

8/13/2017 Hi Erin,
We tried to respond to your original Yelp review, but the public comment we posted disappeared.

Please know that Jim and I, the owners of Red Maple Cafe, were shocked and deeply saddened by what we saw in the image when it was first brought to our attention. We have a zero tolerance policy for hate and that is conveyed to every employee during their training and is also conveyed in our employee manual which every employee receives. They must acknowledge by signature that they have read and understand our policies.

We did investigate the matter and the employee is no longer employed by our company. Anyone who has met Jim and I knows we do not condone hate and that we have worked very hard to build our new business and that we set out from the very beginning to create an environment that is safe and welcoming.

Sadly, once a photo is shared on the web, it is difficult to control it. However, we have been working with the various social media outlets to rectify this when it is brought to our attention.

Please accept our sincere apologies that this event even took place

 

[Diablos]

He's running

Lol Pence gives zero fucks

It has to feel oh so empowering to be Mike Pence. Trump can't fire him.

 

[Nelo Ice]

Anyone else go to a local candlelight vigil for Charlottesville?. Just went to mine and was surprised at the turnout. There were at least 100 people gathered at the local park.

 

[Prof. Bathtub]

Even presidents like TR over a century ago who promoted then-fashionable genteel eugenics could say that lynching was a horrid crime.

 

[Pixieking]

Perhaps it's a good thing that for the rally in Charlottesville they just abandoned all pretext.

I think Charlottesville and the North Korea nuclear tensions will do a lot to help in the long-run. It's natural to just accept a lot of things as they occur, saying "Oh, Trump isn't that bad - don't exaggerate!". And saying, in retaliation, "This is not normal" feels ineffectual. But actual Nazi salutes! Actual WW2 veterans saying this is wrong! Actual self-described Nazis hiding behind "Yeah, but Free Speech!" Actual political analysts saying "Fuck knows what Kim Jong Un is going to do"... These things are solid. They're easier to comprehend, easier to point to, and harder to argue against.

It's harder to live through, no doubt, but all of this is pure political capital for 2018 and 2020 (the murder of Heather Heyer excepted).

 

[JohnTinker]

Yonhap is reporting that North Korea has recalled its ambassadors in other countries abroad to come back to Pyongyang

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Yonhap is reporting that North Korea has recalled its ambassadors in other countries abroad to come back to Pyongyang

What a strategic nightmare.

 

[CrimzonSamurai]

Yonhap is reporting that North Korea has recalled its ambassadors in other countries abroad to come back to Pyongyang

All of them? From all countries?

That's really weird. And ominous.

 

[Teggy]

Huh, kind of thought they had to create their own host a long time ago. Don't know how they didn't run foul of the TOS yet, but good on godaddy for doing the right thing.

GoDaddy
GoDaddy @GoDaddy
Replying to @Amy_Siskind
We informed The Daily Stormer that they have 24 hours to move the domain to another provider, as they have violated our terms of service.
11:24 PM · Aug 13, 2017

Preview of Trumps tweets tomorrow

 

[Spoiled Milk]

the united states is pretty racist, actually

 

[Vimes]

Anyone else go to a local candlelight vigil for Charlottesville?. Just went to mine and was surprised at the turnout. There were at least 100 people gathered at the local park.

I would have gone but I had relatives in town. If FB registration was accurate, my city had multiple vigils with a few hundred people each.

https://twitter.com/ezralevin/status/896889070261080066

 

[Ogodei]

Huh, kind of thought they had to create their own host a long time ago. Don't know how they didn't run foul of the TOS yet, but good on godaddy for doing the right thing.



Preview of Trumps tweets tomorrow

Huh, you would've figured the Daily Stormer would self-host given the nature of what they get up to (as it's not merely a propaganda outlet, it's where a lot of these harassment and recruitment campaigns occur. I'm sure all sorts of vile shit goes down on or related to their boards).

Maybe they'll have to beg for some of that wingnut welfare soon.

Edit: D'oh, didn't read your commentary, sorry for echoing.

 

[newjeruse]

Question: is it a known and acknowledged thing that Nate Silver/538 has kind of become clickbait borderline garbage?

 

[Joe]

Have white-nationalist groups distilled their image and statements over the decades for any legal reasons? Or was it simply for marketing purposes?

 

[skullmuffins]

Huh, kind of thought they had to create their own host a long time ago. Don't know how they didn't run foul of the TOS yet, but good on godaddy for doing the right thing.



Preview of Trumps tweets tomorrow

Did you know that Democrats are the real Nazis? Apparently this loser criminal hack is gonna be on Fox and Friends tomorrow to explain how it really is. (edit: gonna note this guy was in the White House just recently to promote this garbage)

(he absolutely did and it's frikkin' hilarious and pathetic)

 

[Teggy]

Huh, you would've figured the Daily Stormer would self-host given the nature of what they get up to (as it's not merely a propaganda outlet, it's where a lot of these harassment and recruitment campaigns occur. I'm sure all sorts of vile shit goes down on or related to their boards).

Maybe they'll have to beg for some of that wingnut welfare soon.

Edit: D'oh, didn't read your commentary, sorry for echoing.

Yeah, it turns out I was thinking of stormfront, which has been around a lot longer and has their own hosting. They apparently also don't see eye to eye with ds, so they might not offer them a home.

Did you know that Democrats are the real Nazis? Apparently this loser criminal hack is gonna be on Fox and Friends tomorrow to explain how it really is.

Oh yeah, I would not be surprised if we get some "the KKK was started by democrats" tweets tomorrow.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Question: is it a known and acknowledged thing that Nate Silver/538 has kind of become clickbait borderline garbage?

They've been like that for a while. Iirc his plan was to get out of politics after 2012, but I imagine "How much avocado is actually in your Chipotle burrito: a statistical analysis part 73" doesn't drive as much traffic as they'd like.

I expect Nate to be in this game for a long time.

 

[Basileus777]

Question: is it a known and acknowledged thing that Nate Silver/538 has kind of become clickbait borderline garbage?

It was a common topic of discussion last year, but after everyone got burned on election predictions Nate has kind of been forgotten.

I expect Nate to be in this game for a long time.

I wonder how much of it will be on a Disney paycheck. A site that's only relevant one out of every four years can't be very profitable.

 

[kadotsu]

Did you know that Democrats are the real Nazis? Apparently this loser criminal hack is gonna be on Fox and Friends tomorrow to explain how it really is.

Always relevant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BzpVvvhyDo

 

[neurosisxeno]

Did you know that Democrats are the real Nazis? Apparently this loser criminal hack is gonna be on Fox and Friends tomorrow to explain how it really is. (edit: gonna note this guy was in the White House just recently to promote this garbage)

(he absolutely did and it's frikkin' hilarious and pathetic)

Not to mention stacks of unsold books isn't a good sign.

 

[Eusis]

I don't think people understand neo-Nazis are a real thing. It's like a bogeyman for most people. How could they really exist? Makes it easy to (uh) whitewash.

I think I encountered this when mentioning to a co-worker about swastika vandalism in the bathroom and she thought it was kids who didn't know what it meant. Might be true but not in the way she expects (in that most nazis don't know what it originally meant.)

And the timing of this batch? No, there is a bonafide nazi who comes into this store.

EDIT: And fuck Dinesh. Holy shit you want to pull that as literal nazis marched and ran over counter protestors? Get fucked.

 

[Teggy]

I really don't get this. How is this helpful at an anti nazi rally? And this is all that's going to make the news. It really seems there are some real idiots that need to be made unwelcome. I get what antifa is about but their methods can be really counterproductive.

https://mobile.twitter.com/lfrenchnews/status/896950108708888576

 

[kirblar]

I really don't get this. How is this helpful at an anti nazi rally? And this is all that's going to make the news. It really seems there are some real idiots that need to be made unwelcome. I get what antifa is about but their methods can be really counterproductive.

https://mobile.twitter.com/lfrenchnews/status/896950108708888576

It's not. Trash people gonna be trash people, regardless of ideology. The far left just doesn't have any actual power on a systemic level.

 

[Aaron Strife]

It was a common topic of discussion last year, but after everyone got burned on election predictions Nate has kind of been forgotten.



I wonder how much of it will be on a Disney paycheck. A site that's only relevant one out of every four years can't be very profitable.

The problem too is his model is only as good as the polls, and they've had some flubs lately.

I'd say on average polling aggregates have missed about two Senate races every two years. 2010, NV and CO (both predicted for GOP, went Dem). 2012, MT and ND (same). 2014, NC and KS (opposite). 2016, WI and PA (fuck everything goddammit). But no one cares about downballot races so 2016 swing state polls missing the mark on Trump was treated with mass hysteria as if there wasn't precedent for this.

 

[Basileus777]

The problem too is his model is only as good as the polls, and they've had some flubs lately.

I'd say on average polling aggregates have missed about two Senate races every two years. 2010, NV and CO (both predicted for GOP, went Dem). 2012, MT and ND (same). 2014, NC and KS (opposite). 2016, WI and PA (fuck everything goddammit). But no one cares about downballot races so 2016 swing state polls missing the mark on Trump was treated with mass hysteria as if there wasn't precedent for this.

2014 Kansas Senate?

 

[eBay Huckster]

2014 Kansas Senate?

yep, the one where Orman and Roberts were randomly neck-and-neck in the polls (and then Orman lost by 10)

 

[jtb]

Question: is it a known and acknowledged thing that Nate Silver/538 has kind of become clickbait borderline garbage?

Very. I have to admit that I enjoy his Tweets a bit because he hates the Times almost as much as Bill Simmons hates ESPN.

Spoiler

(Almost).

I hate hate hate the 538 politics podcast. It is insufferably bad.

 

[Wag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-lnPk5SFrk

To cheer everyone up, because we need it.

 

[Aaron Strife]

yep, the one where Orman and Roberts were randomly neck-and-neck in the polls (and then Orman lost by 10)

Orman's problem was that the ploy of "I'm totally an Independent guys *wink*" became too obvious. The Democrat should have stayed in as a token candidate so Orman didn't just become a proxy Democrat, but it would have been a long shot no matter what. It was 2014 after all, even Brownback survived.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

Hey, I'm an Australian and I have a question; the fuck is Antifa and why are conservatives fucking obsessed with it?

 

[Teggy]

Holy shit that daily stormer article about the victim is maybe the most disgusting thing I've ever read.

Hey, I'm an Australian and I have a question; the fuck is Antifa and why are conservatives fucking obsessed with it?

They are basically an anti fascist group that goes way back. There are many different chapters/groups around the world. The issue is that there are chapters that use violence, so they have become an effective scapegoat for the right. ie. "why should we denounce nazis if you won't denounce antifa".

 

[Crocodile]

Hey, I'm an Australian and I have a question; the fuck is Antifa and why are conservatives fucking obsessed with it?

Because "BOTH SIDES" and conservatives can't let the Right have a monopoly on political violence or it would expose modern Conservatism for the fraud it mostly is. That isn't to say there aren't those who called themselves Antifa who aren't assholes or n'er-do-wells or committed crimes. But there is no "BOTH SIDES" when it comes to goals, influence, scale or history. One group has tacit support from the federal government. The other does not.

FWIW, I'd never heard about Antifa before the election and I only ever hear about them in the media when they are punching Nazis. It feels like currently there is a limit on how awful they can be given those parameters.

 

[sphagnum]

Hey, I'm an Australian and I have a question; the fuck is Antifa and why are conservatives fucking obsessed with it?

Antifa are socialist/anarchist protestors/activists who prefer to fight fascism with direct action hence they get involved in street brawling and smashing things.

Fascists therefore hate them.