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PoliGAF 2017 |OT6| Made this thread during Harvey because the ratings would be higher

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TheLaughingStock

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kirblar said:
Because people keep voting for racists instead of people trying to improve their quality of life, generally showing that they have a strong preference for the racism! (except when the economy goes into a recession, then they'll panic and elect Dems to save it.)
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The recession in the US was over formally in June 2009 because of the work Republicans put in at the Treasury, Fed, and other parts of the US gov't.
 
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Vixdean

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The thing about the CSR payments is that blocking them doesn't really hurt low income people who are already getting premium subsidies on Obamacare. The insurance companies are statutorily required to provide them to enrollees on the exchange who meet the requirements regardless of whether they are reimbursed for them or not. Of course, what they'll do is raise premiums to compensate for not getting them. But since premium subsidies aren't a fixed value and rise as premiums do, people below the income threshold for premium assistance won't see much of a hit. The people who will get hammered are those on the individual market who don't get any subsidies. That demographic is overwhelmingly Republican/Trump voters, which is why we're seeing a rush by the GOP to fix the damage.
 
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kirblar

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Vixdean said:
The thing about the CSR payments is that blocking them doesn't really hurt low income people who are already getting premium subsidies on Obamacare. The insurance companies are statutorily required to provide them to enrollees on the exchange who meet the requirements regardless of whether they are reimbursed for them or not. Of course, what they'll do is raise premiums to compensate for not getting them. But since premium subsidies aren't a fixed value and rise as premiums do, people below the income threshold for premium assistance won't see much of a hit. The people who will get hammered are those on the individual market who don't get any subsidies. That demographic is overwhelmingly Republican/Trump voters, which is why we're seeing a rush by the GOP to fix the damage.
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Yup. It screws people even harder in states that didn't expand Medicaid.
 
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Vixdean

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TheLaughingStock said:
The recession in the US was over formally in June 2009 because of the work Republicans put in at the Treasury, Fed, and other parts of the US gov'tObama.
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mlclmtckr

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NYCmetsfan said:
give context to these posts
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A member / thought leader / whatever of the so-called dirtbag left who very recently was exposed as a rapist also once posited that the Beautiful Mind guy's opinions and ideas about Russia might have been rooted in his mental illness. His career is now destroyed. But that poster feels that his career should already have been destroyed because he once said that

Game theory models human actions on the presumption that everyone is constantly trying to maximize their potential gain against everyone around them; this is why its most famous example concerns prisoners—isolated people, cut off from all the noncompetitive ties that constitute society. One of its most important theoreticians, John Nash, was also a paranoid schizophrenic, who believed himself to be the target of a vast Russian conspiracy.
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and that his career not ending when he said that is a moral indictment of his political allies.
 
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Fenderputty

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The Technomancer

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mlclmtckr said:
A member / thought leader / whatever of the so-called dirtbag left who very recently was exposed as a rapist also once posited that the Beautiful Mind guy's opinions and ideas about Russia might have been rooted in his mental illness. His career is now destroyed. But that poster feels that his career should already have been destroyed because he once said that



and that his career not ending when he said that is a moral indictment of his political allies.
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I don't know about moral indictment but wowee that's one hell of a shitty take, especially considering valid critiques of game theory exist. People with various mental illnesses come up with academic work all the time, the question of if Nash's schizophrenia did or didn't influence game theory should be secondary to understanding and critiquing why it caught on among wider circles
 
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NYCmetsfan

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mlclmtckr said:
A member / thought leader / whatever of the so-called dirtbag left who very recently was exposed as a rapist also once posited that the Beautiful Mind guy's opinions and ideas about Russia might have been rooted in his mental illness. His career is now destroyed. But that poster feels that his career should already have been destroyed because he once said that
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I searched on twitter.

Yikes.

To give context, its not just being a creep or coming on or creeping in DMs, it was literally domineering and physical/mental coercion of a women to have sex with him when she was in a compromising position (she wasn't familiar with the area where it took place). And even that description sounds tame.
 
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Y2Kev

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He’s not totally wrong. Bush did save the banks and insurance companies.

Does anyone think Trump’s administration would have the werewithal to save merka?
 
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shinra-bansho

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There are no supervillains because we don't live in a dumb comic book and it's a stupid line of discussion.

But I don't know why one would go to such lengths to downplay Putin's actions because his bodycount is probably lower.

Unless one is Donald Trump.

Germany should probably shut up forever. They've got the blood of a Holocaust on their history.
 
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pigeon

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mlclmtckr said:
A member / thought leader / whatever of the so-called dirtbag left who very recently was exposed as a rapist also once posited that the Beautiful Mind guy's opinions and ideas about Russia might have been rooted in his mental illness. His career is now destroyed. But that poster feels that his career should already have been destroyed because he once said that



and that his career not ending when he said that is a moral indictment of his political allies.
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It might have been good for his career to end after that take just because it's earth-shatteringly stupid, Jesus Christ. The best part is actually not even about John Nash, it's where he casts suspicion on the prisoner's dilemma for being about prisoners cut off from "noncompetitive relationships." Which is just about the most backwards and ignorant interpretation of the prisoner's dilemma you could possibly have. This is Creationists talking about evolution level of misunderstanding.
 
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sc0la

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Greigor The Fellhand said:
bumping so you guys dont miss Mueller news.

http://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-trump-russia-matt-tait-michael-flynn-investigation-2017-10
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Making my prediction again. The request made in public “Russia I hope your listening” to jack Hillary’s emails was also made in private as directly to Russian operatives. This expert was consulted so when they could authenticate whatever they were given. Trump and his campaign were too stupid to realize the private server had been offline for sometime at this point and were impossible to get if they didn’t already have them.

They asked for these because they knew they were getting dnc andpodesta emails in advance and what they really wanted was something from the “private server” while she was SOS to “bury her”
 
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studyguy

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https://twitter.com/LauraLitvan/status/920389763261259779
Laura Litvan (@LauraLitvan)
JUST IN: House Freedom Caucus Chair Mark Meadows says Alexander-Murray Obamacare exchange measure is a ‘good start,' applauds their efforts
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What did the HFC sneak in a clause that lets them stomp of the foot of one poor person per day? Where's the win besides their own constituency not eating them alive I guess? Their whole platform is literally making it so they can come back to their constituents and tell them that they now have the freedom to die in the streets from health issues. idk my man.
Or did Meadows just fucking give up.
 
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BoogieWoogie

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studyguy said:
https://twitter.com/LauraLitvan/status/920389763261259779


What did the HFC sneak in a clause that lets them stomp of the foot of one poor person per day? Where's the win besides their own constituency not eating them alive I guess? Their whole platform is literally making it so they can come back to their constituents and tell them that they now have the freedom to die in the streets from health issues. idk my man.
Or did Meadows just fucking give up.
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They need to loop this as a win even though it literally does nothing to change the ACA (supposedly)
 
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AntraxSuicide

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pigeon said:
It might have been good for his career to end after that take just because it's earth-shatteringly stupid, Jesus Christ. The best part is actually not even about John Nash, it's where he casts suspicion on the prisoner's dilemma for being about prisoners cut off from "noncompetitive relationships." Which is just about the most backwards and ignorant interpretation of the prisoner's dilemma you could possibly have. This is Creationists talking about evolution level of misunderstanding.
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He legit thought the point of that exercise is about prisoners!
 
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studyguy

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BoogieWoogie said:
They need to loop this as a win even though it literally does nothing to change the ACA (supposedly)
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At this point the GOP looks like its resolved itself to having 0 legislative victories, just claiming an EO to block CSR payments then formally reissuing those payments through congress is a win...? I mean the people who think he made progress were probably the same people who were already deep in the Trump Kool-Aid. Any other moron knows what the fuck he did.
 
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Teggy

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studyguy said:
https://twitter.com/LauraLitvan/status/920389763261259779


What did the HFC sneak in a clause that lets them stomp of the foot of one poor person per day? Where's the win besides their own constituency not eating them alive I guess? Their whole platform is literally making it so they can come back to their constituents and tell them that they now have the freedom to die in the streets from health issues. idk my man.
Or did Meadows just fucking give up.
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I assume this means he won't vote for it, it's just a good base for the house to add a lot of junk to?

Edit: yeah, don't break out the champagne just yet

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sc0la

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pigeon said:
It might have been good for his career to end after that take just because it's earth-shatteringly stupid, Jesus Christ. The best part is actually not even about John Nash, it's where he casts suspicion on the prisoner's dilemma for being about prisoners cut off from "noncompetitive relationships." Which is just about the most backwards and ignorant interpretation of the prisoner's dilemma you could possibly have. This is Creationists talking about evolution level of misunderstanding.
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GameTheoryGate
Its actually about ethics in noncompetitive relationships.
 
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Vimes

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I've gotten old enough to realize the Exiled guys are super questionable, but I'll never forget this bit from Mark Ames about the right smearing Kerry's war record in 2004:

That's why the Republicans focused on Kerry's war hero record. Everyone was shocked by this strategy: ”Why would the Republicans go after Kerry's war record when Bush and Cheney were deserters?" The answer was obvious if you understood how spite works. Kerry's war heroism secretly pissed off untold millions of American males, especially middle-aged white American males, who identified with the cowardice and loud-mouthed hypocrisy of the Republican war deserters, because most white middle-class American males were war deserters too. It's like the homophobe closet-case phenomenon: most boomers who deserted the Vietnam War resent that stain on their past, so naturally they're for the rankest, basest draft-dodging hypocrites like Rush Limbaugh or Newt Gingrich, who dignify draft-dodging as machismo, and turn that private stain into a purple heart.

Compare the shame of the average white male American's Vietnam record to Kerry's war record: He saw real combat and faced real danger and killed real living people, rather than just yapping about killing in the comments section of Pajamas Media like most white males, or shouting about it on FoxNews with all the draft-dodging warmongers there...Then there's Kerry's far braver turn to anti-war activism after he returned home, a defiance that none of these spiteful voters ever had the courage to show in public, for fear of getting yelled at by their bosses. And most offensive of all, Kerry's cinematic Swift Boat that he rode up the Mekong, clutching his M-16 like some fucking action hero movie star. He lived the life every dead-ender American wishes he had lived, daydreaming about courage in his wretched cubicle.
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Vixdean

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This bill should also re-appropriate funding to the risk corridors which Marco Rubio gutted in 2015. Other than the SCOTUS decision on Medicaid expansion, no other single act is more responsible for the rise in premiums and lack of insurers in red states.
 
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mlclmtckr

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The Technomancer said:
I don't know about moral indictment but wowee that's one hell of a shitty take, especially considering valid critiques of game theory exist. People with various mental illnesses come up with academic work all the time, the question of if Nash's schizophrenia did or didn't influence game theory should be secondary to understanding and critiquing why it caught on among wider circles
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Also, like, there is such a thing as academic rigour even in the soft sciences. Any consideration of a writer's mental state is kind of beside the point of the validity / provability of their ideas.

Also also while I agree in principle about making fun of Eric Garland's tweetstorm about Russia and his own understanding of game theory it's really fucking dumb to look at the Prisoner's Dilemma and read some kind of social message into it or make some kind of value judgement about game theory as a whole based on it.

It's like saying Newtonian physics are all concerned with mass and gravity and therefore Newton was a particle-obsessed mentally ill person who saw everything in terms of inertia and force.

Agreed, pigeon, it's a pretty spectacular case of missing the entire point of an idea.
 
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skullmuffins

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more mueller updates. nothing unexpected here, we knew these interviews were coming

I hope mueller got spicey's notebooks

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/17/sean-spicer-mueller-russia-probe-243882

President Donald Trump’s former press secretary Sean Spicer met with special counsel Robert Mueller's team on Monday for an interview that lasted much of the day, according to multiple people familiar with the meeting.

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Mueller’s team has also interviewed Keith Kellogg, who served as interim National Security Adviser after Michael Flynn was fired.
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skullmuffins said:
more mueller updates. nothing unexpected here, we knew these interviews were coming

I hope mueller got spicey's notebooks

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/17/sean-spicer-mueller-russia-probe-243882
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I picture a meeting like that to go like this: "Sean, you were by the President's side 24/7 those first few months?" -- "Yes." -- "Okay, start talking." -- *proceeds to talk for the entire day without any additional prompts*

Sean Spicer sure as hell isn't taking the fall for any Trump bullshit.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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Isn't the story here that a Jacobin guy is a sexual assaulter, and not the merits of game theory?

Seems like we're losing the focus here.

After centuries of social pressure to contain this stuff, the dam is breaking. There are going to be a lot more sexual assault stories in coming weeks. It will be interesting to see where we end up, socially, afterwards. Does the status quo reassert itself, or do we end up with new norms about this stuff?

And I think it's really a losing game to talk about any particular group being a haven of this stuff. It's omnipresent across ideological lines and industries.
 
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The Technomancer

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Ignatz Mouse said:
Isn't the story here that a Jacobin guy is a sexual assaulter, and not the merits of game theory?

Seems like we're losing the focus here.

After centuries of social pressure to contain this stuff, the dam is breaking. There are going to be a lot more sexual assault stories in coming weeks. It will be interesting to see where we end up, socially, afterwards. Does the status quo reassert itself, or do we end up with new norms about this stuff?

And I think it's really a losing game to talk about any particular group being a haven of this stuff. It's omnipresent across ideological lines and industries.
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Sorry you're completely right, the main story here should be that the dude committed sexual assault. At least it sounds like his community is properly turning on him?
 
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kirblar

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Ignatz Mouse said:
Isn't the story here that a Jacobin guy is a sexual assaulter, and not the merits of game theory?

Seems like we're losing the focus here.

After centuries of social pressure to contain this stuff, the dam is breaking. There are going to be a lot more sexual assault stories in coming weeks. It will be interesting to see where we end up, socially, afterwards. Does the status quo reassert itself, or do we end up with new norms about this stuff?

And I think it's really a losing game to talk about any particular group being a haven of this stuff. It's omnipresent across ideological lines and industries.
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That it took that to knock him out (and not his absolutely horrifically stupid views) is a warning as well. Both narratives are valid at the same time.
 
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