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PoliGAF 2nd Pres. Debate 2008 Thread (DOW dropping, Biden is off to Home Depot)

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DeaconKnowledge said:
I think it varies wildly for a multitude of reasons. Most importantly that we're in a conservative cycle right now (We had a Liberal Majority for over a decade until the incumbent Liberal leader Chretien was forced out, dividing the party and allowing the "change" candidate (Harper and the conservatives, the republican equivalent) to come into a minority government. now Harper is crying for Canada to stay the course, which is basically the same campaign that is getting McCain crushed in the election now. Unfortunately, the Liberal party (the Democratic equivalent and official opposition) has been weakened since their leader (Paul Martin) retired after being defeated by Harper and losing Lib support, and elected Stephane Dion, a generally unpopular guy in Liberal circles who was largely chosen to secure the Quebec stronghold for the Liberals) into power.

Fortunately, the Liberals (and tertiary challengers the NDP, which is more of a socialist movement) seem to have enough support to force another minority government, which means that if (and when) Harper wins, his government will be small enough to FORCE bipartisanship with either the Liberals (not likely) or the NDP (a bigger possibility).

To sum up, i'd say we're in our second Bush term. Though Harper is nowhere NEAR as bad as Bush is/was.
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Fascinating. I love reading about politics in other countries. Thanks.
 
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CharlieDigital said:
I'm surprised we haven't heard anything more overtly racist like "lynch" or "hang" or flat out calling him a "negro"...well, at least not reported by the news yet.
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Pollster has a summary of the debate reaction polls.

A quick follow-up to last night's post on the initial quick reaction debate polls. One point I've tried to make on this subject is that debate usually reinforce existing preferences. Democrats like the Democrat, Republicans like the Republican, so polls that tell us who "won" can sometimes be misleading if the debate audience is skewed toward the partisans of one side or another.

That scenario was not in play last night. In fact, the five surveys for which I could find data all showed a very consistent result. On the question of "who won" or did better in the debate, Democrats consistently gave higher marks to Obama than Republicans did to McCain and independents who could pick a winner typically chose Obama by large margins.
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Even Republicans didn't get behind McCain last night.
 
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Man. That economy debate's gonna be brutal for McCain if he couldn't win or even tie the foreign policy or town hall ones.
 
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BTW Michelle Obama is as good as her husband in comunicating their points.. She sounds awesome.

Shes on Larry King right now... on TDS tonight.
 
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Stoney Mason

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Dean Reynolds. Whiny little *****

From CBS News' Dean Reynolds:

(NASHVILLE, TENN.) - After most of the previous 12 months covering Barack Obama's campaign for the presidency, it was interesting, instructive and, well, relaxing to follow John McCain for the last few days. The differences between the two are striking.

Obama is the big time orator, McCain is the guy who struggles with a teleprompter or even note cards strategically placed nearby. Obama's crowds are larger, more enthusiastic. McCain's events are smaller, but to my eye, better choreographed. And now with the addition of Sarah Palin to some of his events, McCain can boast of crowds that match Obama's in energy.

There is an urgency to the McCain campaign now that I don't think was there before. Due to the fact that he is running second, no doubt, but it may also be because McCain has a finishing kick. Whatever the case, he is sharper on the stump than he was before. (Though I would suspect a candidate running behind would want to schedule two or three appearances per day, instead of the one McCain usually does.)

It is true that McCain enjoys taking questions from the audience in town hall-style settings. That doesn't mean he is the master of that kind of forum, it just means he's good at it. He likes to converse with voters. Obama does it well too, but seldom achieves that intangible bond with the people that all politicians crave -- or fake.

Behind the scenes, where the public is not allowed, there are other differences.

Obama's campaign schedule is fuller, more hectic and seemingly improvisational. The Obama aides who deal with the national reporters on the campaign plane are often overwhelmed, overworked and un-informed about where, when, why or how the candidate is moving about. Baggage calls are preposterously early with the explanation that it's all for security reasons.

If so, I would love to have someone from Obama's campaign explain why the entire press corps, the Secret Service, and the local police idled for two hours in a Miami hotel parking lot recently because there was nothing to do and nowhere to go. It was not an isolated case.

The national headquarters in Chicago airily dismisses complaints from journalists wondering why a schedule cannot be printed up or at least e-mailed in time to make coverage plans. Nor is there much sympathy for those of us who report for a newscast that airs in the early evening hours. Our shows place a premium on live reporting from the scene of campaign events. But this campaign can often be found in the air and flying around at the time the "CBS Evening News with Katie Couric" is broadcast. I suspect there is a feeling within the Obama campaign that the broadcast networks are less influential in the age of the internet and thus needn't be accomodated as in the days of yore. Even if it's true, they are only hurting themselves by dissing audiences that run in the tens of millions every night.

The McCain folks are more helpful and generally friendly. The schedules are printed on actual books you can hold in your hand, read, and then plan accordingly. The press aides are more knowledgeable and useful to us in the news media. The events are designed with a better eye, and for the simple needs of the press corps. When he is available, John McCain is friendly and loquacious. Obama holds news conferences, but seldom banters with the reporters who've been following him for thousands of miles around the country. Go figure.

The McCain campaign plane is better than Obama's, which is cramped, uncomfortable and smells terrible most of the time. Somehow the McCain folks manage to keep their charter clean, even where the press is seated.

The other day in Albuquerque, N.M., the reporters were given almost no time to file their reports after McCain spoke. It was an important, aggressive speech, lambasting Obama's past associations. When we asked for more time to write up his remarks and prepare our reports, the campaign readily agreed to it. They understood.

Similar requests are often denied or ignored by the Obama campaign aides, apparently terrified that the candidate may have to wait 20 minutes to allow reporters to chronicle what he's just said. It's made all the more maddening when we are rushed to our buses only to sit and wait for 30 minutes or more because nobody seems to know when Obama is actually on the move.

Maybe none of this means much. Maybe a front-running campaign like Obama's that is focused solely on victory doesn't have the time to do the mundane things like print up schedules or attend to the needs of reporters.

But in politics, everything that goes around comes around.
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Actually I don't mind inside stories like this but this one seems a bit pissy.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/07/politics/fromtheroad/entry4507703.shtml
 
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Man. That economy debate's gonna be brutal for McCain if he couldn't win or even tie the foreign policy or town hall ones.
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I want to see a no mas dropped by McCain soon.
 
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TDG said:
Fascinating. I love reading about politics in other countries. Thanks.
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No problem.

As an aside, I was a lifelong Liberal who voted for Harper because by that time the Liberals had been in power so long they had become bloated and inefficient (like with a gun registry program that was supposed to cost a million dollars that ended up soaring to over a billion with no end in sight). I doubt I would ever vote for Dion, so i'll either vote NDP to help force a Minority government, Vote Green (independent) or not vote at all.
 
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Stoney Mason said:
Dean Reynolds. Whiny little *****

From CBS News' Dean Reynolds:

Maybe none of this means much. Maybe a front-running campaign like Obama's that is focused solely on victory doesn't have the time to do the mundane things like print up schedules or attend to the needs of reporters.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/07/politics/fromtheroad/entry4507703.shtml
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The guy isn't spending less of his time and campaign funding on winning and more on creature comforts on his plane? What a douche!
 
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Trakdown said:
Not surprising, after his little "housing bailout" moment. That turned off a LOT of right-wingers.
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Yep. A $300 billion deal that lets the treasury secretary buy out troubled mortgages and make them affordable? That was McCain's attempt to gain some independents, I guess, which is pointless considering how turned off they likely are by his negative campaigning and smearing of Obama.

Such an incomprehensible strategy.
 
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I love how Michelle doesn't even shy away from the Bill Ayers question or even remotely tries to throw him under the bus. She was just like "yeah, I know him, what the fuck is up now?"
 
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What resonated most with me was Obama's call for a national commitment to service and sacrifice.

In a way, he took a gamble with that. People really don't like to give up the creature comforts we've grown accustomed to, and they don't want to hear that things are gonna get worse before they get better. Of course, Obama didn't get into specifics - he didn't tell people food was going to get more expensive or wages would go down - but he did implore people to volunteer.

I wish my dad were still around to hear it. He passed back in May, but he absolutely loved Obama. He had come of age when JFK was elected; he went into the Peace Corps after Kennedy asked the youth to serve. He saw a lot of JFK in Obama, especially in his ability to inspire and lead. He wasn't around to see the primary win, but he knew it was coming. The man saw MLK, JFK, RFK, and Malcolm die, and in a way, Obama represented the realization of his generation's struggles. Hopefully those deaths weren't in vain.

Kinda cool to see Obama call for service on the national stage. I hope he follows up with that.
 
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Sleeker

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Get some crooks and fundamentalist Christians who condone large scale vote rigging and bring this election home to McCain.

Its in the bag.
 
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Price Dalton

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Zeliard said:
"Refuse his questions unless he offers them in writing to you."

:lol

That guy knew that the interviewer was making all of those people look dumb as fuck.
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You could see the gears in their tiny brains struggling to understand if they were being tricked.
 
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Souldriver said:
The blond woman interrupting every interview coming from the side to block the camera. It reminds me of the gif where a guy rolls over in his bed and suddenly the Bishops/Samuel L. Jacksons face comes up from the side. :lol
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it actually reminds me of the short guy from the "This is America dude" .gif :lol
 
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Sleeker said:
Get some crooks and fundamentalist Christians who condone large scale vote rigging and bring this election home to McCain.

Its in the bag.
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McCain's got Obama right where he wants him.
 
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Gattsu25 said:
Sounds like him at the start but the more it goes on the less authentic it sounds. Still, that's fucking awesome.
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It's him. It's taken from his own reading of The Audacity of Hope audiobook, spliced together to form this perfect result. That's our guy...
 
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WickedAngel said:
That guy is lucky that he didn't get stabbed.

There aren't many more terrifying things in modern society than uneducated masses and blind loyalties.
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If he got stabbed it would have proved his point. Look at the Friday Night Lights(book). That book made that town reform itself(albeit not much) to fix some of their problems.
 
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This election has changed me. I've always ranged from indifferent to respectful in relation to conflicting political views of others, but in this election when ever someone tells me they're supporting McCain they might as well have told me that they skin puppies alive and consume there feces for sustenance. I look at them with a mix of anger, confusion, disgust, and pity. I then contemplate asking for details but instantly realize that I would only be opening a door to more anger, confusion, disgust, and pity, so I shouldn't even waste my time. And from that point on I'm never able to look at them the same way, or take them seriously about anything ever again.
 
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Price Dalton said:
What resonated most with me was Obama's call for a national commitment to service and sacrifice.

In a way, he took a gamble with that. People really don't like to give up the creature comforts we've grown accustomed to, and they don't want to hear that things are gonna get worse before they get better. Of course, Obama didn't get into specifics - he didn't tell people food was going to get more expensive or wages would go down - but he did implore people to volunteer.

I wish my dad were still around to hear it. He passed back in May, but he absolutely loved Obama. He had come of age when JFK was elected; he went into the Peace Corps after Kennedy asked the youth to serve. He saw a lot of JFK in Obama, especially in his ability to inspire and lead. He wasn't around to see the primary win, but he knew it was coming. The man saw MLK, JFK, RFK, and Malcolm die, and in a way, Obama represented the realization of his generation's struggles. Hopefully those deaths weren't in vain.

Kinda cool to see Obama call for service on the national stage. I hope he follows up with that.
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Obama actually has a comprehensive national service plan; McCain does not.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/service/

One of the more surprising elements of the candidates, IMO.
 
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RapeApe said:
What Palin/McCain supporters really think of Barack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E
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I am starting to miss the days when people like this just went around calling people n****, putting on white hoods and burning crosses my people's front on lawns. A least them their racism as out in the open. Now in Baracks case, the word n**** and coon has been replaced with Terrorist.

I would have a lot more respect for these people if they just came out and admitted that they don't want a black man as president.
 
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Nameless said:
This election has changed me. I've always ranged from indifferent to respectful in relation to conflicting political views of others, but in this election when ever someone tells me they're supporting McCain they might as well have told me that they skin puppies alive and consume there feces for sustenance. I look at them with a mix of anger, confusion, disgust, and pity. I then contemplate asking for details but instantly realize that I would only be opening a door to more anger, confusion, disgust, and pity, so I shouldn't even waste my time. And from that point on I'm never able to look at them the same way, or take them seriously about anything ever again.
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Same way dude. I feel like I have to quit my job or something. Can't handle it :(
 
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XxenobladerxX said:
I am starting to miss the days when people like this just went around calling people n****, putting on white hoods and burning crosses my people's front on lawns. A least them their racism as out in the open. Now in Baracks case, the word n**** and coon has been replaced with Terrorist.

I would have a lot more respect for these people if they just came out and admitted that they don't want a black man as president.
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Funny you should mention that, I watched some random video on youtube about a guy doing this to some other people around. This one lady kept saying she didn't want OBama as president, but then kept dancing around the reasons why, which was frustrating for very obvious reasons.

They cut to an older white woman, who flat out said "I don't want a negro as president" and I actually felt better. Of course what she said was deplorable, but i'd rather she be straight up and own up to her prejudice instead of dancing around it like an idiot in the thought that it somehow makes her a better person.
 
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GhaleonEB said:
Obama actually has a comprehensive national service plan; McCain does not.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/service/

One of the more surprising elements of the candidates, IMO.
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See, that's what I'm talking about. This is just beautiful.

A plan like this is objectively positive. I challenge anyone - McCain supporter, Hillaryis44 member, undecided, anyone at all - to read and understand the plan you just posted and come away with a negative opinion.

It's impossible. If one still manages to attack that plan, they're just being dishonest.

Circle jerking aside, policies like this bring a tear to my eye. It's a challenge to the American people, rather than the typical pandering.
 
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Nameless said:
This election has changed me. I've always ranged from indifferent to respectful in relation to conflicting political views of others, but in this election when ever someone tells me they're supporting McCain they might as well have told me that they skin puppies alive and consume there feces for sustenance. I look at them with a mix of anger, confusion, disgust, and pity. I then contemplate asking for details but instantly realize that I would only be opening a door to more anger, confusion, disgust, and pity, so I shouldn't even waste my time. And from that point on I'm never able to look at them the same way, or take them seriously about anything ever again.
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I feel much the same way. If someone tells me they are voting for John McCain I lose interest in discussing anything remotely serious with them ever again. I just sort of nod and smile...I've learned never to discuss or debate my reasons for voting Obama as it will never solve anything...I change the subject as quickly as possible and never speak of it again.
 
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