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[ChoklitReign]

Suprising news today! The NRA will endorse....

Spoiler

John McCain

Perhaps, only surprising because I assumed they already had.:lol

Why couldn't they endorse Bob Barr?

 

[Hitokage]

I remember before the primaries, when McCain was on the daily show -- he was so friendly and easy-going.. he'd play along with the jokes and shoot the shit with Stewart... now it's like a completely different person, it's fucking insane how much he's 180'd.

Taking after Dr. Faust will do that to you.

 

[Price Dalton]

Taking after Dr. Faust will do that to you.

I like to think of it like Dorian Gray.

Except that they fucked up, and the portrait's out campaigning.

 

[Stoney Mason]

Why couldn't they endorse Bob Barr?

Because they actually want some bang for their dollars.

 

[ChoklitReign]

ARG has Obama up 8%, 50-42...

Obama polling better in WV than OH? THIS IS MADNESS!

 

[mckmas8808]

Interesting although ARG is a bit funky at times...


To be fair I also don't believe that Obama is up 11 like Gallup is saying at the moment.

So what do you think? I believe it's closer to 7 points.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Obama polling better in WV than OH? THIS IS MADNESS!

This is ARG.

Sigh.

 

[SSGMUN10000]

I dozed off on the couch while the McCain rally came on and started dreaming that I was there. I did manage to fart on his stage though...lol. It was a horrifying experince.

 

[Stoney Mason]

So what do you think? I believe it's closer to 7 points.

5, 6, or 7. Somewhere in that general range.

 

[reilo]

So, what was the big morning "surprise"?

 

[Tamanon]

I dozed off on the couch while the McCain really came on and started dreaming that I was there. I did manage to fart on his stage though...lol. It was a horrifying experince.

Oddly enough, that would probably one of the least crude things the microphones would pick up.

Reilo: A Bill Ayers web-ad. No joke.

 

[GhaleonEB]

So what do you think? I believe it's closer to 7 points.

I check daily for TPM's daily tracking aggregates rather than run with one of them. It has Obama up about 7%; overall he went up just under a point from yesterday, reflecting the first day of post-debate reaction.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/tpm_track_composite_obamas_lea.php

 

[Fragamemnon]

So, what was the big morning "surprise"?

lol ayers

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

So, what was the big morning "surprise"?

The ultimate "there wasn't supposed to be a suprise" surprise FAKE OUT.

 

[HylianTom]

So what do you think? I believe it's closer to 7 points.

The pessimist in me is saying that this race will close and end on 3 or 4 points.

Pretty good for a worst-case scenario; in today's political climate, it's practically impossible to lose the Electoral College when you're 3 points up.

 

[reilo]

:lol

 

[mckmas8808]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHUlA7Oe9YY

How is this not an Obama ad already?:lol I hope they're saving it for next week or something.

What does it say?

 

[Stoney Mason]

The pessimist in me is saying that this race will close and end on 3 or 4 points.

Pretty good for a worst-case scenario; in today's political climate, it's practically impossible to lose the Electoral College when you're 3 points up.

That's also roughly my being realistic/pessimistic call. I think if Obama wins going away I think it will be 3 or 4 percent. Not on the largish end of these poll results currently out there. Of course I hope I'm wrong and he wins in a very large popular vote blowout but I wont shake my "This is America" outlook until post election.

 

[Tamanon]

What does it say?

It's McCain from apparently 2000 doing an interview and saying how much he doesn't believe in negative campaigning and that the only reason people do negative attacks all the time is because they don't have any ideas for the future.

 

[Learn2read]

Why couldn't they endorse Bob Barr?

Because they're a bunch of ho-bags?

Obama Camp Working On Transition, McCain Putting It Off
The Huffington Post reports that the Obama campaign has a fully-functioning transition effort in place should he win the election, and has obtained a copy of an ethics code that places limits on the ability of former lobbyists to serve on his team, and forbids current lobbyists entirely. By contrast, the McCain campaign has barely begun a transition t all, in contrast to virtually all other non-incumbent presidential nominees in the past who have prepared for the possibility of winning.

Didn't know what to make of this either "Writing on the wall" or "Irresponsible asshole is irresponsible asshole"

 

[Stoney Mason]

What does it say?

It's Mccain from 2000 saying how negative ads aren't so cool. Of course he is now running them almost exclusively.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

:lol

Obama also told McCain that if he wants to bring up Ayers, then say it to his face. He literally said that.

 

[Hitokage]

I know the AM Talk Radio crowd is tearing their eyes out Oedipus-style over ACORN, but what's the reality-based overview of the matter? I'm aware of one woman getting caught registering people for money, but is that really all they have to go on?

 

[DemDereNads]

It's Mccain from 2000 saying how negative ads aren't so cool. Of course he is now running them almost exclusively.

Someone has to do the Main Stream Media's (aka Obama-mania Media) job.

 

[StopMakingSense]

Didn't know what to make of this either "Writing on the wall" or "Irresponsible asshole is irresponsible asshole"

More like broke asshole is broke.

 

[Tamanon]

I know the AM Talk Radio crowd is tearing their eyes out Oedipus-style over ACORN, but what's the reality-based overview of the matter?

Nobody's really talking about it, even FOX just kinda glossed over it. It's basically just a small voter-registration issue.

 

[HylianTom]

Of course I hope I'm wrong and he wins in a very large popular vote blowout but I wont shake my "This is America" outlook until post election.

Yup. It's kinda sad that it took a financial meltdown to get him into this commanding position. After 8 years of bullshit, Americans seem to have learned very little.

I'll celebrate a victory (and no doubt rub it into Republican family members' faces), but in the back of my mind there will always be the ever-present belief that as soon as things in this country return to decent condition, voters will once again resume their short-bus voting habits.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Obama also told McCain that if he wants to bring up Ayers, then say it to his face. He literally said that.

McCain can't and won't do that.

For all of the talk of his temper, and general anger... the guy seems like a huge coward.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Nobody's really talking about it, even FOX just kinda glossed over it. It's basically just a small voter-registration issue.

Well now it is.

Next week it'll be McCain's last stand:lol

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I know the AM Talk Radio crowd is tearing their eyes out Oedipus-style over ACORN, but what's the reality-based overview of the matter? I'm aware of one woman getting caught registering people for money, but is that really all they have to go on?

There have been a few cases of ACORN voter fraud in the past, but nothing large scale, and certainly nothing like the voter-removal, or the foreclosure thing in MI, for a couple of examples.

Also, Obama tried a case for them once, so they think they can pin him to it.

 

[Stoney Mason]

Someone has to do the Main Stream Media's (aka Obama-mania Media) job.

It's funny how Mccain guys hate the media now after loving the continual blow job coverage they gave him from 2000 and on.

 

[Shins]

Someone has to do the Main Stream Media's (aka Obama-mania Media) job.

Oh that's clever. You're clever.

 

[BobTheFork]

Someone has to do the Main Stream Media's (aka Obama-mania Media) job.

Remember kids, if your team loses, the game isn't fair.

 

[thefro]

There have been a few cases of ACORN voter fraud in the past, but nothing large scale, and certainly nothing like the voter-removal, or the foreclosure thing in MI, for a couple of examples.

Also, Obama tried a case for them once, so they think they can pin him to it.

Keep in mind it's people getting paid to register X number of voters, so some of them are idiots and put fake names/dead people down.

There's no evidence that people are actually going to try and vote under some of these bogus registrations. Also I believe ACORN actually caught a lot of these and notified the states in question about them.

 

[Iksenpets]

Obama polling better in WV than OH? THIS IS MADNESS!

Only 5 points in Montana, too? If that's accurate (and I doubt it is) and Obama keeps his momentum up, MT could be back on the table, at least with Ron Paul on the ballot splitting McCain's vote.

 

[Cloudy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHUlA7Oe9YY

How is this not an Obama ad already?:lol I hope they're saving it for next week or something.

Youtube blocked. What is that?

 

[artredis1980]

NEW POLLS:

DEBATE POLL FROM USATODAY/GALLUP

735 people were polled

53% had the same opinion of Obama after the debate compared to before it
34% had a better opinion of Obama after the debate compared to before it
12% had a worse opinion of Obama after the debate compared to before it

54% had the same opinion of McCain after the debate compared to before it
12% had a better opinion of McCain after the debate compared to before it
33% had a worse opinion of McCain after the debate compared to before it




56% thought Obama won the debate
23% thought McCain won the debate

+4/-4 Correction.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/10/gallup-poll-sig.html

 

[Learn2read]

Youtube blocked. What is that?

McCain disdaining attack ads as something to resort to when you have no real ideas. He also said it in a relaxed, "mavericky" manner that had made reporters want to sex him up.

 

[bob_arctor]

Youtube blocked. What is that?

McCain in 2000 talking about how he doesn't care for negative ads and if someone is relying on them then that means they have nothing to speak on regarding the real issues.

In other words, past McCain was sending a warning to future McCain not to become an asshole and future McCain didn't pay attention.

 

[MiketheBSG]

I'm sorry, this picture is awesome for some reason...

 

[mckmas8808]

Stocks down -165 points right now. This is crazy for real. Maybe we'll get a late push into the positive later in the day.

 

[Tamanon]

NEW POLLS:

DEBATE POLL FROM USATODAY/GALLUP

735 people were polled

53% had the same opinion of Obama after the debate compared to before it
34% had a better opinion of Obama after the debate compared to before it
12% had a worse opinion of Obama after the debate compared to before it

54% had the same opinion of McCain after the debate compared to before it
12% had a better opinion of McCain after the debate compared to before it
33% had a worse opinion of McCain after the debate compared to before it




56% thought Obama won the debate
23% thought McCain won the debate

+4/-4 Correction.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/10/gallup-poll-sig.html

:O at those opinion numbers.

 

[Stoney Mason]

NEW POLLS:

DEBATE POLL FROM USATODAY/GALLUP

735 people were polled

53% had the same opinion of Obama after the debate compared to before it
34% had a better opinion of Obama after the debate compared to before it
12% had a worse opinion of Obama after the debate compared to before it

54% had the same opinion of McCain after the debate compared to before it
12% had a better opinion of McCain after the debate compared to before it
33% had a worse opinion of McCain after the debate compared to before it




56% thought Obama won the debate
23% thought McCain won the debate

+4/-4 Correction.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/10/gallup-poll-sig.html

Meh. The Republicans decided that debate was boring and doesn't count...

 

[GhaleonEB]

NEW POLLS:

DEBATE POLL FROM USATODAY/GALLUP

735 people were polled

53% had the same opinion of Obama after the debate compared to before it
34% had a better opinion of Obama after the debate compared to before it
12% had a worse opinion of Obama after the debate compared to before it

54% had the same opinion of McCain after the debate compared to before it
12% had a better opinion of McCain after the debate compared to before it
33% had a worse opinion of McCain after the debate compared to before it

56% thought Obama won the debate
23% thought McCain won the debate

+4/-4 Correction.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/10/gallup-poll-sig.html

That follows the Kos poll showing Obama and Biden's favorability rising, while McCain's and Palin's is falling. When people don't like you already, negative attacks aren't going to work; no credibility.

http://www.dailykos.com/trendlines

 

[adamsappel]

I remember before the primaries, when McCain was on the daily show -- he was so friendly and easy-going.. he'd play along with the jokes and shoot the shit with Stewart... now it's like a completely different person, it's fucking insane how much he's 180'd.

I think Stewart has pretty much thrown their camaraderie, uh, under the bus. I read the expression on his face with every comment on McCain as, "Can you believe I used to like this guy?" I don't see how McCain will (or would even want to) go back and be a guest on The Daily Show after this (or Letterman, either).

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Meh. The Republicans decided that debate was boring and doesn't count...

Same with Gwen Ifil. Darn her and the GOP crying foul before the VP debate!

 

[Trakdown]

Very minor change, only like 0.2+ for Obama on WP. But wouldja look at WV?

 

[Fatalah]

Have you guys seen this video yet? If McCain wants to go into character assassination mode, this video tears McCain apart. McCain's short temper is SCARY. I don't want him to be President at all. I want Obama to get this McCain to show up at the next debate, I want McCain to f'n snap.

Video is at the bottom.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/09/report-mccain-exploded-wi_n_133242.html

 

[Mkliner]

McCain can't and won't do that.

For all of the talk of his temper, and general anger... the guy seems like a huge coward.

I think it's more guilt than fear.

 

[Fatalah]

I think it's more guilt than fear.

He'll only feel guilt if he loses. Seems like he doesn't feel guilty about doing anything as long as it helps him win.

PS--- Guys, don't forget a special SNL is on tonight!