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PoliGAF 2nd Pres. Debate 2008 Thread (DOW dropping, Biden is off to Home Depot)
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DemDereNads
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BobTheFork said:
You are completely naive if you do not see the clear bias. Right from the beginning, all the major networks went on Obama's foreign tour. They never bring up anything but praise for Obama, and trash McCain/Palin any chance they get.
You guys seem to love polls, go find the ones where people actually agree there is a clear Obama bias.
Question - Does anyone here actually have a career yet? Or are you all students?
If you do have a career, don't you fear what will happen to it once your employer gets hit with higher taxes? Do you believe they are going to be "patriotic" like Biden says and suck it up? Or do you think they are going to lower your wages and/or lay people off to make up for it?
Anyone else see on CNN that guy from North Carolina who's refusing to allow people with Obama bumperstickers park in his parking lot?
Every day I see video footage of these idiots, and every day I smile when I think of them weeping on Election Night. But then I think.. we'll be seeing stuff like this for at least four years.
Every day I see video footage of these idiots, and every day I smile when I think of them weeping on Election Night. But then I think.. we'll be seeing stuff like this for at least four years.
grandjedi6
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Reality isn't a biasDemDereNads said:
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Fatalah said:
Good job posting some random graph where it admits they have a democratic bias right in the graph...
Explain it yourself if you think I'm misguided, rather than posting some random chart.
XxenobladerxX
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They have a bias in the graph because McCain's economic plan fucking sucks.
Cauliflower of Love
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MiketheBSG said:
I'm sorry, this picture is awesome for some reason...
It's the epitome of Obama, in the midst of turmoil, we have someone standing up for us, even though we can't see who he really is
Hitokage said:
You'll notice that whenever conservatives talk about it they leave out a very important point...practically all the fradulent voter registrations are easily identified and thrown out. Remember almost all registrations require proof of residence and then ID when you vote.
It's near impossible to do registration fraud in the hundreds let alone the thousands.
Now tampering with existing registrations is much easier and would actually have an effect, which is happening according to some headlines. If you had access to these files it seems like it would be easy to go in and delete a bunch of people based on their party affiliation and then on election day they would come to find they couldn't vote because they weren't registered.
I really hope Obama wins in a landslide or it's going to be 2000 all over, except it will be several states instead of just florida.
DemDereNads said:
Radiology. I do pretty well for myself. I know that my taxes will most likely go up, and I honestly don't mind too much, especially if we get years of more fun dissents from Justice Scalia.
And isn't this what we heard before Clinton took office? And when the Democratic budget was passed in the early 90's? Do you have any new material?
grandjedi6
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Obama has made some poorly worded slips (sweetie-gate, bitter-gate, etc.). I disagree with his FISA position, and wish he were even more progressive on gay marriage.Charred Greyface said:
But from an organizational perspective? I can't think of anything. Everything is playing out the way Obama wanted: he spread the field of red states, his massive ground game registered millions of new voters, leaving public financing is enabling a huge spending advantage and he's surrounded himself with the best campaign managers and strategists out there.
Every time I've questioned a strategic move of Obama's, I've been proven wrong.
BobTheFork
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None of those comment at the bottom have anything to do with your claims of a media bias.DemDereNads said:
Exactly when did it start? when McCain was ahead in the polls? When they were riding a good wave after the RNC? How about when McCain laid out parts of his plan that even his own party hates? Just maybe the last eight years have possibly soured people to the idea of another republican president right now. Accusing the media of bias just hides the real issue, you honestly refuse to believe thats Americans MIGHT NOT WANT McCain to be President. So instead, since it can't be him because you like him, it must be something else that's preventing his clear path to victory. You need to grow up and admit there actually are valid reason for people to vote for another candidate and stop whining that you think someone if tying his shoelaces together.
CharlieDigital
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I have a career as a software engineer.
When I started with my current company, we were a small shop with only 5 employees.
One of the biggest stumbling blocks to expansion was -- guess what -- health insurance.
I'm married to a school teacher, so her job is pretty much secure and she has great health insurance coverage. For me, it wasn't an issue to not have health care coverage. I had a friend whom I worked with at a previous company who I tried to recruit. The biggest stumbling block? He's got two infants, one of them has had chronic ear infections...he couldn't give up his position and join us without healthcare.
Also, you're a fucking idiot if you assume that we're all some idealist college kids. Many of us are professionals who've had successful careers and we see the real issues facing the country today from actually, you know, having responsibilities.
When I started with my current company, we were a small shop with only 5 employees.
One of the biggest stumbling blocks to expansion was -- guess what -- health insurance.
I'm married to a school teacher, so her job is pretty much secure and she has great health insurance coverage. For me, it wasn't an issue to not have health care coverage. I had a friend whom I worked with at a previous company who I tried to recruit. The biggest stumbling block? He's got two infants, one of them has had chronic ear infections...he couldn't give up his position and join us without healthcare.
Also, you're a fucking idiot if you assume that we're all some idealist college kids. Many of us are professionals who've had successful careers and we see the real issues facing the country today from actually, you know, having responsibilities.
Steve Youngblood
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I'm not trying to be condescending here, but what you are exhibiting is a clear case of being a sore loser. Don't worry, you're not alone. The same thing was happening here by Obama supporters anytime McCain was in the lead, and during the primaries when it looked like Clinton might have had a shot at being the Comeback Kid. There were cries here of "Why won't the media call out this crap!?" And "if the media won't do it, why won't Obama go on the offensive and call out this crap!? It's not fair! Our guy is supposed to be in the lead!"DemDereNads said:
MassiveAttack
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Stoney Mason
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DemDereNads said:
If you want to discuss content media coverage analysis then that's fine. At least do some heavy lifting like APF does and bring in content and data to discuss rather than just stating your opinion and saying it is obvious.
As far as higher taxes and wages I'm assuming you think the last 8 years have just been Xanadu on that front and America is prospering like never before right?
mckmas8808
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artredis1980 said:
:lol :lol at the bolded. And a 33% win for the USA Today debate poll? MY GOODNESS!
DemDereNads
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scorcho said:
Yes, republicans are typically for less regulation, however in the case of the mortgage meltdown, it was republicans saying the system was broken years ago, while democrats, including the put down any attempt to fix it. Including your buddy Barrack who was the #2 beneficiary from Fannie and Freddy.
In any event, you can't blame one side for the current mortgage meltdown, as predator lenders and idiotic home buyers also played a massive role.
mckmas8808
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GhaleonEB said:
Is any of this information that we've been talking about straight from the true numbers going to be repeated today on ANY of the evening cable shows?
ChoklitReign
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/08/AR2008100803601_pf.html
Lots of stuff already discussed about, but did you catch this?
Lots of stuff already discussed about, but did you catch this?
DemDereNads
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Clevinger said:
Read the chart that was posted. Nearly 50% identify themselves with democrats.
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I can rip these talking points straight out of McCain's statements during the last debate.DemDereNads said:
Do you have a personal opinion on the matter or are you just going to tow the same things we hear McCain's surrogates say everyday?
...or I mean: One of McCain's top advisers lobbied for Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac!
Ignatz Mouse
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DemDereNads said:
I have no worries for my career.
In fact, when you look historically at taxes and job creation/loss, there is no correlation.
Also, I don't want the government to start taxing my medical benefits, ala McCain's plan.
Jason's Ultimatum
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DemDereNads said:
Obama received the donations from individual employees. You should stop with the right wing talking points.
speculawyer
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You really don't seem to know how corporate taxes work. If your employer isn't making a profit, they are not paying taxes.DemDereNads said:
The government doesn't just walk into a business and say "Hey, pay us some damn taxes . . . don't have the money? Then fire a few people!"
Talk about being completely naive, sheesh!
Steve Youngblood
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I don't buy this. I'm not saying that Democrats were sweet little angels throughtout this mess, but I think this line of attack is nothing more than a post-hoc rationale to spin this against the Democrats. Why? Because nobody was arguing this until the Republicans started getting their asses handed to them in the polls once the economic crisis hit its full stride. Prior to that, all I heard was that, despite troubling news, the fundamentals of the economy were still strong.DemDereNads said:
Weak. What you describe is exactly the reason why regulation is needed. It's not the fault of so-called "idiotic home buyers," because lending guidelines were originally designed to make sure that these 'idiots' got weeded out and didn't get loans to begin with.
Fragamemnon
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DemDereNads said:
Traditionally economists have always been one of the more right-leaning groups of the intelligensia, the fact that there are so many self-identified Democrats there is due to disastrious Republican economic stewardship and horror at the party's insistence of politics and ideology over reason. People with education and who work in/believe in science don't currently ID themselves as Republicans for a damn good reason.
CharlieDigital
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Ignatz Mouse said:
Somehow, despite the facts, it's just so intuitive in Republican minds that higher taxes = no jobs.
speculawyer said:
This has been a theme among many conservatives in this thread and the EconiGAF thread. They seem to have no idea how businesses work, how they're funded, and how they're taxed. I think we've been able to educate at least a few of them (PrivateWHudson? TomServo?), but there is still a long ways to go.
Jason's Ultimatum
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speculawyer said:
I have a feeling he's going to get the *** hammer if he keeps up the right wing talking points.
Price Dalton
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DemDereNads said:
Don't you find it interesting that leading economists tend to "identify themselves with democrats"?
Why might that be?
PillowKnight
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This is obviously a result of all these economists being brainwashed by the liberal media, and liberal institutions as well. Everyone knows universities are a haven of liberalism and partly, of communism.Price Dalton said:
Predatory lending went on in the private sector, not with Fannie and Freddie, who took on a greater number of subprime loans only in response (and late at that) to the flood of private lenders doing the same. The timeline is pretty conclusive in that regard -DemDereNads said:
The housing bubble that grossly inflated following 2003 coincides with the rise in unregulated ABSs that allowed lenders to divorce themselves from risk and thus escape fears of defaults. Lending standards dropped accordingly. THAT is the problem, not Fannie and Freddie - they only followed the lead.
Thankfully my buddy understands that, and most economists agree.
CharlieDigital
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zesty said:
That would be antithetical to their world view. It requires critical thinking and actual research.
DemDereNads said:
I not only have a career, I've lived through nearly a dozen Presidents, both Republican and Democrat. I've watched Republicans spend the country into ruin, because they spend more than Democrats AND cut taxes. You can't do both without ruining the country, which they've nearly done.
So take your "You're all students" bullshit and stuff it. Also, maybe you should check your facts before you start shouting about bias, since you've completely misunderstood Obama/Biden's tax plan and are instead regurgitating false Republican talking points.
DemDereNads said:
AAAANNNNNNDD McCains head campaign adviser was on the pay roll of freddie mac til last month and various people in his campaign were given large amounts of money from freddie and Fanny to gain access and influence on McCain. And the notion that the republicans tried to fix this but the democrats blocked it is absolutely ignorant of fact and history. the republicans had full control and a super majority before 2006 and did NOTHING. Yea you can trumpet that bill McCain put his name on a year after the fact, right before election which never got out of committee, but then you will have to face the fact that that bill actually would have deregulated things further and created less oversight, not more.
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