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[Y2Kev]

So my mom is freaking out about the market. She has her retirement plan wrapped up in mutual funds and the market going down really worries her. She's only 45. She called me panicking today and I had to remind her that she was only going to lose out if she sold (or if a company in her portfolio declared bankruptcy or something) and that the best thing to do would be to remain calm and ride it out. And not to look at the market if it makes her sick. This is right, right? IF she's not going to need the money for ~20 years, there's no humanly way she should pull, yes?

Just for my own personal edification, if you could set up a 401k with dollar-matching right now, you should, yes?

 

[yoopoo]

My question to you is, what takes you to these places? There's entire forums online where people discuss the 'sexual' practice of eating shit (don't ask, Im scarred for life) but that doesnt mean the posts are worth quoting.

Gaf does, gaf posts links and I follow. In a topic about eating shit you can post links to that forum...no one should mind.

Nothing wrong with taking a peek into a crazy mindset, its hilarious.

 

[Trakdown]

Palin released her own report just now about Troopergate... and she's cleared of all wrong-doing.

Shocker.

Which will be all the more hilarious if she's not cleared tomorrow.

 

[Blackhead]

I posed this question mid afternoon and early evening:

A question for all those fans who have been following Obama's campaign for a long time:

Can you recall any faux pas made by the campaign or actions that taken that you didn't like?

Has he really run a flawless clean campaign?

And received these responses:

They promised ice cream for all. FOR ALL. Not some! ALL!

FISA cave. And assuming that because they had won Iowa, New Hampshire would simply follow suit. They basically glided into NH after Iowa, did a few high profile stump speeches and expected a win. It was nice to see that attitude change.

Obama has made some poorly worded slips (sweetie-gate, bitter-gate, etc.). I disagree with his FISA position, and wish he were even more progressive on gay marriage.

But from an organizational perspective? I can't think of anything. Everything is playing out the way Obama wanted: he spread the field of red states, his massive ground game registered millions of new voters, leaving public financing is enabling a huge spending advantage and he's surrounded himself with the best campaign managers and strategists out there.

Every time I've questioned a strategic move of Obama's, I've been proven wrong.

I was disappointed in June, after he secured the nomination, when he backed off on his rhetoric against NAFTA. Not because I have strong feelings one way or another about NAFTA, mind you, but just because I did find it to be a moment where he was like every other politician out there. During the Ohio primary, both he and Clinton were trying to appear to be as against NAFTA as possible to win the state, but once he secured the nomination, it became clear that this was more pandering to a specific demographic than in a true belief one way or another about the issue.

FISA was my biggest gripe with Obama, and when he talked about grounding NASA for a few years

He also gets better and better in the debates. I expect his best performance next Wednesday.

It's not a huge issue (well, it is to me) but he was against NASA and the increased funding for the space program (specifically, the Moon/Mars programs).

He then changed his position in April.

-FISA flip-flop to the Team Evil POV
-Not picking our girl Kate for VP
-Not making a Carol McCain ad

FISA and NASA really made me wonder there for a while if I could trust anything he says

Third time, last time and hope nobody minds me spamming the thread. Just hoping every regular sees it. Surprised nobody has mentioned the Samantha Powers 'scandal'. The FISA flip flop though is very common.

 

[Frank the Great]

They believe in talking bushes and snakes, that a drunk can get two of every animal on the planet on a boat.

Fundies believe a whole mess of retarded shit.

As a Christian, the whole Revelations/Armageddon thing is on a completely different level of "crazy" than the creation stories, Moses, etc. At least those can be viewed as parables, meant to teach lessons.

Revelations may not even be referring to the end times, and EVERYONE interprets it in their own way to scare people (and it has been used this way for almost 2000 years.) Really dangerous stuff.

 

[Slurpy]

Those rapture sites are a hoot. Time for me to create an alias and start posting. I wonder how loopy I can post without them figuring out I'm a mole.

Make a post encouraging them to vote Obama, because it will bring us closer to the rapture and is God's will.

 

[ViperVisor]

The Maury Povich thing was Myth....Busted but most of the rest was based on factoids.

And your lovely statement that made me lash out early on today It's not like I needed any more support to call Obama a socialist

 

[Cloudy]

Anyone see the two uber-conservative women on CNN trashing Palin's role and how they are basically using her?

It's amazing.

What's also amazing is how surprisingly... calm various Republican guests are acting instead of foaming at the mouth as usual.

I respect educated, ideological conservatives who back up their arguments with facts..

 

[besada]

That's what I was thinking. Which would render that talking point entirely meaningless.

We're second nominal, fourth from last effective.

The guy either doesn't know what he's talking about, or he's being intentionally dishonest. Businesses in the U.S. pay one of the lowest effective tax rates in the industrialized world.

More importantly, Obama isn't planning on raising corporate taxes anyway, so he's basically making a straw man argument.

 

[Chichikov]

Just for my own personal edification, if you could set up a 401k with dollar-matching right now, you should, yes?

Absolutely.
The dollar matching in its own is enough to offset the market tumble.

 

[CharlieDigital]

You can defend the conservative ideals. You can defend small government ideals. You can defend libertarian ideals. They are all defensible positions which can be backed with political theory and what not.

But how can anyone defend someone like Palin? I mean, seriously, for a moment, separate the ideals from the person representing the ideals.

 

[Gruco]

So my mom is freaking out about the market. She has her retirement plan wrapped up in mutual funds and the market going down really worries her. She's only 45. She called me panicking today and I had to remind her that she was only going to lose out if she sold (or if a company in her portfolio declared bankruptcy or something) and that the best thing to do would be to remain calm and ride it out. And not to look at the market if it makes her sick. This is right, right? IF she's not going to need the money for ~20 years, there's no humanly way she should pull, yes?

Just for my own personal edification, if you could set up a 401k with dollar-matching right now, you should, yes?

Yeah, I'd agree on both counts, particularly the second, but as soon as things recover she should start to make more conservative moves.

 

[Trurl]

Gaf does, gaf posts links and I follow. In a topic about eating shit you can post links to that forum...no one should mind.

Nothing wrong with taking a peek into a crazy mindset, its hilarious.

That forum has pretty sweet emoticons.

 

[no_to_co]

Just for my own personal edification, if you could set up a 401k with dollar-matching right now, you should, yes?

Yes, do it. You do not have to put the money into stocks or a mutual fund (at least that is true in most modern 401K plans) and you can keep it in a money fund, which is now guarantied by the US government. The employer matching is free money to you, so you should take it.

 

[Justin Bailey]

So my mom is freaking out about the market. She has her retirement plan wrapped up in mutual funds and the market going down really worries her. She's only 45. She called me panicking today and I had to remind her that she was only going to lose out if she sold (or if a company in her portfolio declared bankruptcy or something) and that the best thing to do would be to remain calm and ride it out. And not to look at the market if it makes her sick. This is right, right? IF she's not going to need the money for ~20 years, there's no humanly way she should pull, yes?

Just for my own personal edification, if you could set up a 401k with dollar-matching right now, you should, yes?

Your mom shouldn't pull anything.

If you get a company match, set up a 401K. Although pick a safe amount of investments for the time being, and when the market picks back up you can go with more risk.

 

[effzee]

the SNL debate skit was pretty funny.

obama's impersonation is still bad but seemed a bit more on the mark today.

"AYERS IS MY BEST FRIEND! IM TELLING YOU THIS BECAUSE I AM SO FAR AHEAD IT DOES NOT EVEN MATTER NOW".

 

[Slurpy]

Have people seen this? Youtube audio indexing. Pretty sweet. You can search specifically for terms uttered by either candidate, or both, and even for instances within one video.

http://labs.google.com/gaudi

 

[Y2Kev]

I'm only 20 and I'm a student, so I'm not getting a 401k just yet. I was just curious because my friend made a comment (who is 27) about wanting to start a 401k but wanting to put it off because of the market tumble. I thought what he said sounded off, so I wanted to check with the 'xperts.

 

[Zeliard]

Surprised nobody has mentioned the Samantha Powers 'scandal'.

Probably because it has nothing to do with Obama himself or any of his policies.

 

[Nabs]

:lol :lol @ the email I just got from Obama

Dear N****,

If your family isn't already supporting Barack, it's time for you to have "The Talk."

With so many rumors and misperceptions out there, it's incredibly important that you sit down with parents or other family members. Tell them who Barack is, what he stands for, and why you're supporting him.

Not a bad idea. I've seen some of you guys talk about your families and I guess a lot of people could use this.

 

[Tamanon]

I'm only 20 and I'm a student, so I'm not getting a 401k just yet. I was just curious because my friend made a comment (who is 27) about wanting to start a 401k but wanting to put it off because of the market tumble. I thought what he said sounded off, so I wanted to check with the 'xperts.

There's no reason not to invest in a 401(k) right now if you can afford it.

 

[scorcho]

I posed this question mid afternoon and early evening:

And received these responses:









Third time, last time and hope nobody minds me spamming the thread. Just hoping every regular sees it. Surprised nobody has mentioned the Samantha Powers 'scandal'. The FISA flip flop though is very common.

I think I was the only one on poligaf who flipped out about Samantha Powers. Read 'A Problem from Hell' a while back and it forced me to rethink my own views on American obligations/leadership during humanitarian crisis. It's good stuff, and I have her latest book on de Mello on queue.

It was crude how quickly Obama dumped her after the 'monster' remark, but I'm hoping she manages to regain some influence in a future Obama administration.

 

[yoopoo]

Another gem from rr-bb.com, on the topic of factcheck.org

It's not a great site. It tends to be very Obama-friendly.

All of my liberal friends rebut using FacTCheck.

It takes a little work, but you can rebut FactCheck. You just have to dig a little because FactCheck doesn't go very deep. Look for good, deep columns and articles that go beyond the nice sounding stuff that FactCheck deems good enough.

http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=63264

 

[Gattsu25]

Gattsu25 today has released the results of his own investigation in the Spoonergate investigation. According to his report, he is innocent of all charges and doesn't roll that way. More to come in the coming days.

 

[Death_Born]

Those rapture sites are a hoot. Time for me to create an alias and start posting. I wonder how loopy I can post without them figuring out I'm a mole.

Do it! And don't forget to pick a name like "LoveAmerica" and an eagle avatar (or something really sappy, like a Disney movie or Kinkade gift catalog) :lol

 

[kkaabboomm]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/us/10trooper.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

has this been posted yet?
Palins Repeatedly Pressed Case Against Trooper

Ms. Palin has denied that anyone told Mr. Monegan to dismiss Mr. Wooten, or that the commissioner’s ouster had anything to do with the trooper. But an examination of the case, based on interviews with Mr. Monegan and several top aides, indicates that, to a far greater degree than was previously known, the governor, her husband and her administration pressed the commissioner and his staff to get Mr. Wooten off the force, though without directly ordering it.

i hope the troopergate official report has the same conclusion

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

Those rapture sites are a hoot. Time for me to create an alias and start posting. I wonder how loopy I can post without them figuring out I'm a mole.

Were you raised in an evangelical/pentecostal church? Do you know much about pre-millenial eschatology? Can you quote Bible verses?

If you can't, then I'm afraid you won't last very long. Forums like these have about a thousand different subtle shibboleths that allow them to distinguish their own from an outsider coming in to troll.

 

[JB1981]

I want to share something with GAF that was forwarded via email around the offices at work today.

BEWARE!! THINK HARD & USE COMMON SENSE!10:25AMOct 9th 2008
To All My Friends, this is long, but every important, please take the time to read it.


This election has me very worried. So many things to consider. About a year ago I would have voted for Obama. I have changed my mind three times since than. I watch all the news channels, jumping from one to another. I must say this drives my husband crazy. But, I feel if you view MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News, you might get some middle ground to work with. About six months ago, I started thinking 'where did the money come from for Obama'. I have four daughters who went to College, and we were middle class, and money was tight. We (including my girls) worked hard and there were lots of student loans.

I started looking into Obama's life.


Around 1979 Obama started college at Occidental in California. He is very open about his two years at Occidental, he tried all kinds of drugs and was wasting his time but, even though he had a brilliant mind, did not apply himself to his studies. 'Barry' (that was the name he used all his life) during this time had two roommates, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, both from Pakistan. During the summer of 1981, after his second year in college, he made a 'round the world' trip. Stopping to see his mother in Indonesia, next Hyderabad in India, three weeks in Karachi, Pakistan where he stayed with his roommate's family, then off to Africa to visit his father's family.



My question - Where did he get the money for this trip?

Nether I, nor any one of my children would have had money for a trip like this when they were in college. When he came back he started school at Columbia University in New York. It is at th is time he wants everyone to call him Barack - not Barry. Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia? It's not cheap to say the least! Where did he get money for tuition? Student Loans? Maybe. After Columbia, he went to Chicago to work as a Community Organizer for $12,000 a year. Why Chicago? Why not New York? He was already living in New York.


By 'chance' he met Antoin 'Tony' Rezko, born in Aleppo Syria, and a real estate developer in Chicago. Rezko has been convicted of fraud and bribery this year. Rezko, was named 'Entrepreneur of the Decade' by the Arab-American Business and Professional Association'. About two years later, Obama entered Harvard Law School. Do you have any idea what tuition is for Harvard Law School? Where did he get the money for Law School? More student loans? After Law school, he went back to Chicago. Rezko offered him a job, which he turned down. But, he did take a job with Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland. Guess what? They represented 'Reza r' which is Rezko's firm. Rezko was one of Obama's first major financial contributors when he ran for office in Chicago. In 2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser for Obama which Chicago Tribune reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing Obama with 'seed money' for his U.S. Senate race. In 2005, Obama purchased a new home in Kenwoo! od District of Chicago for $1.65 million (less than asking price). With ALL those Student Loans - Where did he get the money for the property? On the same day Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty lot for full price. The London Times reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire loaned Rezko $3.5 million three weeks before Obama's new home was purchased. Obama met Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko.



Now, we have Obama running for President. Valerie Jarrett, was Michele Obama's boss. She is now Obama's chief advisor and he does not make any major decisions without talking to her first.


Wher e was Jarrett born? Ready for this? Shiraz, Iran! Do we see a pattern here? Or am I going crazy?
On May 10, 2008 The Times reported, Robert Malley, advisor to Obama, was 'sacked' after the press found out he was having regular contacts with 'Hamas', which controls Gaza and is connected with Iran. This past week, buried in the back part of the papers, Iraqi newspapers reported that during Obama's visit to Iraq, he asked their leaders to do nothing about the war until after he is elected, and he will 'Take care of things'.


Oh, and by the way, remember the college roommates that were born in Pakistan? They are in charge of all those 'small' Internet campaign contributions for Obama.


Where is that money coming from? The poor and middle class in this country? Or could it be from the Middle East?
And the final bit of news. On September 7, 2008, The Washington Times posted a verbal slip that was made on 'This Week' with George Stephanapoulos. Obama on talking a bout his religion said, 'My Muslim faith'. When questioned, 'he made a mistake'.


Some mistake!

Now the BIG question - If I found out all this information on my own, Why haven't all of our 'intelligent' members of the press been reporting this?
A phrase that keeps ringing in my ear - 'Beware of the enemy from within'!!!

** my brother just got this .. and forwarded to my inbox 2 minutes ago with the subject heading: 'Interesting.' LOL

 

[reilo]

:lol :lol @ the email I just got from Obama



Not a bad idea. I've seen some of you guys talk about your families and I guess a lot of people could use this.

Whatup N****??

Spoiler

Oh, come on! I wasn't the only one that thought of it!

 

[nyong]

Bush doesn't get nearly enough credit. He's a fairly bright guy. He's NOT intellectually curious, which is his biggest problem. He operates on gut instinct instead of information, which makes him dangerous. He's more than capable of making an intelligent, reasoned decision, though. His SAT score is proof of that.

Palin is just dumb. I figured slightly averagish, which is not intelligent enough for a VP. If that SAT score is right, she's likely below average. It's no wonder she's not allowed to say anything other than rehearsed talking points.

 

[HylianTom]

I respect educated, ideological conservatives who back up their arguments with facts..

I hear plenty of people saying that the GOP will be forced to re-build after a catastrophic defeat (such as the one shaping-up to happen this year), but I wonder:
will the party be re-built in this manner, with real intellectuals re-taking the helm of the party?

I'd love to see it happen, but at the same time I wonder what happens to those who are currently the base of the party. The ignorant rednecks.. the unbending evangelicals.. the xenophobes.. the naive "liberals-are-gonna-take-my-gun" fanatics.. - where do these folks go? For some reason, I don't see them simply shutting-up and fading into the background.

 

[Zeliard]

:lol :lol @ the email I just got from Obama



Not a bad idea. I've seen some of you guys talk about your families and I guess a lot of people could use this.

I liked the Biden e-mail too:

The McCain campaign is on the ropes, and sadly it's no surprise they're responding with attacks and outright lies.

I've heard some pretty unspeakable things in the past few days -- deeply offensive smears that we'll hear over and over again until Election Day.

John McCain and Governor Palin are setting a new low in presidential politics with their dishonorable campaign.

:lol

Beatdown.

 

[scorcho]

This election is likely to make the right's base even more committed that a centrist stance does nothing for them electorally, and will go back to full fundie mode.

Behold the Democratic majority.

 

[electricpirate]

Third time, last time and hope nobody minds me spamming the thread. Just hoping every regular sees it. Surprised nobody has mentioned the Samantha Powers 'scandal'. The FISA flip flop though is very common.

You mean calling Hillary a monster? I agreed :lol

I've defined my support through monetary contributions, if he does something shitty I withold cash. not that he needs my 20 bucks.

Some tings that have caused me to hold back, Fisa, campaign finance flip flop, McCain can't email ad.

Generally he then wins back my support by being kickass in the debate, giving good speeches, or laying out solid policy positions. I remember once I made an angry post about his economy plan lacking regulation for the shadow markets, then the next day he started talking about new regulation for the financial markets.

 

[speculawyer]

But how can anyone defend someone like Palin? I mean, seriously, for a moment, separate the ideals from the person representing the ideals.

Do you need any more reason than this?

 

[agrajag]

 

[CharlieDigital]

I'd love to see it happen, but at the same time I wonder what happens to those who are currently the base of the party. The ignorant rednecks.. the unbending evangelicals.. the xenophobes.. the naive "liberals-are-gonna-take-my-gun" fanatics.. - where do these folks go? For some reason, I don't see them simply shutting-up and fading into the background.

That Rednecks for Obama site has the best retort to this: http://rednecks4obama.com/page3.php

"I don't care about his beer, I care about his intelligence"

"We've had many democratic presidents, and we will still have our guns"

"He is brilliant. And he's not an elitist, though he has the education to be"

-Tony Viessman​

 

[scorcho]

Don't disgrace Don Quixote by sticking McCain on there!

 

[Gruco]

Third time, last time and hope nobody minds me spamming the thread. Just hoping every regular sees it. Surprised nobody has mentioned the Samantha Powers 'scandal'. The FISA flip flop though is very common.

The Samantha Powers thing was infuriating. The single most unfortunate casualty of the primary campaign.

 

[speculawyer]

Do it! And don't forget to pick a name like "LoveAmerica" and an eagle avatar (or something really sappy, like a Disney movie or Kinkade gift catalog) :lol

JesusLuv :lol

 

[Bulla564]

Damage control for TROOPER-GATE report tomorrow?

FRIDAY WASHINGTON TIMES STORY via Drudge

WASH TIMES Friday: Obama secretly tried to sway Iraqi government to ignore Bush deal on keeping troops in Iraq... Developing...

:lol :lol They already tried that shit and felt flat on its face.

They really are going down the list of distorted attacks.

Here was the previous Obama response:

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hi9TDNHvuBZpFsO8ZbiFYsnbIl3A

 

[CharlieDigital]

Damage control for TROOPER-GATE report tomorrow?

FRIDAY WASHINGTON TIMES STORY via Drudge

:lol :lol They already tried that shit and felt flat on its face.

They really are going down the list of distorted attacks.

Here was the previous Obama response:

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hi9TDNHvuBZpFsO8ZbiFYsnbIl3A

I was going to say: that story is already old.

 

[agrajag]

Don't disgrace Don Quixote by sticking McCain on there!

"Alonso Quixano, a retired country gentleman in his forties, lives in an unnamed section of La Mancha with his niece and a housekeeper. He has become obsessed with books of chivalry, and believes their every word to be true, despite the fact that many of the events in them are clearly impossible. Quixano eventually appears to other people to have lost his mind"

 

[Crisis]

Hey guys. I just saw it on this page right here and it reminded me that I meant to ask a question in regards to Barack Obama. I know that earlier this year he voted to extend what Bush is doing in regards to FISA and the like. I also know that he did it as part of a broader package. My question is this: Has he indicated whether or not he would continue utilizing the bullshit that the Bush administration is doing in regards to illegally tapping telephone lines, reading email etc?

 

[electricpirate]

I want to share something with GAF that was forwarded via email around the offices at work today.

Rich Smooth Creamy Shit

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/money.asp

Full of other bullshit too, like the weird tone it takes about student loans. So conspirtorial!

 

[Lv99 Slacker]

Are those autobiographical comics out yet? What's the publisher?

 

[scorcho]

But somehow it means more since it hopped slowly from one Republi-rag to another. Next - McCain will seize on a WSJ op-ed that argues how dangerous Obama is.

 

[speculawyer]

Just for my own personal edification, if you could set up a 401k with dollar-matching right now, you should, yes?

Absolutely! This is a great time to start. Sure . . . it is possible to go down a few hundred more points but we have to be pretty close to the bottom.

You are crazy if you have the opportunity to do this and you do not do it.

 

[scorcho]

"Alonso Quixano, a retired country gentleman in his forties, lives in an unnamed section of La Mancha with his niece and a housekeeper. He has become obsessed with books of chivalry, and believes their every word to be true, despite the fact that many of the events in them are clearly impossible. Quixano eventually appears to other people to have lost his mind"

On the surface, but Quixote is driven by unrequited love and his innocence grounds the silliness of his actions and fantasies! There's no comparison! Leave!

heh.

 

[Y2Kev]

I appreciate your help. Frankly I find it sort of upsetting that the government does not mandate basic finance courses for all citizens. Then again, if people were on the up and up, I guess it'd be easier to fleece people on their retirement accounts with 90% lehman bros stock.