PoliGAF 2nd Pres. Debate 2008 Thread (DOW dropping, Biden is off to Home Depot)
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numble said:
From 538's experience at a Palin rally in Ohio.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/on-road-dueling-rallies-ohio.html
The fuck? I kept waiting for the punchline. :lol :lol :lol
Yep. I don't entirely object to Hiroshima, tyhough I think Nagasaki was disgustingly unneccesary. I'm only saying, the idea of Japan surrendering wasn't out of the question, with patience it likely would've happened.Hitokage said:
Plus, it's not like they were in any position to counterattack or something, they were essentially no longer a threat to us (not that they were ever really a threat to anything except our "interests, and Hawaii/our Pacific bases.)
Hitokage said:
The notion of collateral damage in a just war is not an easy one to stomach, but I understand and accept it, such that my criticism of such events usually hangs on that "just" part.
The notion of deliberately picking civilian targets is not one that we should ever accept, or ever forgive.
Freedom = $1.05
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Not to stray further from the topic but Dresden was absolutely terrible in both it's destruction and need. It was unnecessary. There really was no excuse for it.
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JayDubya said:
"I've been trying to tell 'em!"
JayDubya said:
What I'm getting at is: so you'd still "enslave" American citizens for the war effort?
Because, you know, saying that you would have prevented the attack from happening if given the power earlier is a cop-out when examining your position on the draft and whether it can be necessary under extreme circumstances. If you think it can be necessary, I would wonder why you're so vocal about it having been a despicable act in WW2, and if you think it should never be used then I'd hope that you recognize the consequences of that position for the world and for the US.
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Well, I live out west, I'd say you live up north.hokahey said:
But yeah I may spend some time in those forums because I really want MO to turn blue this year. Have you been volunteering for the campaign? It's a lot of fun.
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numble said:
From 538's experience at a Palin rally in Ohio.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/on-road-dueling-rallies-ohio.html
If that's not a white flag I don't know what is.
EviLore said:
Ah, that's what you were getting at: the draft re: WW2.
In that case, no, absolutely not.
I said it above and I meant it. A just cause has no shortage of volunteers. A job that pays well has plenty of applicants. Between these two statements, a slave soldier should not be needed. If slave soldiers are needed, perhaps the merits of that cause require reexamining.
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Fox318 said:
Is Paulson trying fix the economy by blinding it with his bald head.
Well bald is cheap. Think about all the money you'd save from not going to the barbershop!
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Saint Gregory said:
McCain's campaign has been throwing a few of them recently. It's surprising.
I really think that McCain knows in his gut that he's lost this.
BenjaminBirdie
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I thiiiiiink....
Matthews was about to slug Buchanan.
Matthews was about to slug Buchanan.
Tyrone Slothrop
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i have to give it up for mccain for standing up to the crowd. props.
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devilhawk said:
Just wanted to go back to the surge issue.
The Sunni Arab community in Anbar Province had already begun to organize against Al Qaeda long before the surge. Zarqawi's successor wanted to create an islamic state, and dismissed Sunni insurgents as infidels. The Sunnis retaliated, so Abu Risha and other Sunni tribesmen went to U.S. commanders to ask for weapons, thus resulting to the Sunni Awakening. By spring of 2007, long before the surge was fully in affect, the sunnis pushed back Al Qaeda, something U.S. troops couldn't do in years.
What happened next was that the U.S. military and Iraq replicated the sucess of the Sunni Awakening in Bagdad. The U.S. and the Iraqis had a helping hand with the ethnic cleansing in Bagdad. These neighborhoods were once Shia/Sunni mixed communities, but now consisted of either all Sunni or Shia communities. Soon later, Sunnis fled Iraq to neighboring countries. This allowed General Petraeus to use the extra troops from the surge and to establish a "neighborhood containment", building 16 foot barries in local communties to prevent outsiders from entering and root out any terrorists in hiding.
Another variable that reduced violence in Bagdad was the struggle in Najaf and Karbala between the Badr Brigade and Sadr's Mahdi Army. Sadr's Mahdi Army broke into various gangs and Sadr lost all control of his men, so Sadr called for a ceasefire agreement. Weeks later, the violence dropped. From then on, the Iraqi military were allowed to focus more on Diyala and Basra.
So if anything, it was the Sunni Awakening and the ceasefire from Sadr's army that reduced the violence in Iraq. What would've happened if the surge never happened? Hard to say, but I think nothing would've changed. Only difference would be that General Petraeus would have less troops to work with in using the Sunni Awakening strategy.
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Tyrone Slothrop said:
Seeing the footage...man. My heart almost goes out to the guy. This is so clearly out of his hands.
Some good early voting and registration numbers tricking out of Ohio. Nothing state-wide, but some individual county reports.
Nearly 8.2 million people are on the voter rolls in Ohio, including 665,949 added this year, Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner announced yesterday after Monday's registration deadline.
That means 94 percent of eligible voters in Ohio are registered, based on U.S. Census Bureau estimates.
Brunner predicts turnout of 80 percent, which would mean 6.5 million Ohioans casting ballots. By comparison, 5.7 million voted in the 2004 presidential election.
Absentee voting in Ohio started Sept. 30. Most of the partisans who have voted early in Franklin County are Democrats, according to data provided by the county elections board. Of the 9,280 people who had cast absentee ballots in person as of Monday, 3 percent were registered Republicans and 39 percent were Democrats, records show. The rest were unaffiliated.
Of the 2,097 people who also registered to vote before casting an absentee ballot in Franklin County, two-thirds were younger than 34 and nearly 80 percent were from Columbus.
Statewide totals weren't available, but a check of the five counties with the most voters showed that of the nearly 28,500 people who had voted in person in those counties since Sept. 30, more than 5,200 also registered in that time frame.
Nearly 8.2 million people are on the voter rolls in Ohio, including 665,949 added this year, Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner announced yesterday after Monday's registration deadline.
That means 94 percent of eligible voters in Ohio are registered, based on U.S. Census Bureau estimates.
Brunner predicts turnout of 80 percent, which would mean 6.5 million Ohioans casting ballots. By comparison, 5.7 million voted in the 2004 presidential election.
Absentee voting in Ohio started Sept. 30. Most of the partisans who have voted early in Franklin County are Democrats, according to data provided by the county elections board. Of the 9,280 people who had cast absentee ballots in person as of Monday, 3 percent were registered Republicans and 39 percent were Democrats, records show. The rest were unaffiliated.
Of the 2,097 people who also registered to vote before casting an absentee ballot in Franklin County, two-thirds were younger than 34 and nearly 80 percent were from Columbus.
Statewide totals weren't available, but a check of the five counties with the most voters showed that of the nearly 28,500 people who had voted in person in those counties since Sept. 30, more than 5,200 also registered in that time frame.
He knew what he was doing. Now it's snowballing. I can't sympathize with him.BenjaminBirdie said:
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Zeliard said:
I wonder how much of this backtracking is the result of Obama challenging him to bring these issues up during next week's debate? McCain's camp has to realize that he'd be the first candidate to ever get booed during a televised debate if he dared to.
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BenjaminBirdie said:
Please. He knew this was coming.
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:/ well, its past due. Given the last two weeks of his campaign, I think he's about to start doing what he can to set up the Palin 2012, which they will convince themselves is a good ideaTyrone Slothrop said:
BenjaminBirdie
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Well, I said "almost".
The Lamonster said:
How is St. Charles county north?
I've been volunteering when i can, but I have a wife and two kids and ZERO free time except when I'm at work ironically enough, like right now.
I've donated money and have my yard sign and bumper stickers.
I also spend a lot of time talking to people on line and off presenting Obama's positions.
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Fireblend said:
Where are you guys watching this?
XxenobladerxX
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Shit just got real on hard ball.
"I didn't go to jail like most of the people who worked with you for Richard Nixon."
"I didn't go to jail like most of the people who worked with you for Richard Nixon."
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How about just a general list of the presidents you do admire, Jay?JayDubya said:
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I guess that's how he felt on the Daily Show :lol3rdman said:
Pat has been geting hit at both sides for his comments recently. I think hes just trying to describe the political side of the McCain attacks while everyone else is saying what its doing for this country. Regardless I think McCain's statements recently have shown that he does not run his campaign. The people who jumped off Bush have planted themselves on Palin.XxenobladerxX said:
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