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PoliGAF 2nd Pres. Debate 2008 Thread (DOW dropping, Biden is off to Home Depot)

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Jenga

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M3wThr33 said:
What? HOW? I missed that. How did the GOP say anything GOOD out of that?
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some shill on MSNBC was claiming the report vindicated Sarah Palin

apparently he claimed the firing was still lawful or something thus palin is innocent


also, he went and claimed everyone who published the report was an obama supporter.

yes, even the 10 republicans
 
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Macam

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Vennt said:
No don't, seriously don't - Any future abortion-related derailments of PoliGAF's election threads are going to be met with bans so dictatorial that even the anarchists will start crying for a mommy-state.

HEED THIS WARNING.
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It may have been long overdue, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate the action any less. Thanks for doing that.

Oh, and a big :lol at that McConnell ad. What in god's name was that?
 
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Gruco

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Awesome man, somebody re-post the link to that article explaining why your donations are better spent on Senate races...
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Stoney's earlier post (abridged, reboldified):

http://election.princeton.edu/2008/10/10/a-hard-look-at-reality-and-what-you-should-do/#more-1773
In general, any contribution you make to a strongly leading or trailing candidate makes little difference in the outcome. It’s like voting in Massachusetts or Utah: whether you do or don’t essentially makes no difference in the outcome. The same is true for campaign contributions. In the best of worlds, $100 to Obama-Biden or McCain-Palin would move the national win probability by an infinitesimal amount. Even 0.00001% would be an overstatement.

The place to make a difference is at the margins. Take the Georgia race, in which incumbent Republican Saxby Chambliss is defending his seat. In 2002, Chambliss won office by tarring Vietnam war hero and triple-amputee Max Cleland with an alleged sympathy for Osama bin Laden. Now Chambliss is fighting for his political life, and is in a dead heat with Democratic challenger Jim Martin. If you had the choice of driving voters to the polls in Georgia or in South Carolina, you’d be dead wrong to pick South Carolina. By the same token, a contribution in Georgia, but not South Carolina, might make a small difference in the outcome.

What your contribution buys. The outcome of the 2008 campaign determines the size of the working majorities in next year’s Congress. Next year, top priorities for any President and Congress will be the war in Iraq, the financial meltdown, health care, and global warming. It will be an unenviable and enormously difficult task. If Obama wins, as I expect he will, what he accomplishes will depend critically on how many votes he has in Congress. Whether you are a Democrat or a Republican, your point of leverage in this process is the Senate, where a minority of 41 can stop a bill from becoming a law.
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Son of Godzilla

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Xeke said:
Shooting shit is fun. Target shooting is fun. Please tell me all the positive sides of legal tobacco or Bacardi 151.
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Last I checked the danger caused by tobacco and alcohol are inflicted upon the person having the fun. And when there is even a chance they aren't... OH HEY, WE HAVE LAWS AGAINST THAT. Guns are a stupid.
 
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Saint Gregory

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I really, really don't understand what's going on within the McCain campaign. Don't they understand that to continue these attacks after McCain said just yesterday that he wanted to change the tone just makes him look like he can't even lead his own subordinates?
 
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Jenga

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Saint Gregory said:
I really, really don't understand what's going on within the McCain campaign.
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General Chaos and mass panic. They know their chances of winning are getting slimmer every day.
 
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teruterubozu

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Saint Gregory said:
I really, really don't understand what's going on within the McCain campaign. Don't they understand that to continue these attacks after McCain said just yesterday that he wanted to change the tone just makes him look like he can't even lead his own subordinates?
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McCain's campaign has been hijacked by stupid insiders making ridiculous decisions - Palin-pick, cancelling the debate, ugly attacks, etc. It's out of control. It just goes to show how shitty a leader McCain is. He's just a feeble old man.
 
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M3wThr33

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Saint Gregory said:
I really, really don't understand what's going on within the McCain campaign. Don't they understand that to continue these attacks after McCain said just yesterday that he wanted to change the tone just makes him look like he can't even lead his own subordinates?
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I don't think his own party cares. They're doing everything at this point, even hypocritical statements and policies, in hope that people only get one side of it.
 
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Xeke

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Son of Godzilla said:
Last I checked the danger caused by tobacco and alcohol are inflicted upon the person having the fun. And when there is even a chance they aren't... OH HEY, WE HAVE LAWS AGAINST THAT. Guns are a stupid.
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In an alcohol related crash the drunk driver is far more likely to survive than any innocents. And that has killed thousands.
 
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MrHicks

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EmCeeGramr said:
Fun fact: some Hindus consider Buddha to be a god; an avatar of Vishnu. Same with Jesus!
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they included him to the hindu pantheon as a method in the old days to damage control the rising popularity of buddhism in those days
 
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Cloudy

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http://www.albertleatribune.com/news/2008/oct/11/column-best-times-worst-times-rest-times/

Your broker kept saying, “Stay with the portfolio, don’t jump ship,” and you felt a strong urge to dump the stocks and get into the money market where at least you’re not going to lose your shirt, but you didn’t do it and didn’t do it, and now you’re holding a big bag of brown bananas. Me, too. But at least I know enough not to believe desperate people who are talking trash. Anybody who got whacked last week and still thinks McCain-Palin is going to lead us out of the swamp and not into a war with Iran is beyond persuasion in the English language. They’ll need to lose their homes and be out on the street in a cold hard rain before they connect the dots.
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EmCeeGramr

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Superman00 said:
:lol , the guys is praying for a fight between the gods.
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"Dear Lord,

"The other gods are calling you chicken. I know you don't put up with that shit. I know you ain't a buster. You could fuck their shit up if you wanted to. So show them bitches what's what. If Oh-Bamma wins the election, then Hindu and Buddha will win.

"What do you mean, 'Obama's a Christian,' don't you read the news, God? Here, God, lemme show you this e-mail I got. Get Jesus over here too, I hear He's been all idealistic and brainwashed like the other young men.

"Amen."
 
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Superman00

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EmCeeGramr said:
"Dear Lord,

"The other gods are calling you chicken. I know you don't put up with that shit. I know you ain't a buster. You could fuck their shit up if you wanted to. So show them bitches what's what. If Oh-Bamma wins the election, then Hindu and Buddha will win.

"What do you mean, 'Obama's a Christian,' don't you read the news, God? Here, God, lemme show you this e-mail I got. Get Jesus over here too, I hear He's been all idealistic and brainwashed like the other young men.

"Amen."
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It's like elementary school or something, " my god can beat up your god.":lol
 
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Son of Godzilla

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Xeke said:
In an alcohol related crash the drunk driver is far more likely to survive than any innocents. And that has killed thousands.
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And in shootings the person doing the shooting usually isn't the person getting shot. See the thing is though, the laws don't suddenly pop up when you hit someone with a fucking car, they pop up when you fucking get behind the wheel drunk. Draw your own equivalence.
 
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Bishman

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How the fuck do you shut up your friends who say Obama is a socialist. This is really pisses me off.

This is how I know you've been blindsided by his liberal smooth-talk. You honestly don't know how is policies are socialist? Anytime a government wants to take control, it's a step towards socialism. He wants bigger government. That's what Democrats are all about, especially the hard-line liberal one. You should know his voting record, which should also tell you how far to the left he is.

Income redistribution is socialist.

Universal health care is socialist. You cannot possibly deny this, ever. This is probably the biggest piece of this puzzle.

Throwing a wrench into private enterprise and the free market is anti capitalism.


You can twist these around however you want to make it look like he doesn't have socialist ideologies, but if you actually know your candidate and how far to the left he's always been, and how far to the left his poker buddies have been, you should know where his mind is.
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ryutaro's mama

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Bishman said:
How the fuck do you shut up your friends who say Obama is a socialist. This is really pisses me off.
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700 Billion dollar bailouts are socialist.

Government buying up bad morgagaes is socialist.

And John McCain supports both of these.
 
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Tamanon

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Bishman said:
How the fuck do you shut up your friends who say Obama is a socialist. This is really pisses me off.
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Well you could make the argument that government itself is a balance between socialism and capitalism. And then ask him what McCain's mortgage plan is.
 
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soul creator

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Jenga said:
General Chaos and mass panic. They know their chances of winning are getting slimmer every day.
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best game ever

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Cloudy

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Bishman said:
How the fuck do you shut up your friends who say Obama is a socialist. This is really pisses me off.
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Tell them Bush is a fucking socialist! What the hell do they think this bailout is? How about the upcoming nationalization of banks? Or McCain's plan to bailout mortgage lenders? :lol
 
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Xeke

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Son of Godzilla said:
And in shootings the person doing the shooting usually isn't the person getting shot. See the thing is though, the laws don't suddenly pop up when you hit someone with a fucking car, they pop up when you fucking get behind the wheel drunk. Draw your own equivalence.
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It's just as illegal to try to shoot somebody as it is to drive drunk. You aren't a killer once you buy a gun and you aren't a drunk driver when you buy beer.
 
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FlyinJ

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Bishman said:
How the fuck do you shut up your friends who say Obama is a socialist. This is really pisses me off.
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Tell your friend to visit Spain. Then when he comes back, tell him to ask you the question again.
 
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FlyinJ

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Cloudy said:
Tell them Bush is a fucking socialist! What the hell do they think this bailout is? How about the upcoming nationalization of banks? :lol
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Nationalization of banks in a capitalist society? That's actually fascism, not socialism.
 
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giga

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Bishman said:
How the fuck do you shut up your friends who say Obama is a socialist. This is really pisses me off.
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obama's healthcare isn't as socialist as many people make it out to be. it's far from 1990s universal healthcare push.
 
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Cloudy

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We are 24 days from the election and the Republican VP has give THREE interviews and ZERO press conferences. WTF is happening to this country?

They might have got away with making her look credible if not for Katie Couric :lol
 
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Chichikov

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Cloudy said:
The only difference is that Obama's "socialism" is for the poor and middle-class not corporations!
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Slightly OT, but I hate the term Corporate Socialism.
Not only is it rather meaningless (not to mention has nothing to do with socialism) it also accepts the conservative framing that social ideas (as in social-democracy) are inherently bad.
 
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Saint Gregory

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Bishman said:
How the fuck do you shut up your friends who say Obama is a socialist. This is really pisses me off.
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You could mention that a republican president and a republican congress created the largest government bureaucracy in the history of the U.S.A. : The Department of Homeland Security. It even has a Socio-Commie-Fascist ring to it :)
 
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Tyrone Slothrop

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Cloudy said:
We are 24 days from the election and the Republican VP has give THREE interviews and ZERO press conferences. WTF is happening to this country?

They might have got away with making her look credible if not for Katie Couric :lol
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the irony is in "we don't know the real barack obama" and we need to "ask unanswered questions" about him.

but once we ask anything about her....
 
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besada

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Son of Godzilla said:
Last I checked the danger caused by tobacco and alcohol are inflicted upon the person having the fun. And when there is even a chance they aren't... OH HEY, WE HAVE LAWS AGAINST THAT. Guns are a stupid.
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There are more alcohol related car deaths per year than there are firearm deaths. So no, alcohol isn't any less dangerous to innocent bystanders.
 
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bob_arctor

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Bishman said:
How the fuck do you shut up your friends who say Obama is a socialist. This is really pisses me off.
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Income redistribution is socialist.

Universal health care is socialist. You cannot possibly deny this, ever. This is probably the biggest piece of this puzzle.

Throwing a wrench into private enterprise and the free market is anti capitalism.
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That's some awesome shit right there. Zelda puzzles carry more weight than this nonsense. And don't you dare deny it because you can't possibly. Ever. :lol

Look, your friend's an idiot. There's no real way of shutting him up aside from physically doing so yourself and since that's out of the question, you can always just go along with the gag and declare yourself a willing cog in the machine that is Obama and that he too will see the light when the big, hoary arms of government reach down to embrace us all.
 
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firex

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Cloudy said:
We are 24 days from the election and the Republican VP has give THREE interviews and ZERO press conferences. WTF is happening to this country?

They might have got away with making her look credible if not for Katie Couric :lol
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Every time they do a mock press conference to see if she's ready to give one, she gets up there and says "I hate Obama and all ni-" and gets cut off and taken offstage by her handlers.

no, I'm just kidding. they just don't want her to deal with the gotcha ambush media and all their questions, and wanting answers.
 
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greepoman

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Cloudy said:
We are 24 days from the election and the Republican VP has give THREE interviews and ZERO press conferences. WTF is happening to this country?

They might have got away with making her look credible if not for Katie Couric :lol
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Maybe if they weren't such meanies to her and ask her irrelevent questions.

They need to ask the important questions like:
-Why does Obama hate America so much ?
-Why doesn't Obama want us to win in Iraq?
-How do you manage to look so good while fighting corruption and evil all day?

Paraphrase from Hannity's interview, but you get the idea :lol
 
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