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PoliGAF General Election Thread of Conventions (Sarah Palin McCain VP Pick)
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I agree, but that is not how it is going to be played in the media. Clinton could defend herself, and even she had stories circulating about how she was being unfairly treated in the media, and that Barack's attacks against her were sexist.reilo said:
This is what I don't get about feminists. They want to be equal to men, but when they are challenged they immediately play lame duck and cry foul, and neuter the situation by playing the gender card.
...in the end she's just a VP, but this VP selection is the only interesting thing to come out of the McCain camp aside from their "political" ads.
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A couple of articles I read said that the only real danger for Biden is that if he destroys her too much in the debate it could come across as him bullying her and be unsympathetic. It does seem like a grossly comical mismatch, particularly when it inevitably comes to foreign policy and national security issues. This ain't a bake sale.reilo said:
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laserbeam said:
Bill Maher will be ruthless.
soul creator
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jack cafferty just said CNN last night had higher ratings than the F-Word network and "MSNBRQZ"
wtf :lol
wtf :lol
TheGrayGhost
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Well, I'm absorbing some of the media interpretation, and I guess this pick is "electrifying the base!"
Whatever floats their boat. That woman, in her speech, sounded like WAY, WAY, WAY, WAY out of her element. A complete joke. We'll see how it goes, but I'm surprised the response hasn't been more skeptical.
Whatever floats their boat. That woman, in her speech, sounded like WAY, WAY, WAY, WAY out of her element. A complete joke. We'll see how it goes, but I'm surprised the response hasn't been more skeptical.
Chiggs
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Riddler said:
Valid point for sure. We'll see how this all plays out. I'm certainly not saying McCain's VP choice was a stroke of strategic genius, but I see why he's doing it. It's not rock-solid, but it's not exactly unsound, either.
I think this election is going to be close as hell, and it's also going to be historically epic. You're living in interesting times, people.
Of course, I believe that's also an ancient Chinese curse. :lol
Chiggs said:
Since you brought up the abortion issue, I have a side question...correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't in-vitro also kill fertilized embryos? In fact couldn't you view it as worse than abortion since you're killing many embryos? If abortion ever got outlawed would in-vitro be next?
BenjaminBirdie
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Anyone see that MCNBC text poll? (NOTE: This is not a Hardball Liberal Audience Poll, they've been polling this ALL DAY)
30Something% Think Palin Will Help McCain's Chances
60Something% Think Palin Will Hurt McCain's Chances
If it was close, I'd say maybe this could go either way, because hey, this is a fucking text poll, but those numbers can't be swung that much.
Total disaster. As far as that post from this morning went, can I laugh now?
30Something% Think Palin Will Help McCain's Chances
60Something% Think Palin Will Hurt McCain's Chances
If it was close, I'd say maybe this could go either way, because hey, this is a fucking text poll, but those numbers can't be swung that much.
Total disaster. As far as that post from this morning went, can I laugh now?
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Sure, but vagina voters are.avaya said:
Sensible women, just like sensible men, will vote for Obama or McCain after reviewing their programs, but this... breed, is something special. And pretty irrelevant for Obama's campaign planners since they can't be persuaded into voting for him.
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Like I said, I'm gonna love the debates. To paraphrase Luke Wilson in Anchorman, Biden is gonna straight up murder her ass.Gary Whitta said:
reilo said:
I do not disagree. But you're acting like they don't exist, which is simply not true. I don't think anyone's suggesting that Palin is going to draw huge numbers of women, but she will pull the fringe people from the bitterest of the Clintonistas, and she'll energize the existing female pro-life voters.
Like I've said previously, I think it's the best McCain could hope for. Before Palin he wasn't going to get as many PUMA people and the pro-life base didn't trust him. He's helped himself in both small constituencies without damaging his chances with other existing constituencies.
Giuliani would have completely lost him the pro-life vote.
Romney would have cost him big numbers in the South.
Lieberman would have torn the party apart.
Pawlenty was a safe pick, but was nearly as obscure as Palin and didn't bring the kinds of pro-life credentials Palin does.
I've never suggested she's perfect, by any stretch, but she brings some minor positives and virtually no negatives, which is why she's a fairly good pick for VP politically.
DancingJesus
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That's pretty funny... Sarah Palin is younger than two of McCain's children.
SEGA SAMMY
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Many conservatives like me were not sold on JM quite yet. This pick shores up my faith in the parties commitment to conservative issues. If he had picked Joe, I would not have voted GOP. This pick assures me the campaign is not happy with how things are going with spending etc...and is going back to the conservative roots. (Social issues, smaller government, lower taxes, less govt involvement in state issues)
Great VP choice, it solidifies the "social base", and expands appeal to some untapped demographics. Looking at the H. Clinton message boards, many of Hils supporters felt they were told to sit down by the DNC, and consider this the true ticket of change. 90% of the posters in the HC forums on this topic were moved by the pick of Palin and her introduction, and are switching from indy and dem to this ticket! (This was purely an observation of the posts) Don't assume those those 18 million Hillary supporter are str8 ticket drones of the DEM party. Many feel quite alienated by the tactics used against Hillary, and many feel that choosing an insider VP Candidate undermines Obama's change message.
Great VP choice, it solidifies the "social base", and expands appeal to some untapped demographics. Looking at the H. Clinton message boards, many of Hils supporters felt they were told to sit down by the DNC, and consider this the true ticket of change. 90% of the posters in the HC forums on this topic were moved by the pick of Palin and her introduction, and are switching from indy and dem to this ticket! (This was purely an observation of the posts) Don't assume those those 18 million Hillary supporter are str8 ticket drones of the DEM party. Many feel quite alienated by the tactics used against Hillary, and many feel that choosing an insider VP Candidate undermines Obama's change message.
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I wouldn't doubt it.reilo said:
"He is a change agent."
Some dude on Race to the White House.
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In my experience, most in the middle are pro-choice but find abortion kinda icky.Chiggs said:
Alot of those that are pro-life are also anti-contraceptive, i.e. womenz still be too independent. Barefoot and preggers ladies.
Besada, I definitely agree that she's the best of the major picks. But why not Whitman or Hutchinson? Just because of the pro-choice slant?
friend: so I think you should run for student council so you can be the GOP VP nom in 4 years
I just can't shake the feeling that McCain's "major picks" were all absolutely awful.
friend: so I think you should run for student council so you can be the GOP VP nom in 4 years
I just can't shake the feeling that McCain's "major picks" were all absolutely awful.
reilo said:
There has been considerable worry on the part of the Republicans that the hardcore pro-lifers would do what they often do when they can't find an ideologically pure candidate, which is stay home. Palin ensures they will not only get out and vote, but likely get out and campaign.
You don't seem to get how little trust the religious wing of the party has in McCain or their traditional willingness to sit out an election rather than "bloody their own hands".
The primary good for him is securing his connections to the religious right, the NRA, and the oil drillers (she's pro-ANWR drilling, which makes her even more staunch a drilling advocate than McCain). So, some positive within his base, and the ability to scoop up the PUMA crazies.
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lexdysia said:
And that my friends is the best comparison I've seen. Literally. :lol
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VPhys said:
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I'd never thought I'd say this but thats a VPILF. Fo sho.
PhoenixDark
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If this ticket bombs I wonder if the GOP will get the message that the country doesn't want far right social conservatives
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Door2Dawn said:
A good design on paper with poor implementation and varying levels of support.
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