"Previously Recorded" review The Order 1886
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See here, and other posts besides.
To be honest, the misrepresentations and factually incorrect points brought up definitely gives off an air of pandering to proceedings. Not what I'd call a good review, never mind great. As a piece of entertainment it may have value, very much depending on tastes and preconceptions though.
Cave Johnson
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Wow. That was very spoiler heavy, despite that I really enjoyed their breakdown of the game. It actually is worse than what the review have pointed out. My favorite video is the "why Mario is more immersive than COD". That was so on point, and definitely makes you ponder to how games have become so mediocre throughout the generation.
Fixed2BeBroken
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wait what!?!? is this true? i thought the graphics were the only good thing?
DeadManWalking
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RLM should stick with movie reviews. Can't stand them talking about video games.
Beelzebufo
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Their twitch channel is pretty entertaining since occasionally other members of the team stop by to wish Jack and Rich luck. Their other videos are basically like this one, really. Usually not quite as much insight as something like HitB from my experience.
I mean it might just because I know enough games to be on GAF, but I get a feeling of "I know more about this topic than you do" when Jack speaks sometimes that I don't really get from Mike and Jay as much, even when they call Red Skull Red Skeleton.
Maybe the problem is that Jack like a wide-eyed youngster compared to how cynicle everyone else is
MurkyZebra2417
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Yes, it is true. Many people in the OT and my Friendlist enjoyed the game.
For your receipts (not fully up-to-date, I platined Order meanwhile):
http://psnprofiles.com/Tryckser
Beelzebufo
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You can enjoy something without it necessarily being more good than bad though, right? I mean I like Ghost Rider 2.
Fixed2BeBroken
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This makes no sense. You said there are more good things than bad things about the game. That has nothing to do with you, your friends list and yourself enjoying the game.
wheres your xbl and steam profile doe? thought u said u played most.
Also the fact that the player has to pull the trigger was significant in a game that frequently doesn't give the player control over the cutscenes for 30+ minutes at a time.
MurkyZebra2417
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If i think more things are bad about a specific thing I don't really enjoy it... And Order is not "Trash movie fun", it is actually fun.
I said "most", almost every game is a bit more.
I didn't say they should all be reviewed the same as Order based on Gameplay, I said they should all be reviewed the same as Order if we only go about "Next-Gen-Gameplay", because no game so far had anything that wouldn't be possible on PS360
Fixed2BeBroken
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Um no. let me see this list of good things thats more than bad things. we aren't talking about your enjoyment.
all the reviewers arent doing that though...they are reviewing it based on Gameplay not if it can do gameplay that can't be done on ps360 thus why I pointed that out as what you're saying makes no sense.
MurkyZebra2417
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http://steamcommunity.com/id/Tryckser/games/
Only played Sunset Overdrive for a short time at a friends. Fun, not "Next-Gen".
As for the other few X1 exclusives, not one of them had "Next-Gen" gameplay as far as I can see.
Dark_castle
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They're right. It's supposed to be a cinematic experience that tells players a great story, but they fail miserably in that regard. Which is a shame really. The world they've thought up had so much potential.
IMO it would be the best for them to forget the forced, overly serious approach of the order right now and work on something else.
IMO it would be the best for them to forget the forced, overly serious approach of the order right now and work on something else.
MurkyZebra2417
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You didn't even play the game, am I right?
Good:
- Graphics
- Gunplay
- Cutscenes
- Presentation
- Sound & Voice Acting
Medium:
- Story
- Length
- Stealth section
Bad:
- Lycan encounters
And how can we not talk about my take on it? The reviewers don't give an objective perspective... they didn't like some things I, and many others, like.... It is always subjective
Fixed2BeBroken
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you are TOTALLY missing my point. lol. also, what you linked is confusing.
nelsonroyale
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What a ridiculous statement.
You can argue for good deliver and reasonable characters which induce appreciation even as story cohesion is pretty absymal.
uomoartificiale
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I didn't play the game but, if factually accurate, those seem legitimate complaints to have. I plan to play this game later this year for the graphical spectacle alone.
Funny thing: they never mentioned the lenght of the game, not even to say that it doesn't matter.
On a side note, it's their firt video I ever watched and I went back and checked their "previously recorded" about alien isolation and I agree with every single point they make, every single fucking point.
Funny thing: they never mentioned the lenght of the game, not even to say that it doesn't matter.
On a side note, it's their firt video I ever watched and I went back and checked their "previously recorded" about alien isolation and I agree with every single point they make, every single fucking point.
Fixed2BeBroken
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There was only one bad thing about the game? Dang, this game must be pretty awesome. I shoulda preordered this!
Doesn't "gunplay" fall into the category of gameplay? So the Gameplay is great? Is that right?
Doesn't cutscenes fall into the category of presentation? or those like separate things now in the "Next Gen"?
MurkyZebra2417
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So, did you play the game?
Yes, it is pretty good. Yes the Gunplay/Gameplay is good. Yes the cutscenes and presentation are good.
I enjoyed it. I think that is my biggest mistake, because I actually play games and enjoy them. Maybe I should start watching reviews/walktroughs of every game instead of playing, I would be right home on GAF nowadays.
cheezcake
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Lol I ctr+f'ed the thread and you are literally the first and only person to bring the term "next-gen gameplay" into here, so stop using that ridiculous strawman. No one is complaining that it's not "next-gen enough", people are complaining because they just think it's plain bad.
Well if you want to paint giant strokes by boiling down to those categories then there are no bad points at all - lycan encounter falls under gameplay but the majority of other things in that section outnumber this negative making gameplay a positive.
Your post is a tad ridiculous whatever side of the fence you fall on, you're allowing for no nuance whatsoever and being a little self-congratulatory in the process. Doesn't reflect well.
Fixed2BeBroken
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Do I have to play it to know if there are more good things than bad when the general consensus can tell me already though?
I'm not talking about my enjoyment. I am talking about good vs bad things.
you're right, so there are NO bad things about this game. Interesting. I was under the impression that there were many.
I think you're taking my comments a little to seriously BOSS. Hopefully I can improve my verbal performance in the judgement of your eyes on my next employee review.
MurkyZebra2417
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And most of these people havn't played the game. Which is totally ridiculous.
The term "Next-Gen" gameplay is thrown around in reviews and opinions since the start of the gen and always comes up in discussions about games that don't evolve gameplay aspects.
MurkyZebra2417
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You clearly know better what is good or bad about the game then someone who actually played it. This is GAF in a nutshell nowadays.
The general consensus on many games is very wrong, but whatever fits you. I hope you enjoy never playing badly reviewed games like Nier, Killer is Dead, God Hand, etc...
curlyfriski
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All these Order defenders who can't even watch a video, the one thing you'd think they would be able to handle.
Eric the Red
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I watched a panel on game narratives with Ru Weerasuriya and I remember noting that his contributions came across as really amateurish. He would speak about The Order in all these grandiose terms but the actual content of what he's saying lacked substance. Like I swear every time the camera would swing over to Neil Druckmann's face whenever Ru would say anything he would have this vacant look on his face; the kind of look you get when you're rolling your eyes internally but you're trying not to give it away. So I guess hearing that The Order's narrative is hackneyed and amateurish doesn't surprise me!
Rollo Lawson
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To be fair, it's like that on a lot of boards I visit. I never really took cues from reviews outside of serious problems...but playing this game and thinking about some of the things I read, the whole idea of reviews comes into question...for me at least
Virtually every reviewer disagrees with these claims FWIW
MurkyZebra2417
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Reviews are nonsense since a long time anyways. What makes me sad is that if you say you enjoy a badly reviewed game, you get comments like these:
trying to prove your opionion wrong even though you actually played the game.... Ridiculous.
Fixed2BeBroken
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Hey, out of the 207 games I own on steam, apparently, Killer is dead is one of them, and I haven't even played it yet. I got it on sale for like 14.99 or something like that though, so it was worth it i think, so I may still enjoy it regardless of general consensus.
is the Order 14.99 somewhere?
My point is: you said you won't find out those things from reading a review. Well, you won't, because virtually every review says the opposite. We're not in a situation where reviewers overlooked those things in their rush to hate the game for being linear. They went out of their way to call the gunplay staid and the encounters tediously designed.
MurkyZebra2417
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What does the price have ANYTHING to do with the quality of something. Wow..... just wow
That is true. You can't find out Gunplay from a review/walktrough. Even though people do this since Uncharted 3 disaster on GAF.
You're asking people to accept your opinions as fact over the PreRec guys, who are also people who played the game when they actually explained their points fairly well in the video while you've essentially said "it's more good than bad". And comparing an AAA first party cover shooter to games like God Hand and Nier is hilarious.
Sexually Aggressive Uncle
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Oh man lol
MurkyZebra2417
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I compared it to other games reviewed like the Order, because he said "the general consensus is"....
I don't ask anyone to accept my opinion. I say it is a good game. Fuck the general consensus. Maybe people should just start PLAYING games and forming an opionion and not say "game xy sucks, because the review says it and I watched a Walktrough"
Fixed2BeBroken
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It has alot to do with it to me, to be quite honest. I look at everything I spend my money on in terms of price and value.
why are reviews nonsense? Are people's opinions nonsense to you? Do you never ask people's opinions about things before trying things? Do you just do shit with no knowledge or research beforehand? I dont think anyone is saying that can't they think for themselves, but surely you do consider other opinions/views? or are you suggesting you are Above that? and unless those opinions coincide with yours then they aren't valid.
I'll take this as an inadvertent confession of contributing absolutely nothing of value to the detriment of the thread.
Forgive me for not realising this sooner.
Fixed2BeBroken
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if that's the case, wouldn't you critiquing and judging my comments serve the same purpose? I'm sorry I am not up to your standards.
MurkyZebra2417
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I got Age of Empires 3 for 1... must be the worst RTS of all time..... The price argument does not fit when discussing the quality of a game..... You can say the game is too pricey because it only lasts 6-8 hours, but that has NOTHING to do with the quality of these 6-8 hours.
If I see a Trailer and like what I see I will probably try out the game. I also never go into topics about games I didn't play and say "This game is shit".
So, no, other peoples opinions are not nonsense to me, but before I judge something I will try it myself.
Didn't you come into a topic and not watch the video?
Fixed2BeBroken
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Couple points.
-I never said the price of something = the quality. I thing i used the specific term "value"
-I never said "this game is shit"
-I didn't judge this game yet at all. but ok.
-this topic is about a review, which I watched. you made a comment that went against general consensus and I thought it was interesting/funny.
MightyHedgehog
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After watching this, it's kind of blowing me away that Heavy Rain, of all the big cinematic wannabe movie-games, holds up better as a storytelling experience than this one and offers a greater sense of player agency despite it not offering any traditional gameplay. I played through it this week at a coworker's place over two days and I am so glad I didn't buy it or spend any money on it to rent it. Other than the visual quality in most places, I'm amazed that this game gets so much attention on GAF...it's a beautiful piece of shit, I'll give it that.
MurkyZebra2417
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I watched a few parts of the video, but hated it so I don't need to sit trough 30 minutes of it. Better things to do.
Can't say anything to those because I take your posts probably to serious, right BOSS?
Nonsense to discuss with people like you.
"Oh, I didn't really say that, it just totally read like that and everybody would understand it that way, but I didn't spell out the words"
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