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[Outdoor Miner]

Wait a sec, Nvidia's card has two less GB and is $1000? Either their margin on that is insane, Sony is running a Producers like farce of a business or this thing will cost a boatload.

Not a true comparison. The 8gb on PS4 is shared between the whole system, it isn't dedicated to just video ram.

 

[plainr_]

Is current gen Uncharted graphics on a large scale open world possible with this? That's all I need to know.

 

[Portugeezer]

diminishing returns
ps3 had ridiculously bad architecture (i should say complex rather than bad)
ps4 is x86 and much more straight forward so they'll likely reach much higher hardware usage upfront.

What about Xbox 360? Launch games and games now look a lot different too.

 

[Reiko]

Is current gen Uncharted graphics on a large scale open world possible with this? That's all I need to know.

Yes. And then some.

UC3 looks so last gen compared to what we've seen today.

 

[HoodWinked]

maybe they'll do 4gb ddr3, and 4gb gddr5 and just hope ppl forgot they said unified

 

[Durante]

Is current gen Uncharted graphics on a large scale open world possible with this? That's all I need to know.

Yeah, that should be fine.

 

[CrunchyB]

The difference between a 1GB and a 2GB PC video card (same GPU) is about $10-$30. This is across different manufacturers so it should be a decent indicator of raw material costs.

Assuming the latter, this upgrade will cost Sony (or consumers) about $40-$120. Assuming they don't need to make other adjustments because of this.

 

[Zaventem]

All i can think about is how good Dark Sous 2 is going to look.

 

[HoodWinked]

What about Xbox 360? Launch games and games now look a lot different too.

looking at gears 1 i'd say they reached pretty high console potential early in its life cycle in comparison to ps3.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Is current gen Uncharted graphics on a large scale open world possible with this? That's all I need to know.

Depending on the budget allotted you could get close on this era of hardware. And by close I mean a reasonable facsimile. It wouldn't have the same texture res, or have anywhere close to the individuality of each model and texture, but could come close to fooling your eyes under perfect conditions.

So I'm saying... uhhh yeah. If you've got the budget, the meticulous art direction, you should be able to make something much prettier on a much larger scale than Uncharted.

 

[i-Lo]

diminishing returns
ps3 had ridiculously bad architecture (i should say complex rather than bad)
ps4 is x86 and much more straight forward so they'll likely reach much higher hardware usage upfront.

It's not about how easy or hard it is, rather how efficient the developers are working with resources with very specific confines with each new iteration. I can unequivocally claim that there will be marked difference between launch generation and twilight year games on the next gen consoles.

 

[Reiko]

looking at gears 1 i'd say they reached pretty high console potential early in its life cycle in comparison to ps3.

Look at Gears 3 compared to Gears 1.

Gears 1 looks dated big time in comparison.

 

[def sim]

What has that got to do with the RAM? And why would they start now? To my knowledge the only other PlayStation with an external PSU was the original PS2 Slim. A revision thne put it back inside.

Memory gets hot.

I think there was a rumor that said the power supply would be external. I hope so, the more heat they can keep from this console the better.

Yeah, I'd like them to avoid heat issues as much as possible. I don't mind power bricks, especially if it will prolong the life of my console.

 

[megalowho]

This is huge for PS4, shows Sony really did listen to developers. Very interested to see what this box can do with that kind of RAM headroom to play with.

 

[i-Lo]

This is true. To be honest, after the "always on movie recording" rumours appeared I was always skeptical of the 0.5 GB claim for OS usage. That didn't seem feasible with that feature set. I had resigned myself to 1 GB OS / 3 GB games. This is obviously much better, even if they reserve 2 GB for OS features.

A 6+2GB or 5.5+2.5GB is a likely scenario in the beginning before inevitable shrinkage of the OS over the years.

 

[disappeared]

Depending on the budget allotted you could get close on this era of hardware. And by close I mean a reasonable facsimile. It wouldn't have the same texture res, or have anywhere close to the individuality of each model and texture, but could come close to fooling your eyes under perfect conditions.

So I'm saying... uhhh yeah. If you've got the budget, the meticulous art direction, you should be able to make something much prettier on a much larger scale than Uncharted.

Rockstar's going to have a lot of fun with this console.

 

[SlowRevolution]

I don't understand what this means but you guys seem excited, so awesome. Hope Sony don't shoot themselves in the foot with the price.

 

[Violater]

All i can think about is how good Dark Sous 2 is going to look.

Amen sister

 

[PetrCobra]

Is current gen Uncharted graphics on a large scale open world possible with this? That's all I need to know.

No way.

Spoiler

Actually, I think you are good.

 

[mr2xxx]

Why does the OS need DDR5 memory? Only logical reason is that no money would be saved if you tried to add slower ram for just the OS.

 

[FACE]

Umm, that Nvidia card has 2 gpus in it + 6gb gddr5.

We still dont know how much gddr5 costs. Especially if you order millions of it in bulk.

No it doesn't. The Titan is a single GPU.

 

[BlueTsunami]

All i can think about is how good Dark Sous 2 is going to look.

Woah. Or next gen King's Field (keep the dream alive)

 

[CLEEK]

Wait a sec, Nvidia's card has two less GB and is $1000? Either their margin on that is insane, Sony is running a Producers like farce of a business or this thing will cost a boatload.

The cost of Titan is not a good think to judge against.

Not only does the GDDR5 RAM make up a small part of the overall cost, the sheer number of transistors in the NVidia card will be far, far higher than the number in the PS4's combined CPU and GPU. Plus it will run hotter and draw more power than the entire PS4, so has to have expensive cooling etc.

The main point is that Nvidia have to sell their cards at a profit, where as Sony can still go for the razor and blade model and sell the console at a loss and make profit on games. Remember, Sony get a slice of money for each game sold. Nvidia only revenue stream is the card themselves.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Rockstar's going to have a lot of fun with this console.

One thing is certain.

Their trees will have to be improved. Dennis knows what I mean. And only Dennis. Maybe Durante if he pays attention.

Those things will stick out like a sore thumb.

 

[Spongebob]

diminishing returns
ps3 had ridiculously bad architecture (i should say complex rather than bad)
ps4 is x86 and much more straight forward so they'll likely reach much higher hardware usage upfront.

I agree 100%

There will still be improvements to come, but they won't be as large as in the current generation.

 

[IrishNinja]

jaguar eh...atari gon sue

All i can think about is how good Dark Sous 2 is going to look.

isn't that current/last gen though? id love to see that up-kicked

Spoiler

Sony saving gaming!

who's gonna save laura tho

 

[makingmusic476]

A 6+2GB or 5.5+2.5GB is a likely scenario in the beginning before inevitable shrinkage of the OS over the years.

Shrinking the ps3's OS was a move necessary to free up more ram for multiplatform titles, which were looking pretty rough compared to their 360 counterparts.

Everything we've heard about ps4 and 720 implies there will be no such problem this generation, so it's unlikely they'll "shrink" the OS, but rather they'll make it more efficient while adding in other, new OS features, or they'll simply use the overhead created to make the OS run smoother/faster. I doubt they'll free up too much if any extra room for games.

 

[i-Lo]

I agree 100%

There will still be improvements to come, but they won't be as large as in the current generation.

So what happened with Xbox 360 going from Gears 1 to Crysis 3 or Gears 3 was a farce?

 

[Thunder Monkey]

I agree 100%

There will still be improvements to come, but they won't be as large as in the current generation.

Every class of hardware has quirks and limitations that aren't readily apparent. Look at the vast difference between the first set of ground up 360 titles to the last.

You'll see drastic improvements no matter how easy to use any set of hardware is.

 

[mysteriousmage09]

The million dollar question. I would rather not dare to guess given I used to think that the best we were going to get was BF3 on 720p or dynamic 1080p and very high settings by the end of the next generation.

Lol, GG demolished it with a launch title.

 

[Salvadora]

One thing is certain.

Their trees will have to be improved. Dennis knows what I mean. And only Dennis. Maybe Durante if he pays attention.

Those things will stick out like a sore thumb.

I'm guessing the frame rate will still be unstable.

 

[AgentP]

A 6+2GB or 5.5+2.5GB is a likely scenario in the beginning before inevitable shrinkage of the OS over the years.

You literally just pulled numbers out of your butt and added "likely scenario" - based on what? This is how the signal to noise gets so low around here.

 

[Quicksilver4648]

Okay, after seeing the visuals presented at the event and now the RAM specs all I can say now is that I want a sequel to Red Dead Redemption. The power of the consoles with that much RAM can only lead to amazing things.

 

[cryptic]

No need for me to game on the PC anymore.
Personally all the games I've bought for it, looking through Steam, are just console games I bought on discount solely for improved quality.
I have maybe two or three PC exclusives like Metro, and if all the games that interest me end up converging on the PS4 with graphics of this level I have no reason to upgrade my PC any further. I don't mess with mods.

 

[dragonflys545]

I don't care what anyone thinks, but Dynasty warrior games on PS4 will be freaking glorious!!! One million troops for real!

 

[wildfire]

I'm surprised few people realize 8 GB of ram is the PS4's Blue Ray Tax. Instead of trying to foist blue ray on us it is 4k tvs. Sony is going to make it mandatory for multiplats to have upscaled versions of their games.

 

[Lion Heart]

So for 720 to match these specs, they would have to both change the RAM type (mobo architecture) as well as up the GPU right? Its probably unlikely? I can't see them leaving it as is, I feel almost 90% sure they will beef their console up.

 

[Router]

Sooo... 8gb gddr5 in a unified pool. IS SUCH A THING EVEN POSSIBLE? LOL

 

[Tizoc]

Umm what does 8 GB GDDR5 RAM even mean? Is it like running Skyrim on PC with dozens of mods and graphical enhancements and it still running at 60 FPS?

 

[Jack_AG]

Sooo... 8gb gddr5 in a unified pool. IS SUCH A THING EVEN POSSIBLE? LOL

"Why yes it is"
-G

 

[Chuck Norris]

I hope this is definite, for sure, locked down and in place. Not an aim for 8GB, but as in its done and can't be changed!

 

[Kyon]

I hope this is definite, for sure, locked down and in place. Not an aim for 8GB, but as in its done and can't be changed!

it Is?.... LOL this was the official reveal

 

[artist]

Edge then said PS4 is slightly more powerful than Durango.

Wrong.

Looking at current Durango specs that it is impossible.

Current specs? Sorry what?

Still waiting Reiko ..

 

[Grinchy]

I hope this is definite, for sure, locked down and in place. Not an aim for 8GB, but as in its done and can't be changed!

If they changed the amount or type of ram right after announcing it would be 8GB GDDR5, that would make them look very foolish.

 

[DerpButter]

The difference between a 1GB and a 2GB PC video card (same GPU) is about $10-$30. This is across different manufacturers so it should be a decent indicator of raw material costs.

Assuming the latter, this upgrade will cost Sony (or consumers) about $40-$120. Assuming they don't need to make other adjustments because of this.

This guys got it, especially if the memory controller is dual/multi channeled in a way as to get more bandwidth out of some more mass producable, lower end chips.


GTX 650 1GB GDDR5 (roughly 80gb/s) - $119.99

Exact same GPU, manufacturer and identical pcb save for the connection layout, and 4 extra gddr5 chips on the backside - $129.99

 

[Salsa]

people are thinking a PC GPU that equals this is gonna be expensive?

I mean, it will be but totally inside the boundries of what they cost right now. Adding VRAM doesnt up the price at all most of the time.

Knowing this I doubt the PS4 will be THAT expensive.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

Is current gen Uncharted graphics on a large scale open world possible with this? That's all I need to know.

After todays presentation, Uncharted 3 looks like poop coming out of my butt.

 

[i-Lo]

I wonder if Lherre knew about the 8GB RAM part...

So for 720 to match these specs, they would have to both change the RAM type (mobo architecture) as well as up the GPU right? Its probably unlikely? I can't see them leaving it as is, I feel almost 90% sure they will beef their console up.

IIRC gafxperts already said that it went through a major revision once and the new one with all its move engines (things to save bandwidth) etc means it to be highly unlikely at this point.

 

[bigboss370]

oh god, just imagine, GTA will finally have realistic number of people and crowds in cities.

 

[Tom Penny]

The 6 series use DDR5