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[Mibu no ookami]

The three biggest titles coming out for PS5 in 2022 are just PS4 games with PS5 enhancements and to be frank, that is super disappointing for a year 2 of a console's life cycle.

Horizon Forbidden West
Gran Turismo 7
God of War Ragnarok

are all just PS4 titles getting a PS5 enhanced port with higher resolution/framerate, 3d audio, dual sense haptics... that's it...

I can't recall a generation or console where this would have been considered acceptable or appropriate.

When looking at the breakdown of HFW it is literally the exact same breakdown of HZD on PS4, PS4 Pro, and PS5. I guess at least GT7 is getting a little bump up to 4K60 from GT Sport on PS5 which is 1800p60, but what did Kazunori Yamauchi suggest in February of 2020? 120fps or 240fps... Did the PS5 all of a sudden become weaker between February 2020 and now or is the game gimped by being a PS4 title? Not sure how we went from possibly 240fps to 60fps... in what has to be the most uninspired expansion of GT Sport one could possibly imagine.

God of War has already taken serious flack for not looking like much of an upgrade and it is because it isn't. They've just reused the original engine and focused on some expanded maps and gameplay tweaks.

These games would have been fine if they came out in 2020 and maybe even in 2021, but in 2022 it just doesn't cut it and if you look at the original release dates, that was the plan.

So I wonder what games were originally planned for 2022 that have been pushed back to 2023. Not conceivably Spider-Man 2, right? What are the original 2022 games we were going to get that SHOULD be in theory especially polished for 2023? Last of Us Remake is probably still going to come out in 2022. I guess we'll see them as this year goes on. I'm expecting 2023 to be absolutely packed with ACTUAL PS5 games. And I'm not really trying to pick on Sony here. Microsoft released two of their major titles just a couple of months ago and they're the same 8th generation titles.

Maybe this is all thanks to COVID, but it seems like this was always the plan for these games as they've been built on PS4 from the start.

Let me know if I'm mistaken, but has Sony ever released a major first party title on the previous generation after launching new hardware? Maybe GT6 releasing in December of 2016 when the PS4 released in November of 2015 with no BC across titles. Or maybe just maybe this is the lesson Sony learned from GT6 and they wish they had ported GT6 to PS4 instead of relying on Drive Club? Or maybe it was the lesson learned from Persona 5 launching on the PS3 2 years after the PS4 had already launched? As much as I love Persona 5, it's 100 percent a PS3 game... and I had always wished it was a proper PS4 title.

Maybe I'm alone, but I believe in generations.

 

[Amiga]

What PS5 needs is more consoles made.

 

[Kuranghi]

Holy shit are you from the future?

What does the moon pie taste like?!??

 

[remember_spinal]

Maybe I'm alone, but I believe in generations.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

What PS5 needs is more consoles made.

Is that really the problem though? PS5 has outsold the PS4 for the same period of time...

 

[kyliethicc]

 

[Imtjnotu]

 

[bender]

Let me know if I'm mistaken

 

[Danjin44]

I personally couldn’t care less about if games are cross gen or not, what I really want out of Playstation this gen is more first party Japanese games. I’m frankly getting sick of cinematic western games, I get it sells the most but if that’s all we are getting this gen from Sony then It’s gonna be very boring generation for Playstation.

 

[odhiex]

Keep calm and play the games, OP.

The supply of the current hardwares are pretty bleak at the moment, so it makes sense that they are still supporting the bigger install base.

You'll have the "next-gen" exclusive games from now and then.

 

[Hoppa]

How do you know they haven’t been developed natively on PS5 then downgraded to PS4?

 

[Neofire]

What PS5 needs is more consoles made.

Exactly

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I personally couldn’t care less about if games are cross gen or not, what I really want out of Playstation this gen is more first party Japanese games. I’m frankly getting sick of cinematic western games, I get it sells the most but if that’s all we are getting this gen from Sony then It’s gonna be very boring generation for Playstation.

With no Studio Japan, I wouldn't bet on this. If anything PS5 will get FEWER first party Japanese games than PS4.

Keep calm and play the games, OP.

The supply of the current hardwares are pretty bleak at the moment, so it makes sense that they are still supporting the bigger install base.

You'll have the "next-gen" exclusive games from now and then.

It's not about being calm or not. It ultimately just is what it is. Whether you play Day's Gone on PS4 or PS5, it's still a PS4 game, just like the 3 games I mentioned. And for year 2 of a console launch, that's disappointing to me. Maybe it isn't to others, which is fine. But rather than meme/gif the argument away, people could maybe argue why this isn't a problem or why they're fine with it.

As I said before PS5 and XSX have sold more units than PS4 and X1 did in the same amount of time, so that argument doesn't seem to carry water. I think if anything this is about recouping the development costs of those original games, which is fine from a business standpoint, but it's absolutely a misrepresentation of what next-gen gaming has ever been about.

 

[Danjin44]

With no Studio Japan, I wouldn't bet on this. If anything PS5 will get FEWER first party Japanese games than PS4.

Thats my biggest grip with current Sony, I dont really care about getting shinier graphics.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

How do you know they haven’t been developed natively on PS5 then downgraded to PS4?

 

[Aenima]

With no Studio Japan, I wouldn't bet on this. If anything PS5 will get FEWER first party Japanese games than PS4.

XDEV studio is doing the same job Japan Studios was doing by working with 3rd party developers in creating 1st party IPs for PS5. Thers also Asobi Team thats now bigger than last gen.
I think we gonna see a good amount os asian games coming for PS5, not only from Japan but also South Korea and China.

 

[Edgelord79]

 

[odhiex]

But Sony did released some PS5 exclusive games last year: Destruction All Stars, Returnal and R&C Rift Appart. The year before we have Demon's Souls, Astro's Playroom.

Third party stuff like Deathloop last year. This year we would also have Ghostwire:Tokyo, Forsaken and Stray among others.

 

[remember_spinal]

But Sony did released some PS5 exclusive games last year: Destruction All Stars, Returnal and R&C Rift Appart. The year before we have Demon's Souls, Astro's Playroom.

Third party stuff like Deathloop last year. This year we would also have Ghostwire:Tokyo, Forsaken and Stray among others.

Right, theres literally only one console releasing any curremt gen games or game at all right now

 

[Mibu no ookami]

But Sony did released some PS5 exclusive games last year: Destruction All Stars, Returnal and R&C Rift Appart. The year before we have Demon's Souls, Astro's Playroom.

Third party stuff like Deathloop last year. This year we would also have Ghostwire:Tokyo, Forsaken and Stray among others.

Exactly my point. We're moving backward rather than forwards here.

There is a reason why Demon's Souls doesn't have a PS4 port. There is a reason why Rift Apart doesn't have a PS4 port. There is a reason why Returnal doesn't have a PS4 port. These games were developed from the ground up on PS5.

Yet here we are in year two, and the BIGGEST announced titles for the year are all PS4 ports. It's fine if no one else is disappointed by this, but I'm hella' disappointed by it.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Jesus christ, what is wrong with some people? They are giving you immediate follow-ups to some of their best fucking games in the previous generation. Not everything is going to be a from the ground up remake. In fact, the creative AAA game making process demands you not be foolish enough to do such a thing if it can be avoided. The hard work done on the PS4 to design those game engines and the gameplay foundation is what allows them to come right back with sequels so soon. You may not be getting some massive world of a difference visually, but you are going to see those engines at their very best with improvements on top, and with less technical hurdles to overcome you could very well end up with an even better game.

Horizon Forbidden West looks like a massive improvement over the original game, and I expect the same from God of War. This is what we always say we want, great games. They give them to us, and we're complaining about massive jumps in graphics technology? That will come when it comes, and I still think you would be silly to underestimate just how good these games will look.

GT7 I'm personally not excited about but Horizon and God of War Ragnarok?

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Right, theres literally only one console releasing any curremt gen games or game at all right now

As I said, I'm not picking on Sony here, just disappointed that in year 2 this is where we're at with the PS5.

 

[Concern]

 

[Mike Zhang]

What ps5 needs is a new ceo

 

[Aenima]

Exactly my point. We're moving backward rather than forwards here.

There is a reason why Demon's Souls doesn't have a PS4 port. There is a reason why Rift Apart doesn't have a PS4 port. There is a reason why Returnal doesn't have a PS4 port. These games were developed from the ground up on PS5.

Yet here we are in year two, and the BIGGEST announced titles for the year are all PS4 ports. It's fine if no one else is disappointed by this, but I'm hella' disappointed by it.

You putting too much weight on Cross-Gen, the reality is that Horizon FW as a cross gen game looks much better than Forspoken that is a PS5 only game. Yeah i would like for all those games to be developed from the ground up to PS5 but i would also like that there was no hardware shortages and ppl could move faster to the next gen consoles. So i cant be mad if Sony decides to release some games from year 2 as cross-gen to reach a bigger audience.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Jesus christ, what is wrong with some people? They are giving you immediate follow-ups to some of their best fucking games in the previous generation. Not everything is going to be a from the ground up remake. In fact, the creative AAA game making process demands you not be foolish enough to do such a thing if it can be avoided. The hard work done on the PS4 to design those game engines and the gameplay foundation is what allows them to come right back with sequels so soon. You may not be getting some massive world of a difference visually, but you are going to see those engines at their very best with improvements on top, and with less technical hurdles to overcome you could very well end up with an even better game.

Horizon Forbidden West looks like a massive improvement over the original game, and I expect the same from God of War. This is what we always say we want, great games. They give them to us, and we're complaining about massive jumps in graphics technology? That will come when it comes, and I still think you would be silly to underestimate just how good these games will look.

GT7 I'm personally not excited about but Horizon and God of War Ragnarok?

You've made a huge assumption here. It's not just about graphics. It's about gameplay and world design as well. It's a whole package and what "next-gen" means to what I would assume is most people. Games that literally can't be done on the previous consoles. Had Naughty Dog decided to just use the Last of Us Remastered engine, I'm sure people would have been disappointed, would it have been cheaper and would the game have come out sooner? I'm sure, but that's not the sequel people are looking for on PS4. Same with Uncharted 4.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

You putting too much weight on Cross-Gen, the reality is that Horizon FW as a cross gen game looks much better than Forspoken that is a PS5 only game. Yeah i would like for all those games to be developed from the group up to PS5 but i would also like that there was no hardware shortages and ppl could move faster to the next gen consoles. So i cant be mad if Sony decides to release some games from year 2 as cross-gen to reach a bigger audience.

Don't get me started on Forspoken. The Last of Us 2 looks better than Forspoken. That's not an achievement for LOU2 (though the game looks amazing) but speaks to how poor Forspoken looks as a next gen title, but what can you expect from the team that primarily help on FF15 (a game that was underwhelming and extremely delayed) and now they come out with a game 3 years later? Yeah, obviously it's not going to be a great game.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

But Sony did released some PS5 exclusive games last year: Destruction All Stars, Returnal and R&C Rift Appart. The year before we have Demon's Souls, Astro's Playroom.

Third party stuff like Deathloop last year. This year we would also have Ghostwire:Tokyo, Forsaken and Stray among others.

Sadly, Deathloop is not available on PS4 and it doesn't look likely that it ever will be. Speaking to PLAY Magazine (via GamesRadar), Deathloop game director Dinga Bakaba implied that older systems like the PS4 simply can't handle what Deathloop is doing.

Bakaba said, "I don't think that we would have been able to preserve the level of ambition of this game were it not for the move to next-gen." The game's art director Sebastien Mitton added that the environments in Deathloop are "as big or bigger than Dishonored 2, with a huge density."

Deathloop has a number of large open-world areas that you can explore in any order that you like (once you're through the tutorial), with countless AI-driven characters behaving in unique ways around the map. Rendering that amount of content all at once likely wouldn't have been easy for the PS4, particularly with the graphical fidelity that Deathloop is aiming for. It makes sense, then, that game cannot and will not run on PS4.

 

[odhiex]

Exactly my point. We're moving backward rather than forwards here.

There is a reason why Demon's Souls doesn't have a PS4 port. There is a reason why Rift Apart doesn't have a PS4 port. There is a reason why Returnal doesn't have a PS4 port. These games were developed from the ground up on PS5.

Yet here we are in year two, and the BIGGEST announced titles for the year are all PS4 ports. It's fine if no one else is disappointed by this, but I'm hella' disappointed by it.

I get your point, but honestly it doesn't even matter for me. See my first reply.

I have my PS5 since September last year, haven't bought/played any of PS5 exclusives apart from the Astro's Playroom. I gave away my PS4 to my little brother, since I already have a console that can play most of my PS4 games.

PS5 is still the best version of PS4, the visual differences are apparent and the QOL is much improved.

 

[Danjin44]

You've made a huge assumption here. It's not just about graphics. It's about gameplay and world design as well. It's a whole package and what "next-gen" means to what I would assume is most people.

We had this type of conversation when PS4 was coming out but in the end most PS4 games played mostly same as PS3 games with better graphics, so I dont know what exactly you are expecting out of "next gen" with PS5 but most likely the gameplay will be same as PS4 games but with better graphics just like last gen.

Edit: in fact with each gen world becomes less interactive even tho better tech suppose to improve that.

 

[odhiex]

What ps5 needs is a new ceo

What PS5 needs is Knack 3 as the next-gen exclusive.

 

[G-Bus]

Outside of forums I don't think a lot of people care. Non issue.

Sony can't keep these things in stock any where.

 

[Darklor01]

When you buy a new gen console, the idea is you’ll be getting the best version playable within that brand’s ecosystem. Video games are a business. A business wants and needs to make the most money possible. For now, for most 1st party and 3rd party games, that means games playable for previous and current gen with as many enhancements as possible for the now current gen.

There is nothing wrong with that. It’s not like there won’t be games that are current gen only. Spider-Man 2 is said to be that way. I’m not sure how many others, but, it will get there.

 

[Beechos]

Cmon this is all because of the install base to maximize sales. All those "ps5 only" games released so far are the "B" Tier games to sony. All their "A" tier games will be crossgen until more ps5's are avail.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

We had this type of conversation when PS4 was coming out but in the end most PS4 games played mostly same as PS3 games with better graphics, so I dont know what exactly you are expecting out of "next gen" with PS5 but most likely the gameplay will be same as PS4 games but with better graphics just like last gen.

Edit: in fact with each gen world becomes less interactive even tho better tech suppose to improve that.

That's depressing as hell, but I don't think it holds true across the board.

If you compare LOU and LOU2, Naughty Dog did a stellar job of expanding the gameplay as well as the visuals.

If you compare God of War 3 and God of War (2018), they've done an outstanding job.

Find me any Spider-Man game on PS3 or 360 that plays anywhere close to Spider-Man on PS4.

 

[Swift_Star]

Troll thread?

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Troll thread?

Who am I trolling exactly?

Refute anything I've said as non-factual...

 

[Swift_Star]

Who am I trolling exactly?

Refute anything I've said as non-factual...

Seriously? Limao. I mean, they’re selling like hot cakes, they’re breaking records, you’re a nobody in a forum, so yeah, I’m calling you out. Troll thread.

 

[Danjin44]

That's depressing as hell, but I don't think it holds true across the board.

If you compare LOU and LOU2, Naughty Dog did a stellar job of expanding the gameplay as well as the visuals.

If you compare God of War 3 and God of War (2018), they've done an outstanding job.

Find me any Spider-Man game on PS3 or 360 that plays anywhere close to Spider-Man on PS4.

But you are expecting this "next gen" level gameplay that we never got, if you really expecting PS5 only games will give you that then you are in for disappointment.

AAA games are very expensive to make so there is gonna less room for creativity and unique mechanics.

 

[odhiex]

That's depressing as hell, but I don't think it holds true across the board.

If you compare LOU and LOU2, Naughty Dog did a stellar job of expanding the gameplay as well as the visuals.

If you compare God of War 3 and God of War (2018), they've done an outstanding job.

Find me any Spider-Man game on PS3 or 360 that plays anywhere close to Spider-Man on PS4.

PS4 was released in November 2013.

The games that you have mentioned above were released much later in the PS4 gen.

 

[lh032]

THEY NEED TO PUMP OUT MORE PS5.
Otherwise we will get more cross gen games.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

PS4 was released in November 2013.

The games that you have mentioned above were released much later in the PS4 gen.

And I was comparing them to games that launched well into the PS3, but if you want to compare Year 2 Games to Year 2 Games

MGS5
Journey
Bloodborne
Witcher 3

 

[Darchaos]

The sad thing is that its works. look at Nintendo, doing the most weak and plastic console on the market year after year and just rehash theyre old mario and zelda titles and then brag about how much money you earned. I think gamedevelopers need to work together and push the industry forward, not just make it about the money. Will not ever happen ofcourse, but that is what i think anyway.

 

[Swift_Star]

But you are expecting this "next gen" level gameplay that we never got, if you really expecting PS5 only games will give you that then you are in for disappointment.

AAA games are very expensive to make so there is gonna less room for creativity and unique mechanics.

As if these people played indie games. They’re just trolling. Indie games is where creativity and new gameplay mechanics are. They don’t play indies.

 

[Danjin44]

As if these people played indie games. They’re just trolling. Indie games is where creativity and new gameplay mechanics are. They don’t play indies.

Most people here like to pretend they want PS5 only games for "next gen" gameplay but reality is its about shiny graphics, always been about that.

This type of threads is popular in GAF for a good reason.

Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen

My original post here from 2021 was somehow deleted here. Anyway… Here’s the OG post from ResetEra…it’s from my sister thread there. That thread has input from actual devs etc in the industry. Insomniac, Microsoft, Digital Foundry, DICE, Moon Studios and more… I still consider TLOU 2 to be a...

www.neogaf.com

Who these people try fool here?....really.

 

[kingpotato]

You complain about generations but are looking a gift horse in the mouth.

You can play your entire library of PS4 games on the current gen. You couldn't do that with PS3 to PS4 because of the absurdly exotic hardware. Developers were forced to choose which platform to develop for and there were ample reasons to go with the newer platform.

All these cross gen games are more of an artifact of the pandemic and global supply chain issues. Sony's doing what they think is best given the situation. If PS5s were plentiful, you can bet a bunch of these titles would only be current gen even if they started development on the previous gen.

You even throw the generations comment back at Sony, but don't realize they had planned for a harder generation break but were unable to follow through given the circumstances.

 

[GasTheWeebs]

Sony is going third party next gen so they don't care anymore

 

[saintjules]

Horizon Forbidden West Built from the 'Ground Up' for PS5

Despite also being on PS4

www.pushsquare.com

 

[Mibu no ookami]

You complain about generations but are looking a gift horse in the mouth.

You can play your entire library of PS4 games on the current gen. You couldn't do that with PS3 to PS4 because of the absurdly exotic hardware. Developers were forced to choose which platform to develop for and there were ample reasons to go with the newer platform.

All these cross gen games are more of an artifact of the pandemic and global supply chain issues. Sony's doing what they think is best given the situation. If PS5s were plentiful, you can bet a bunch of these titles would only be current gen even if they started development on the previous gen.

You even throw the generations comment back at Sony, but don't realize they had planned for a harder generation break but were unable to follow through given the circumstances.

I'm not mad at the backward compatibility, though it's overrated to be able to play the entire library of PS4 games on PS5. This will matter significantly less every year.

Look at Persona 5. It launched on PS3 and PS4 at the same time. Look at Last of Us and Last of Us Remastered. This isn't exactly new. These had nothing to do with the pandemic because there wasn't one. It's just about maximizing profit, which ultimately shouldn't matter to us gamers, especially when it comes at a cost to us. Last of Us Remastered didn't cost us anything but Persona being a PS3 game instead of a native ps4 game certainly did.

Last of Us Remastered however was a nice little touch to play the game on the PS4, but last of us OG didn't come out after the PS4 launched. I think they saw the lessons of LOU Remastered and the lack of GT6 on PS4 and they decided this was going to be their strategy, then I think all 3 games got delayed significantly, maybe because of the pandemic and other factors like actors having surgery, and now it is just a bad look. All 3 of these games were meant to come out last year. With GT7 probably much closer to launch and Horizon.

I actually wonder where in the year Horizon and GoWR were actually originally planned to release.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Horizon Forbidden West Built from the 'Ground Up' for PS5

Despite also being on PS4

www.pushsquare.com

This is PR nonsense from Jim Ryan combined with a misleading headline, no where in the actual article does it sound like this was developed natively on PS5 rather they've kept PS5 in mind when developing the PS4 game, which is absolutely true, just like when it comes to developing a PS4 Pro mode.