DirgeExtinction
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If I didn't like Alan Wake, would I like this?
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Quantum Break Review Thread
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Chronospherics
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On another note, due to intentional or unintentional omission of scores and skewed weighting both open critic and metacritic are an exceptionally poor means of representing the aggregate score here.
N4Gs 'review grid' is a lot better, as no scores are weighted, and all reviews that are published are factored into the critical average. All of this is done in a much faster manner than metacritic or open critic too.
http://n4g.com/channel/quantum-break/reviews/all/default/default/1/reviewgrid
On N4Gs review grid, Quantum break holds an 8.1 aggregate, which is much more flattering than metacritic or open critic represent. Maybe including this in future review aggregation threads would be a good idea, because the N4G review grid actually has many more reviews listed than even this thread.
N4Gs 'review grid' is a lot better, as no scores are weighted, and all reviews that are published are factored into the critical average. All of this is done in a much faster manner than metacritic or open critic too.
http://n4g.com/channel/quantum-break/reviews/all/default/default/1/reviewgrid
On N4Gs review grid, Quantum break holds an 8.1 aggregate, which is much more flattering than metacritic or open critic represent. Maybe including this in future review aggregation threads would be a good idea, because the N4G review grid actually has many more reviews listed than even this thread.
Could this be the reason there are so few "B" games this gems?
Like I think there is Just Cause nad there might be some other, but last gen was filled with smaller cool B games. Saboteur, REd Factions etc Now it seems it's AAA or Indie or bust.
I will just repeat myself : The Order was butchered by media since first showcase at E3 2014 till launch.
Wondering that too. I was a big Max Payne 1/2 fan, but Alan Wake felt pretty limited and repetitive to me. Based on what I'm seeing, I'll probably hold off for awhile. My backlog is solid and DS3 is right around the corner.
Games that get mixed reviews can still sell well. I feel like your getting worried over pure conjecture and no actual information. If you have numbers that state otherwise, then by all means prove me wrong, but I have never seen solid evidence that supports the idea that Metacritic has a high impact on sales on a broad scale.
I kind of wish there were some undeniable authority on video games that was so well-versed, knowledgeable and intelligent in reviewing you'd only need to check their review out. With games these opinions are all over the place.
I mean, with movies for like 20 years there was no point to read any other review than Roger Ebert's. The situation might have changed though as there isn't anyone close to his level nowadays.
I mean, with movies for like 20 years there was no point to read any other review than Roger Ebert's. The situation might have changed though as there isn't anyone close to his level nowadays.
Well apparently there is? And it's Jeff Gertsmann? Because people are saying it has mixed reviews, but I am only seeing his review, gamespots and a few other being bad. The rest are a majority of 8s and above.
People pouting about reviews is always great. Why is MC a terrible way to judge a game? Most of the reasons people normally give are hilariously inaccurate or untestable.
And why would a 50 be an average score? Are you assuming that review scores are perfectly normally distributing with a range from 1-100? There are literally zero games where that has ever been the case, especially if you're thinking about video game scores in the aggregate.
Personally, I think 79 is a solid score, but I'm not going to criticize people who think it's low enough to promote some doubt about the game.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Basically like alan wake was people either loved it ir hated it
http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/news/pdf/130326slides.pdf
It's from 2013, but check out page 9. They look at this sort of thing, they set targets, and if things fail to meet those targets, they step away.
But anyway I feel like I'm derailing the thread a bit. Interested to pick this up, but will probably wait a bit.
visiblemode
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8.1 is "much more flattering" in the same way 8.1 pounds is "much more heavy" than 7.8 pounds.
I think this game looks great but people are getting more and more obsessive about aggregate scores to an unhealthy degree.
Wolfenstein: TNO is my favorite FPS of this gen, and it's sitting at a 79 on Metacritic. I'm still hopeful I'll enjoy Quantum Break just as much.
Surprised this game got any high marks at all, the gameplay looks bad and the story looks even worse. Definitely on par with the Order, another game I aggressively hated.
I don't know how people can make these statements without playing it
Just let it go. It is what it is. No need to move goalposts. People who want the game will get it anyway. Review scores, especially as aggregates, are meaningless.
Dragon Puncher
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People arguing about weighting averages with overall differences still being less than half a point on the 10 point scale, seem like the perfect representation of review threads..
Find one or more reviewers you often agree with and respect and use their opinion to make up your mind. Everything else is kinda useless to me, since it's just a big pile of subjective opinions from people I don't know.
Find one or more reviewers you often agree with and respect and use their opinion to make up your mind. Everything else is kinda useless to me, since it's just a big pile of subjective opinions from people I don't know.
Because they want their bullshit to be validated and when they see just one bad review they go all out.
As I've said elsewhere, I'm not pouting in the slightest, I don't actually really care too much about QB. MC is terrible because a review's words matter, not the score slapped on it. When you aggregate the numbers with snippets of reviews, I feel like it de-values the work the critics are doing, high scores or low. Companies really hold their MC scores in high regard; they're lauded on job applications in the industry everywhere/
Chronospherics
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While I agree, it does make high budget, experimental game development near impossible due to risk aversion, I do not necessarily agree that it's a problem.
Incremental innovation is still present, as we see gradual adaptation of the medium as new ideas are popularised, it merely moves the industry slower than it otherwise would. The industry and development of game mechanics moved very rapidly, two geneations ago and prior to that, but it's much more incremental now. It would be a mistake however, to suggest that games don't still evolve.
Still, there's plenty of room for innovative products in independent, smaller budgeted titles, but for the most part people appear to resent those experiences. It's very clear that most people on neogaf and sites alike do not view the industry with the same mindset as the typical consumer, at least in some cases.
The biggest problem however is that consumers are happy to purchase and spend time with titles like The Division, Assassins Creed and Far Cry, these games offer no meaningful evolution for the industry or the genres they occupy. It's not Ubisoft's fault though, the games sell very well and consumers and critics appear to enjoy these titles.
As for a video game crash, I think that's absolute nonsense and in many cases, wishful thinking. It's like suggesting the film industry is going to crash because Marvel movies are all pretty similar. I think it's possible we will see a crash of particular genres and types of game with time. I expect it will be the 'icon janitor genre', known as Ubisoft branded open world experiences, but that may be wishful thinking on my part.
Surprised this game got any high marks at all, the gameplay looks bad and the story looks even worse. Definitely on par with the Order, another game I aggressively hated.
You didn't play The Order either, did you?
Not yet.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Weird spread on these reviews. Will just have to rent it.
Chronospherics
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Except they're not, not at all.
The reason developer jobs and bonuses ride on the aggregate critical performance is because these critical averages are in fact, highly predictive of commercial performance.
Aggregates and individual scores are debatably meaningless to an individual, but to the games developer, publisher, and the industry as a whole? They are incredibly meaningful, and it's naive to deny that.
The Jackdog
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hes right though, that game was hyped death here
wastedyears
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Reviews are practically useless, unless you depend on the opinions of others to determine whether or not you enjoy something. There are plenty of other ways to see whether or not a game is worth investing time and money into.
Of course they're meaningful industry wide. But they're meaningless to players. Industry wide they're harmful to the industry IMO, and this obsession over them isn't helping.
DirtyLarry
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I am slightly worried that the aspect I was looking forward to the most, and that is the gunplay, seems to be the aspect a lot of reviewers are citing as the weakest link.
Oh well, I already have it preordered digitally, but I really hope people are just being extra hard on that aspect for some reason.
Oh well, I already have it preordered digitally, but I really hope people are just being extra hard on that aspect for some reason.
Primethius
Banned
I'm hoping the game is still a decent length without the TV show aspect, which I don't really care for.
Played it until I reached the blimp missions then I just couldn't go on.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Open Critic is unweighted and the score is lower than MC.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Yeah good point its mine too.
tattooed_dwarf
Member
Are you seriously comparing gameplay of the Order and Quantum Break? They aren't even close.Surprised this game got any high marks at all, the gameplay looks bad and the story looks even worse. Definitely on par with the Order, another game I aggressively hated.
The Jackdog
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literally the only thing stopping me from adoring that game was "goddamnit i gotta run around and pick up all this ammo again"
The Jackdog
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Surprised this game got any high marks at all, the gameplay looks bad and the story looks even worse. Definitely on par with the Order, another game I aggressively hated.
youre comparing this with the order?
I hate to be a dick about it, because I actually really enjoy Jeff as a person, but he has opposite tastes to me.
I didn't enjoy Super Mario Maker at all, love Rocket League, and will probably enjoy this.
We rarely align opinions, which is fine.
Leafhopper
Banned
This gen hasn't been brutal to studios at all. Just that people realized after last generation that "Oh yeah that's right there are other numbers on this scale besides 7-10." I remembered that giving a game a 6 or a 7 doesn't necessarily mean the game is a pile of garbage like modern review sales seem to be right now.
I get that.
tattooed_dwarf
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This is always weird, like there is no consistency on what people think is repetitive and what is not. I think I often comes from how much they like overall game and then think it's repetitive if it isn't really for them anyway.
aparisi2274
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Chronospherics
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It's very debatable whether they're harmful to the industry. One thing you have to consider however is that it actually gives consumers and critics a lot of power, unlike with the movie industry.
In the movie industry bad films will sell well (see Batman vs Superman) despite bad critical receptions, so regardless of what critical standards they are held to, producers can 'do what they want', and provided they have a popular IP, people will buy into it, even if the movie is offensively stupid.
In the video game industry, review scores have a lot of influence on comercial performance and in turn, can shape what the industry outputs. That then could become a powerful tool in saying no to certain types of experiences, The Order is a good example, where I feel the critical performance ensured that pseudo-interactive cinematic style of game design wasn't pursued further. I feel like similar could be done with features like online only, if a developer pushes all their games out as online only, and critics blast them for that, that feature is likely to disappear very quickly. That's why the critical standard that games are held to is very important though, and unfortunately I think in many cases journalists (collectively) do a terribly poor job in shaping our industry.
The Jackdog
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couldnt agree more.
i go to giant bomb for the personalities. i like jeff the most. i like jeffs opinions on games the least.
no big deal at all