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[Arcipello]

wow... those screenshots are rather shocking! cant believe how bad the standard auto config looks.... id software, sort this out!

 

[Jubbly]

I'm going to try the 8192 on my system over lunch and see what the results are. I had already nearly eliminated the pop-in with a previous set of cfg tweaks but I love those sharper textures.

What are these other tweaks you speak of?

 

[garath]

What are these other tweaks you speak of?

Lol. You know I just copied my rageconfig from my post in the other thread and realized I've already changed the pageimagesize. I didn't realize it was already in my config. Well then it works great!

Here's what I did:

I updated to the latest BETA drivers 285.38. I added a rageconfig.cfg file to my rage/base directory with the following settings:

com_AllowConsole 1
com_SkipIntroVideo 1
vt_qualityhdplossless 1
vt_qualityhdppower 0
vt_qualityhdpspecular 0
vt_qualityhdpnormal 0
vt_qualityhdpdiffuse 0
vt_qualitydctpower 100
vt_qualitydctspecular 100
vt_qualitydctnormal 100
vt_qualitydctchroma 100
vt_qualitydctluma 100
vt_usecudatranscode 2
vt_maxppf 2048
vt_pageimagesizeuniquediffuseonly2 8192
vt_pageimagesizeuniquediffuseonly 8192
vt_pageimagesizeunique 8192
vt_pageimagesizevmtr 8192
vt_minlod -1
vt_maxlockedpages 1024
vt_uncompressedvmtr 1
vt_maxaniso 16
vt_uncompressedphysicalimages 1
vt_vmtrcompression none
vt_restart
image_lodbias -1
image_anisotropy 16
image_usecompression 0
image_screenshotquality 100

And I forced vsync and triple buffering in the nvidia control panel. In-game settings are set to 16x AA and GPU transcoding enabled.

What I have is solid 60fps with such fast pop in that I wouldn't be able to tell if I wasn't whipping the mouse around and specifically looking for it.

Now that we've had some more discussion about it, I'm going to change the bolded to 4 to prevent any future issues. I've really only played about 5 minutes with this config. I spent most of yesterday just tinkering instead of playing.

 

[Wazzim]

Now I understand why Carmack felt sorry concentrating on consoles too much for this game, wow.

 

[TheDude108]

Not getting that great performance with the spec below:

i5 2500k @ 4.6GHz
4Gb DDR3
6950 2Gb (unlocked to 6970)
Using the Rage performance AMD drivers.

Seems to be ATi users aren't getting that good performance, whereas Nvidia users are flying.

 

[dark10x]

garath, do NOT use vt_maxaniso 16. That does not work properly with the game. The highest setting you should use is 4. AF does not play nicely with this engine.

 

[Rewmac]

Lol. You know I just copied my rageconfig from my post in the other thread and realized I've already changed the pageimagesize. I didn't realize it was already in my config. Well then it works great!

Here's what I did:

I updated to the latest BETA drivers 285.38. I added a rageconfig.cfg file to my rage/base directory with the following settings:

com_AllowConsole 1
com_SkipIntroVideo 1
vt_qualityhdplossless 1
vt_qualityhdppower 0
vt_qualityhdpspecular 0
vt_qualityhdpnormal 0
vt_qualityhdpdiffuse 0
vt_qualitydctpower 100
vt_qualitydctspecular 100
vt_qualitydctnormal 100
vt_qualitydctchroma 100
vt_qualitydctluma 100
vt_usecudatranscode 2
vt_maxppf 2048
vt_pageimagesizeuniquediffuseonly2 8192
vt_pageimagesizeuniquediffuseonly 8192
vt_pageimagesizeunique 8192
vt_pageimagesizevmtr 8192
vt_minlod -1
vt_maxlockedpages 1024
vt_uncompressedvmtr 1
vt_maxaniso 16
vt_uncompressedphysicalimages 1
vt_vmtrcompression none
vt_restart
image_lodbias -1
image_anisotropy 16
image_usecompression 0
image_screenshotquality 100

And I forced vsync and triple buffering in the nvidia control panel. In-game settings are set to 16x AA and GPU transcoding enabled.

What I have is solid 60fps with such fast pop in that I wouldn't be able to tell if I wasn't whipping the mouse around and specifically looking for it.

Now that we've had some more discussion about it, I'm going to change the bolded to 4 to prevent any future issues. I've really only played about 5 minutes with this config. I spent most of yesterday just tinkering instead of playing.

Could you give us a heads up when you played a little more so we know the game doesn't crash, freez and so?

 

[Metalmurphy]

Anyone having problems with graphical glitches. Kinda like the ones you do when your graphics card is dying?

Using the AMD Rage drivers.

 

[DieH@rd]

Game works perfectly on my 6870 1gb.

8k textures + bigger fov = awesome game, hopefully i will find some time today to start playing it seriously.

 

[plagiarize]

Not getting that great performance with the spec below:

i5 2500k @ 4.6GHz
4Gb DDR3
6950 2Gb (unlocked to 6970)
Using the Rage performance AMD drivers.

Seems to be ATi users aren't getting that good performance, whereas Nvidia users are flying.

you have the wrong version of the Rage performance driver from the sound of it. the one released before the game was horribly broken. i'm generally getting great performance on my 5870 now with the second Rage performance driver.

when i don't get good performance as far as i can tell it's nothing to do with graphics card drivers, and i can repeat the same exact load/gameplay/mission another time with zero performance issues.

i know Dark10x experienced something like this. most of the time he loaded the game he experienced hitching, but one time, for no obvious reason, it ran locked at 60 fps.

 

[undercoverb0ss]

Anyone having problems with graphical glitches. Kinda like the ones you do when your graphics card is dying?

Using the AMD Rage drivers.

Where in the game are you? I'm in Well Spring and the characters are screwed up.

 

[plagiarize]

Where in the game are you? I'm in Well Spring and the characters are screwed up.

yeah. that's common. after a few missions it seems to stop. just seems to be something id will have to patch.

 

[Geoff9920]

I've spent entirely too much time trying to fix the issues with this game. I still want to play it though. I think I'm just take this as an expensive lesson on not trusting a developer - any developer - where the PC isn't the lead platform and just grab the 360 version.

 

[garath]

Could you give us a heads up when you played a little more so we know the game doesn't crash, freez and so?

Definitely. I'm going to put a solid 30 minutes in over lunch and see how it stands. Then after work I have a couple hours to myself before the wife gets home. If it doesn't cause problems by then I'll be confident.

garath, do NOT use vt_maxaniso 16. That does not work properly with the game. The highest setting you should use is 4. AF does not play nicely with this engine.

Yeah, definitely plan on changing that to 4. Frankly half the config is probably unnecessary or wrong but it felt so good during the few minutes I played.

 

[TheDude108]

you have the wrong version of the Rage performance driver from the sound of it. the one released before the game was horribly broken. i'm generally getting great performance on my 5870 now with the second Rage performance driver.

when i don't get good performance as far as i can tell it's nothing to do with graphics card drivers, and i can repeat the same exact load/gameplay/mission another time with zero performance issues.

i know Dark10x experienced something like this. most of the time he loaded the game he experienced hitching, but one time, for no obvious reason, it ran locked at 60 fps.

I downloaded it from the AMD website today, not sure if there is a different link to the second one?

 

[dark10x]

you have the wrong version of the Rage performance driver from the sound of it. the one released before the game was horribly broken. i'm generally getting great performance on my 5870 now with the second Rage performance driver.

when i don't get good performance as far as i can tell it's nothing to do with graphics card drivers, and i can repeat the same exact load/gameplay/mission another time with zero performance issues.

i know Dark10x experienced something like this. most of the time he loaded the game he experienced hitching, but one time, for no obvious reason, it ran locked at 60 fps.

It was a mostly locked 60 fps (very minor hitching occurred still), but now it's much worse. It's incredibly unstable and very finicky.

Now I get 60 fps until textures begin to load and then it dips to the 40s until textures have stopped streaming. Since that occurs so often, it feels pretty awful.

I've spent entirely too much time trying to fix the issues with this game. I still want to play it though. I think I'm just take this as an expensive lesson on not trusting a developer - any developer - where the PC isn't the lead platform and just grab the 360 version.

Yep. I switched to the PS3 version, actually, and the experience is 1000x better. I was able to sit back and enjoy the game. No hitches ever, perfect 60 fps, and minor texture loading (which was really no worse than the best I've seen my PC produce). I'm actually loving the game now.

 

[Metalmurphy]

Where in the game are you? I'm in Well Spring and the characters are screwed up.

Right at the start, seems to happen more when I move the camera around.


The HUD also flickers alot.

 

[plagiarize]

I've spent entirely too much time trying to fix the issues with this game. I still want to play it though. I think I'm just take this as an expensive lesson on not trusting a developer - any developer - where the PC isn't the lead platform and just grab the 360 version.

that doesn't always work out so well. lots of games that don't lead on PC have had PC versions that were free of any obvious faults at launch, and that looked much better on PC.

it's always going to be case by case unfortunately.

 

[dark10x]

that doesn't always work out so well. lots of games that don't lead on PC have had PC versions that were free of any obvious faults at launch, and that looked much better on PC.

it's always going to be case by case unfortunately.

Yep. Crysis 2 was clearly aimed at consoles, but the PC version was pure bliss at launch. Ran flawlessly and looked better than anything else I had seen on the PC at the time. Was one of the smoothest PC launches I've ever taken part in. It did not feel at all like a cheap console port.

 

[Jubbly]

Here's what I did:

Do you have any on/off comparisons for vt_uncompressedphysicalimages and vt_vmtrcompression? They sound interesting.

 

[plagiarize]

It was a mostly locked 60 fps (very minor hitching occurred still), but now it's much worse. It's incredibly unstable and very finicky.

Now I get 60 fps until textures begin to load and then it dips to the 40s until textures have stopped streaming. Since that occurs so often, it feels pretty awful.


Yep. I switched to the PS3 version, actually, and the experience is 1000x better. I was able to sit back and enjoy the game. No hitches ever, perfect 60 fps, and minor texture loading (which was really no worse than the best I've seen my PC produce). I'm actually loving the game now.

that's exactly when i get hitching too, but sometimes when i load the game i get no hitching at all. same levels. same amount of stuff going on. if i get no hitching when i load it, i can carry on playing with zero hitching for the entire play session.

then i'll stop playing. do something else... load the game again, and have hitching. it's a head scratcher. killing background processes etc doesn't seem to make any difference. auto texture detail vs 8k texture detail seems to make no difference.

 

[Geoff9920]

that doesn't always work out so well. lots of games that don't lead on PC have had PC versions that were free of any obvious faults at launch, and that looked much better on PC.

it's always going to be case by case unfortunately.

By not trusting I mean I'll take a wait and see approach vice just preordering.

 

[Rewmac]

Sould I uninstall my current AMD Catalyst Control and then intall the new one or the new completely replaces the old one?

 

[jdmonmou]

Where in the game are you? I'm in Well Spring and the characters are screwed up.

I notice the same thing. The characters (for example the sheriff) is constantly flickering. You can see him both bending over and standing up at the same time.

Also, for me downloading the latest drivers for my card (a Radeon HD 6950) has made little improvement. I still notice massive texture pop in. Also, I have had a couple of cases where the game freezes when loading the next area of the game.

This game is still too glitchy for me to enjoy. I think I'm going to play some of my other games until a proper patch is released.

 

[TheDude108]

Think its just the texture streaming causing the frame rate issues.

If you stop at an area were the frame rate drops (like looking in the distance) and wait for a few seconds, the frame rate shoots back up to 60fps (for me).

Moving the mouse around causes it to drop down again because it has to stream the textures in, but leaving it results in the frame rate going back up.

Hopefully its something they can fix.

 

[Smokey]

so what does 16384 look like compared to the default setting? anyone got a card capable of running it?

System:

Core i7 2600k @ 4.4ghz
16GB RAM
2x MSI Lightning 3GB 580s (Rage doesn't support SLI yet, so only 1 580 is being used).

I am running Angular's config with 16384 as in the OP. I just got past the part of the game where you get your buggy. When using the 16k config my VRAM usage shot up from 600MB to 1.8GB. Still not an issue for me as I have 3GB VRAM on each 580, but I was surprised just how much it jumped.

The config definitely pushes my card harder as well. Before the config, my 580 was only being utilized at lke 35% at the most. After config it's well over 50%. For the most part it was 60fps, but I did notice that it dipped into the 50s at times. Probably from the texture streaming.

Some shots:



I've got some more shots at home showing 16k x 16k. I'm at work though and can't access personal storage.

 

[Truant]

I can confirm that the texture loading is causing the fps drops. Same here. Also, anyone else getting a weird greenish hue when in dark areas?

 

[plagiarize]

Think its just the texture streaming causing the frame rate issues.

If you stop at an area were the frame rate drops (like looking in the distance) and wait for a few seconds, the frame rate shoots back up to 60fps (for me).

Moving the mouse around causes it to drop down again because it has to stream the textures in, but leaving it results in the frame rate going back up.

Hopefully its something they can fix.

it must be something fixable, because some times the texture streaming doesn't cause me any frame rate issues. sometimes i load the game and it will run locked at 60 fps until i quit it. other times i load the game, and it stutters every time it streams in textures from the moment it loads, right through that entire play session.

it never stops stuttering mid play session. it never starts stuttering mid play session... it either stutters all the time, or not at all.

so its definately fixable. i just wish i could figure out what allows me to play it locked at 60 fps for hours at a time, and ensure that my environment is set up that way whenever i load the game.

 

[Alex Connolly]

Goddamnit. I will say it again, I thought this was supposed to be a very scalable engine. Everyone here is running monster rigs and issues still abound. Good luck, everyone on the mid to low end, unless some black magic patching goes on.

 

[Definity]

I can confirm that the texture loading is causing the fps drops. Same here. Also, anyone else getting a weird greenish hue when in dark areas?

Yeah, I'm getting it. Ugly as hell.

 

[plagiarize]

Also, anyone else getting a weird greenish hue when in dark areas?

that's an artistic choice. it's not anything to do with performance. it's not a glitch.

 

[dark10x]

I can confirm that the texture loading is causing the fps drops. Same here. Also, anyone else getting a weird greenish hue when in dark areas?

The greenish hue is an artistic choice, not a bug.

 

[TheJerit]

it must be something fixable, because some times the texture streaming doesn't cause me any frame rate issues. sometimes i load the game and it will run locked at 60 fps until i quit it. other times i load the game, and it stutters every time it streams in textures from the moment it loads, right through that entire play session.

it never stops stuttering mid play session. it never starts stuttering mid play session... it either stutters all the time, or not at all.

so its definately fixable. i just wish i could figure out what allows me to play it locked at 60 fps for hours at a time, and ensure that my environment is set up that way whenever i load the game.

do you have anything else running in the background, such as any webpages? What kind of card do you have? I ask because I recently stumbled across a known issue with (atleast) the 5800 series of cards. If you have flash video playing and have hardware acceleration (or w/e its called in the options), then it locks your card at 400/900 mhz. So my 5850 typically runs at 850 or so mhz, it was only running at 400 when I experienced this the other night in bf3 beta. I was find for the first few rounds. then I went and watch some youtube videos and came back to playing bf3. then my fps were dropped from way before. that's when i noticed my gpu was not going above 400mhz.

may not have anything to do with your issue at all and if not, I'm sorry but I just wanted to pass along some recent experience.

 

[Smokey]

Goddamnit. I will say it again, I thought this was supposed to be a very scalable engine. Everyone here is running monster rigs and issues still abound. Good luck, everyone on the mid to low end, unless some black magic patching goes on.

I'm sure it is. As I mentioned a few posts up on one 580 the card was only being utilized around 30% and VRAM usage of 600MB before Angular's config. This is at 1080p and it was running at 60fps with 16x AA.

 

[Jubbly]

I'm sure it is. As I mentioned a few posts up on one 580 the card was only being utilized around 30% and VRAM usage of 600MB. This is at 1080p and it was running at 60fps with 16x AA.

Have you got to the city area in my comparison shots? Would love to see 16K there.

 

[Smokey]

Have you got to the city area in my comparison shots? Would love to see 16K there.

Are you referring to WellSpring? I can't see the pics at work, so I'm only guessing. If that's what you're talking about then no not yet. Should get there in a bit though since I got my buggy. I'll post some other pics I have and some from there later on today.

 

[sk3tch]

I haven't had a single problem with this game, yet (granted, only 40 min. of gameplay)...but I have been running the 285.38 Nvidia drivers and I put in angular graphics' fix before I even played (plus vt_usecudatranscode 2 for CUDA). Then I added:

+set com_allowConsole 1 +set com_skipIntroVideo 1 +cvaradd g_fov 20

To my launch options (right click on game in Steam > Properties > Set Launch Options...) - source: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2154293.

Took me 3 hours to install the damn thing last night and that was with the DVD-ROMs. Hands down the worst part of this experience so far. After install, the Steam patch (which wasn't that big) took forever.

Rig: i5 2500k @ 4.7 GHz, 580 1.5GB SLI @ 917 MHz, 16GB RAM, 1TB 7.2k HDD (RAID1).


EDIT:

LOL - The RAGE team celebrating the launch of the game - before and after being processed by the id Tech 5 engine: http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1037838637&postcount=479

 

[plagiarize]

do you have anything else running in the background, such as any webpages? What kind of card do you have? I ask because I recently stumbled across a known issue with (atleast) the 5800 series of cards. If you have flash video playing and have hardware acceleration (or w/e its called in the options), then it locks your card at 400/900 mhz. So my 5850 typically runs at 850 or so mhz, it was only running at 400 when I experienced this the other night in bf3 beta. I was find for the first few rounds. then I went and watch some youtube videos and came back to playing bf3. then my fps were dropped from way before. that's when i noticed my gpu was not going above 400mhz.

may not have anything to do with your issue at all and if not, I'm sorry but I just wanted to pass along some recent experience.

i'll look into my GPU speeds. i've tried launching it with any and all browsers closed, but only after i had the issue, and perhaps something is still going on in the background. i'll be home for lunch shortly, and presuming my pc isn't dead (it won't wake on lan for me right now...) i'll do a quick test.

i definately had web browsers going at various points last night, and at one point i was running a flash video in the steam overlay while playing the game (to find those pesky Quake switches!)... but i have definately launched the game without any web browsing happening and had it stutter.

might try uninstalling the flash RC i'm currently running to be sure that isn't going on.

 

[Truant]

Turning off GPU transcoding helped my performance quite a bit.

 

[Smokey]

Turning off GPU transcoding helped my performance quite a bit.

What does this even do?

 

[JaseC]

Oh, I had forgotten about the vt_usecudatranscode 2 cvar. Nvidia users will want to add this to their rageconfig.cfg file as a value of 2 utilises all of the available CUDA cores instead of just some.

What does this even do?

Uses CUDA cores to stream textures, taking most of the load off the CPU.

 

[sk3tch]

What does this even do?

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2196190

Transcode basically converts from the disk format to an in-memory format usable by the GPU. GPU Transcode performs this costly operation on the GPU instead of the CPU, which massively increases the number of pages that can be transcoded at a time (while maintaining 60 or near 60 hz). This has the visual effect of reducing the time between an item coming on screen and that item having the full, correct texture data available.

Seems to be Nvidia only...uses CUDA. So I would hope it does not illuminate on AMD rigs or else that may be why some have problems. Or maybe that "source" above is BS.

 

[JaseC]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2196190



Seems to be Nvidia only...uses CUDA. So I would hope it does not illuminate on AMD rigs or else that may be why some have problems. Or maybe that "source" above is BS.

The option is not present in the options screen of AMD/ATi users, although such users copying and pasting config settings will want to ensure the option is not listed, as enabling it could cause issues.

 

[AndyMoogle]

That REALLY shows the difference. Thanks for posting that.

I'm going to try the 8192 on my system over lunch and see what the results are. I had already nearly eliminated the pop-in with a previous set of cfg tweaks but I love those sharper textures.

i5 2500k @ 4.2ghz
8gig DDR3
GTX 460 1gig

We'll see how the 8192 runs with 1gig of VRAM.

Nice, that's the exact same specs as me. Hopefully it will run well with 8k textures.

 

[Alex Connolly]

I'm sure it is. As I mentioned a few posts up on one 580 the card was only being utilized around 30% and VRAM usage of 600MB before Angular's config. This is at 1080p and it was running at 60fps with 16x AA.

You give me hope, sir. I've become increasingly despondent over the course of the two Rage threads, reading stories of woe and performance issues. Being a PAL peasant, all I can think about is how the unlock later this week will be 20-odd gigs of download and a whole lot of pain for a fellow running an HP Pavilion dual-core i5 4GB with a 5650 Radeon HD 1GB in it's guts. BF3 beta, no issues. Brink, beautiful. Rage?

I'm concerned.

 

[subversus]

What's wrong with the current one? Performance is fine and there are no in-game problems.

Nothing is wrong, just some improvements are on the way according to Thollenshead.

 

[sk3tch]

I would hope the new Nvidia driver adds better SLI support. But it may be too soon. At least it works just fine with it enabled.

 

[RooMHM]

This thread has me feeling like Quake/2/3 config editing never left us I thought we were past this.

Thank god we aren't but this is a lot worse than that. It feels like Quake 4 console commands which are a pain in the ass!

 

[Smokey]

I would hope the new Nvidia driver adds better SLI support. But it may be too soon. At least it works just fine with it enabled.

?

SLI doesn't work in Rage at the moment. If you're getting it to work how so? Afterburner shows 0% utilization for my 2nd card when playing the game...

 

[plagiarize]

*sigh*
Will wait for hi-res texture patch, just like i wish to god i'd waited for the Crysis 2 one.
Graphics may have been upgraded, yet i never want to play that terrible game ever again.

Maybe my first time through would have been better if it hadn't looked like an up-rezzed console game, i'm thinking the same with Rage. Get cracking Jon.

the high res texture patch is unlikely to ever arrive. just doubling texture resolution would be a 24 Gig patch... and god knows what it'd do to VRAM requirements which are already high if you want to eliminate texture popping.