FingerBang
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According to MLID
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Fess
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RT is a struggle but I hope AMD's focus is to save the PC gaming industry by having a lower priced card that can deliver just the right performance for what is actually needed for the CPUs and screens people have. It's cool to see 300fps on a benchmark graph but, yeah, maybe not needed lol
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
The world sees reference RX7900 with 2x150W 8pins. (300W)
Insiders tell him its a ~350W card. (75W from PCIE).
The world sees reference RX7000 being slightly bigger than 6900XT.
Insiders tell him the RX7000s are slightly bigger than 6900XT.
AMD says they plan on launching soon after announcing in Nov.
Insiders tell him launch in Nov or Dec.
The RTX 4080'16G isnt seen as good value.
Insiders tell him the AMD card should offer better value.
How would we live without this guys leaks and insider knowledge.
Fuck dat ninja.
FingerBang
Member
Yeah, there really isn't anything new there. We know the specs and yet we're all still guessing about price and performance and will be until tomorrow.
ToTTenTranz
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It's tomorrow.
GymWolf
Member
Don't know why i thought today was nov 3, my bad
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Not today.
Tomorrow.
8pm GMT.
You should be able to calculate what time it starts in your exact timezone from there.
supernova8
Banned
Yeah it's annoying being in Japan. I'll wake up tomorrow and be like "it's today!!!!!" and then remember it's actually like 5am on 4th November for me.
supernova8
Banned
I'm toying with the idea of just getting a 6700XT or sonething and calling it quits. Probably waiting like another 6 months for low/mid-range RDNA3 anyway.
Irobot82
Member
That's what $375 right now? I've thought about it as well, but, shit I've skipped 2 gens already. May as well wait I guess...
supernova8
Banned
Out of interest how much are you looking to spend? I have a GTX 1650 that is still chugging along. It runs most stuff I want to play at 1080p medium settings 60fps or higher (obviously not the much newer stuff).
I could probably get just under $100 for the 1650 now anyway (they hold their value well despite their being a lot of better options) so considering that I have an AMD APU, I could feasibly survive during the interval between selling my 1650 and getting a new (or rather used) GPU delivered.
BigbyTheSheriff
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MikeM
Member
Smells like a FSR 2.0 title!
MikeM
Member
I have one. Very solid card this far at 1440p
Irobot82
Member
I own a GTX 1080, I think I paid $500 for it the proceeding year it was released. I'm looking around $500-$700 for 1440p, preferably I'd let to get to 144hz on high settings. I don't mind optimizing settings, Ultra is usually a waste of resources. Also, I'd like to see what this ray tracing is all about. I think the only RT game I own is CP2077.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
More Callisto Protocol....IN.
I hope they show off FSR3 or whatever its going to be called.
Hopefully whatever the fuck Wave Matrix Multiply-Accumulate is it actually brings ML technology so they have a DLSS competitor.
Kepler seemed excited about it.
AMD adds WMMA (Wave Matrix Multiply-Accumulate) support to GFX11 (RDNA3) architecture, AMD's Tensor Core? - VideoCardz.com
AMD to have Tensor Core equivalent AMD software engineers began deploying new patches for the upcoming GFX11 architecture, also known as RDNA3. A recent patch indicates that AMD is preparing their own instructions that can operate on matrixes. The company could be paving its way to support...
videocardz.com
Crayon
Member
Reviews: "It's just as fast and $300 cheaper and the rt is finally competitive and FSR2 is a good answer to DLSS. Unfortunately, the RX7900XTX only weighs 4 pounds so we have to give the win to nvidia."
TheRedRiders
Member
So seems like MLiD is now backtracking on some of the performance claims for RDNA 3, as have severel other "leakers" in the past few weeks.
I remember at one point RedGamingTech stated that Nvidia's Lovelace would struggle in RT against RDNA 3, but it's likely the other way around. Now we have MLiD stating that RDNA 3's highest variant, the XTX (not even XT) will struggle to compete in raster against the 4090. This is looking a little bleak for AMD.
However I think the best way for AMD to salvage this (if leaks are true), is to be very competitive on price against the already overpriced Lovelace. I haven't been following the PC market long enough but judging by replies from other posters AMD have always done a historically shit job in taking advantage in such market conditions.
I remember at one point RedGamingTech stated that Nvidia's Lovelace would struggle in RT against RDNA 3, but it's likely the other way around. Now we have MLiD stating that RDNA 3's highest variant, the XTX (not even XT) will struggle to compete in raster against the 4090. This is looking a little bleak for AMD.
However I think the best way for AMD to salvage this (if leaks are true), is to be very competitive on price against the already overpriced Lovelace. I haven't been following the PC market long enough but judging by replies from other posters AMD have always done a historically shit job in taking advantage in such market conditions.
AncientOrigin
Member
Those are just claims could be desinformation.Like others had pointed out based on all calculations the 7900 is twice the performance of the 6900.And twice the performance of the 6900 is already more powerful than a 4090 on paper.Then there is the incredible speed of the cards 7900 is around 3,5 GHZ while some say even more overclockable.I am certain that they will be atleast equal in Raster performance or AMD will win in raster performance.RT Nvidia will be ahead but not that much I think. AMD will win on price, performance, on futures and wattage overall winner will be AMD in every class more so in the entre and middle class also in the Mobil class clear winner
FingerBang
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That is not what he's saying. He's saying that the reference model is somehow restrained compared to the AIB partners, by being limited to 350W. They don't want to sell a massive and expensive card like Nvidia. But AIB partners will be able to push the card more and it should be able to trade blows with the 4090, by using the same coolers they built for Nvidia.
I don't remember him saying the card will beat Nvidia like many others, only that their goal was to double RDNA2 performance and that they apparently did it.
The truth is, no one really knows what the real performance will be and even tomorrow we'll only hear about the most optimistic scenarios. Some people out there believe the 7900xtx will be 10-20% faster than the 4090 at a cheaper price. That is what I call delusional.
TheRedRiders
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I hope so but I'm trying to keep my expectations in check.
I was never expecting AMD to compete with Nvidia in ray-tracing, but I know the more reliable leakers like Keplar have said the RT improvement over RDNA 2 to 3 is more than 2x, which is interesting. I won't be basing my purchase of RT performance because it's still at a poor adoption rate from developers, and most (not all) RT implementations are mediocre despite what Nvidia marketing has people thinking. I think we're still years away from on RT being a standard, and by RT I mean full multi-bounce global illumination and not other gimmicky features like RT shadows.
That being said, if AMD can offer better value on performance per dollar then I'm all in.
Crayon
Member
I'm really interested in RT but you're at least mostly right. If I need a 7600XT to make a worthwhile upgrade, but I have to pay $250 more for a 7800XT to turn on raytracing and get the same framerate... it's just a dumb use of money. It would be a lot cheaper and less time consuming to just watch youtube videos of high end cards running games with rt on/off and try to spot the difference, which is mostly what I would be doing if I had the card anyhow. I'm planning to get through starefield with a 6600XT and FSR2 and then I'll have a long time to figure out the upgrade. I'm interested in a 7600X with a black friday or price drop 12-18 monthes from now.
AncientOrigin
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I wouldn't say that dumb use of money for the same framerate with RT.RT makes a big difference in lots of games and you have to consider that all big games Sony Capcom Square and all others will have amazing RT.Resi 4 comes in a few months will look amazing especially with RT spider man 2 Wolverine is coming
TLOU factions is coming will look amazing with RT.You will get way more enjoyment and immersion also fun from those games with RT.You should wait and see which cards offer what kind of RT then you can make your decision.You can always lower the resolution or effects of your games to play with RT with higher frames .A 7700 especially 7800 will be pretty strong card so you will be good
Crayon
Member
I've seen so few games where the difference is really appreciable. It's more thar I'm fascinated with any new effects in a graphics-whorey kind of way. Control and spiderman are standouts, but mostly becasue normal reflections are not too hot. When it comes to lighting and shadows, the effect is... well suffice to say, more often than not I can't pick out the difference aside from staring at a side-by-side. Non-rt techniques for light and shadow is too good to justify it. I could practically flip the rt pitch around and say that tomb raider features "time-consuming manually tuned non-rt shadows that provide a huge boost in performance."
We'll see with the next round of games. Cyberpunk with several effects going at once shows that it can add up to a real next-level improvement but idk if I'll be able to justify the cost when the time comes to choose between a $400 card and a $600 one for just rt.
MidGenRefresh
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Edit: ignore me!
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AncientOrigin
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Yeah don't hurry you will find a great new card the new AMD cards will be fire hopefully for good price only a few hours left will you be watching life ?
Crayon
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I'll be at work but I'm going to go black on all the news till I get home because I know it will be too distracting. I'm usually losing effectiveness by thursday...
FingerBang
Member
It will probably be a few months, if not a year before you see anything more powerful for that price.
If you need a non stupidly expensive graphics card now, it's a great time to buy.
I was going to get a 6650xt at $300 but, I think this is worth the extra $100. Prices in Canada are fucked, still have major sellers selling 6650xts for $500-$600.
Hell even 6600xts go for $400-$500.
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MikeM
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If I didn't just buy a $499 6700xt i'd be all over this. Damn good deal.
supernova8
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Kudos if you made that yourself lol
I love the "completely ignore ray tracing benchmarks" bit hahaha so true
You can tell they're fucked on RT when they gloss over it
PhoenixTank
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Not live for 19-20 hours, but this should be the official stream link:
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
If I was Nvidia I would arrange the release of portal RTX and cyberpunk 2077 overdrive soon just to make a point
A day ago they posted this
Then have a ton of fan favorites remade in RTX remix, and if they're performance king, i think they'll be cozy.
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rnlval
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Doubling the performance from 6950 XT in both raster and raytracing will still have a major graphics pipeline bottleneck with the BVH raytracing stage, hence any raster performance gain is nearly pointless.
AMD's BVH raytracing workloads need to improve beyond 2X.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-arc-a770-limited-edition-review/5
For a given TFLOPS level, Intel Arc A770 LE's BVH raytracing results already beat AMD's RX 6750 XT.
AncientOrigin
Member
Of course they will they told already that they will show Forspoken and Calisto.With everything the card has to offer they will show footage
AncientOrigin
Member
Where du you have it from ?looks nice
Here it is. 1 GCD and 6 MCD
FingerBang
Member
I'm 100% straight but that is an undeniably sexy chip
Here it is. 1 GCD and 6 MCD
FingerBang
Member
From the article:
Seems like now one knows how performant these chips will be. We only know the reference board and therefore the base cards should be much cheaper to make than the 4090.
twilo99
Member
Here it is. 1 GCD and 6 MCD
Beautiful.
