GigaBowser
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look goord buuuuut woked ahah i would play on switch 2 to fat for ps5 will gets ac origins
Playstation is about graphics, in your opinion is Ghost of Yotei a step back compared to other ps5 games?
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Saber
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I wouldn't say a step back, but the visual improvements are minimal imo.
So its more like stagnated. And this without putting the big dev cycles, they are taking way too much time for what, to use recycle content?
Also I wouldn't be surprised if this a PS4 game running on PS5.
So its more like stagnated. And this without putting the big dev cycles, they are taking way too much time for what, to use recycle content?
Also I wouldn't be surprised if this a PS4 game running on PS5.
TerribleAtThisGame
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This fucking game has made some of you straight retarded. Amazing.
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Bernardougf
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Dont know... thats the problem even if what you are saying is true then it should have launched much earlier... what appears is that Sony in 2022 entered the studio and the soyboys in that SOP presentation had fuck all to show for... them they kicked their buts told them to make whatever was possible and gave the deadline ... oh and Kathleen Kennedy called them and told "put a chick in it and make gay and lame"
My opinion remain the same.. Sony "handsoff" approach got out of control and their studios got lazyyyy as fuck.
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Venom Snake
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You know, i don't run their company, so i don't know what their analysts think about it. But from a purely logical perspective, the more you spend on graphics to meet the "generational requirements" (usually pulled out of someone's ass), the more it will cost you next time, assuming you decide to continue the process.
But we also demand other aspects, we want more diverse locations, we want more freedom, complexity, better animations, sound effects, extensive character development trees, all of this requires raw fucking dev hours that you have to fit into a specific financial and time budget. You can't just slap RT on it and call it quits.
Efficiency is one of the key elements here, if a given studio is not able to check all the above boxes within the assumed timeframe, it better focus on what it does most effectively.
I don't think this strategy will be worse for the publisher/developer than releasing an overdone yet unfinished product that requires numerous patches over many frustrating months to ensure basic functionality. Because that annoys me much more than the graphical stagnation of already proper looking games.
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There are going to be technical improvements but people really haven't come to terms with the fact that technical jumps aren't as noticeable nowadays.you have to look at things in more detail to see differences in lighting and shaders. You had people saying HFW is barley any different from the PS4 version before, now HFW is the best example of the greatest looking PS5 game too. That tells us something regarding what people expect in terms of a jump.
Sucker Punch weren't really entangled in the GaaS hoopla for it to effect GoT unless you consider the released Ghost of Tsushima: Legends itself as part of it.
KenaiPhoenix
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If I where looking good graphics, I would just play on a PC. And this has been forever.
Console were always behind the power of PC, but they were affordable, have great games and convenient to use.
I would take an awful looking game over an on rails/walk simulator limited game that just looks cool.
Console were always behind the power of PC, but they were affordable, have great games and convenient to use.
I would take an awful looking game over an on rails/walk simulator limited game that just looks cool.
SILKYSMOOTH30FPS
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There is no excuse for having such low res textures in a Sony exclusive. I could understand if this was a fromsoft game, but not a Sony first party dev that is known to push visuals with pretty much every release. It's straight up ps4 level textures from 2017-2019.
Danjin44
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I feel like GAF have become too overly obsessed with graphics which makes them unable enjoy games.
I personally much rather devs focus on interesting game mechanics and interactivity over graphics.....I take good art direction over "high tech graphics" any day.
I personally much rather devs focus on interesting game mechanics and interactivity over graphics.....I take good art direction over "high tech graphics" any day.
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Hero_Select
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We are past the point in graphics in AAA video games. They all look fantasitc. All I care about now is visual clarity and art style and not how much pixels the game is pushing out.
The game looks gorgeous. People need to grow up.
The game looks gorgeous. People need to grow up.
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Hero of Spielberg
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I don't think it's a step back, just doesn't seem to be a great step forward from 5 years ago
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
It's not the GPUs that make the graphics, it's the budget.
If Sony keeps releasing PS4-likes games, I feel like the boundaries will never be crossed again, because if not Sony, who?
I trully recommend that this game be boycotted, otherwise the next one will go down another step and another. The developers cannot have the perception that no pain no gain.
simpatico
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Yeah there are some pictures of the developers at Sucker Punch from very recent years. I don't think any creative company can withstand that influx. Eventually it just wipes it out. I'd imagine some talent was walked out the door over it.
This brings up a point I've wanted to see discussed for a long time. How can we start learning the names of individual devs rather than studios so we can follow their work? There really isn't a medium like gaming where you're so disconnected from knowing who the artist is. Now it actually works against us to even assume we're buying a follow up piece. In movies you can follow directors, actors, cinematographers. But gaming it's tough because even in the credits the lists are so long. In any workplace there are only a small handful at the top who really move the ball while everyone else just skates along just getting by.
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Gamer_By_Proxy
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Xbox peeps with their 30fps games "it's a creative decision". The same peeps when a PlayStation game releases "get the magnifying glass boy! And slow down the video to 5 fps and zoom into that piece of grass 30 yards away, man it looks like trash!"
Just looking at the video textures are generally great quality and I don't see anything wrong with most of them:
I've seen some people post some lowres rocks but all it does is remind me of those who concentrated on some low res rocks in FF7:rebirth or that door in FF7:remake to suggest it looked ugly. Making a Yotei mountain out of a molehill.
clappedcheeks
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Is there an option to say "let's wait until we have uncompressed direct footage from our consoles to our beautiful 4K screens before we decide".
Shifty1897
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Yeah, I'm no fan of Sony decision making for the most part this generation and have been very vocal about that, but this game looks like a winner to me, just like the first Ghost game.
Also that Watanabe mode? I saw that and immediately said:
metareferential
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Help us Naughty Dog Kenobi, you're our only hope.Microsoft bought Naughty Dog?
Ryūtō
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This modern gaming landscape is insufferable. Games look good enough, what we need to be worrying about is performance. Games can barely run at a steady frame rate, yet gamers are always worried about whether they can see the pores in a characters skin or not.
Most of these AAA games end up lackluster because they try to have graphics carry them instead of having, y'know, actual fun gameplay.
Most of these AAA games end up lackluster because they try to have graphics carry them instead of having, y'know, actual fun gameplay.
Fbh
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I don't disagree.
I've honestly been pretty lukewarm on most Sony first party games this gen.
As I said, I'm not particularly excited about Yotei. I thought the first game was a 7/10, and this just looks like more of the same.
Visually though, it's one of the nicest looking games this gen IMO. And I'm a big fan of the approach Sony studios have taking in recent years, prioritizing good IQ at 60fps even on base PS5.
So the visuals being the one thing most people are complaining about (at least on GAF) is just bizarre to me.
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
No game that doesn't present graphical evolution stands out. But to deceive us, they make trailers with fake graphic features.
state of play gameplay
Ghost of Yotei announcement
state of play gameplay
Ghost of Yotei announcement
powder
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It's the volumetric lighting and some of the more complex shadows. They ALWAYS kill that good shit when they have to make optimization cuts.No game that doesn't present graphical evolution stands out. But to deceive us, they make trailers with fake graphic features.
state of play gameplay
Ghost of Yotei announcement
yurinka
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PlayStation is mostly about a great library of many great games, many of which have great graphics.
I think Ghost of Yotei visuals aren't a step back. They're good, are ok, but not the usual jump commonly seen in other Sony big AAA games as recently was the case of DS2.
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vaibhavpisal
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I would call this optimisation.
Texture work is slight downgrade compared to what was done previously (relative to hardware).
But overall it has a look and feel of a good audiovisual title, that offers good experience.
If this helps companies in making games for PS4 budgets (which were already too high), its fine.
Texture work is slight downgrade compared to what was done previously (relative to hardware).
But overall it has a look and feel of a good audiovisual title, that offers good experience.
If this helps companies in making games for PS4 budgets (which were already too high), its fine.
Kerotan
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Negative Xbox news was down 30% for the month of May in the US.Man we need some more negative xbox news
RetroGamingUK
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No game that doesn't present graphical evolution stands out. But to deceive us, they make trailers with fake graphic features.
state of play gameplay
Ghost of Yotei announcement
Time of day
MatrixReloaded101
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It's clearly a PS4 game that was polished for PS5 but the art direction is still great.
kiphalfton
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Lack of competition.
During PS1 era there was N64 and Dreamcast.
During PS2 era there was GameCube and Xbox.
During PS3 era there was Xbox 360.
Competition peaked during PS3/Xbox 360 era, as the Xbox 360 was an absolute juggernaut.
Xbox One offered okay competition, but nowhere close to the Xbox 360 vs PS3, and not even on par with Xbox vs PS2.
Sony essentially has no competition now, as Nintendo went down their own very unique path, carved out a niche for themselves, and so can't really be compared to Sony or Microsoft.
During PS1 era there was N64 and Dreamcast.
During PS2 era there was GameCube and Xbox.
During PS3 era there was Xbox 360.
Competition peaked during PS3/Xbox 360 era, as the Xbox 360 was an absolute juggernaut.
Xbox One offered okay competition, but nowhere close to the Xbox 360 vs PS3, and not even on par with Xbox vs PS2.
Sony essentially has no competition now, as Nintendo went down their own very unique path, carved out a niche for themselves, and so can't really be compared to Sony or Microsoft.
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CZY
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In these days of diminishing returns, people are still making this "argument" and getting 8+ updoots for it. Lmao. Is it 2006? Select "higher picture quality" on YouTube's settings and it's 98.6% the exact same thing you'll see on your tv. Gimme a fucking break.
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ResetEraVetVIP
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Doesn't look bad, it just should actually use next gen technology like microgeometry and RTGI…
GigaBowser
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garphics armazing buuuut animation look jonky they must patch for lunch
ResetEraVetVIP
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It's not that the game isn't beautiful, its the fact that it should look way better. There should be a huge difference between GoT and GoY, it should look CGI like. A PS4 is 1.84 TFLOPS and a PS5 is ~10 TFLOPS. There should be much more geometric density and RTGI. The art direction is absolutely beautiful, but it should look CGI like with the same art direction…
Crayon
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If not sony, someone else. That's the thing about falling behind. I think if sony backed off on pushing graphics hard, others would follow. You'd still have occasional games that blow us away, though.
The idea that this game doesn't look good enough is shaky, though. Yeah we can name games that look better but that's not a ton and this game is consistent with others we would consider to have "good graphics". It's not like there's much out there that is making this look outright bad in comparison. By similar realistic standards, the improvement over the last gen game is underwhelming but in line with what we get these days.
The way things have changed, we are getting kinda screwed out of full use of our hardware. Changing that could mean games stuck at 30fps or something like the pro having its own games. "If things were different" so to speak. But today the nature of AAA games being "scalable" down to baselines is the reality. The baseline creeps up, but slowly. And it's never going to be near what nicer hardware could do if you pushed it.
Near-standard 60fps on console is a reasonable trade though. It's because PS5 is not usually the baseline. The baseline is often significantly lower. It's not all bad.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No game that doesn't present graphical evolution stands out. But to deceive us, they make trailers with fake graphic features.
state of play gameplay
Ghost of Yotei announcement
I like how the candles are more brightly lit and vibrant in the day time veruss night time.
HRK69
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What a catastrophically bad take. You've managed to misunderstand both game development and hardware in one breath
A massive budget with outdated hardware limitations still results in compromises. That's why cross-gen games can look good but rarely do anything truly next-gen in terms of scale, physics, AI, or streaming tech. GPUs absolutely matter
Its somehow a "PS4-like" game because... it has samurai? Because you watched a trailer and saw a sword? What boundaries are you even talking about? Flying horses? Teleportation?
Ah yes, let's boycott one of the few first-party devs that still release complete, polished, single-player games bcause you personally imagined it should look like a Pixar movie in real time
This is up there in the top 10 saddest takes on GAF
Boycotting a game because it doesn't look good enough lmfao
Sucker Punch already went through the pain. Years of tech R&D, a whole new engine, a brand-new setting, and a seamless open world with no load screens
You're out here pretending they made a reskin with a zero-dollar effort.
If you're incapable of seeing progress because you're stuck comparing frames of a compressed YouTube trailer to some imaginary photorealistic benchmark.
What a fucking embarrassing post
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
it's a ps4 game, a crossgen game
gta 6, aw2 and hellblade 2 are current gen games, unfortunately ghost of yotei is not classified as a ps5 game, a port assassin's creed shadows for ps4 would be more difficult maybe 720p 15fps while yotei would easily run at 900p30fps imo.
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
poll
is Ghost of Yotei a step back compared to other ps5 games?
yes, unfortunately 37.8%
total voters 193
this is the majority opinion, If you're going to blame someone, blame Sony ok
is Ghost of Yotei a step back compared to other ps5 games?
yes, unfortunately 37.8%
total voters 193
this is the majority opinion, If you're going to blame someone, blame Sony ok
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Killjoy-NL
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New goalpost?
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Eh in this case looks like a different time of day.No game that doesn't present graphical evolution stands out. But to deceive us, they make trailers with fake graphic features.
state of play gameplay
Ghost of Yotei announcement
Yes that's why we get gems like Minds Eye created by those 'handful at the top'.
The 'master auteur' myth is the reverse Keyser Soze of game industry.
Gen.Grievous
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Since when is Playstation about graphics? They have multiple studios. Some make very nice looking games and some make games that are pretty average looking. It's mostly the variety that has always attracted people to Playstation. Their goty last year was Astrobot.
Your math aint mathing.