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[FrenchMovieTheme]

But Seattle already took on Jimmy Grahams big salary and extended an aging Lynch, Sherman is a top paid CB, so fuck this everyone gets paid but you mentality.

what are you arguing about? i never said wilson shouldn't get a gigantic pay raise. infact, i hope he does become the highest paid QB in nfl history! my argument is about where he fits in the QB rankings in the league and i don't think he is elite. just because you're not elite doesn't mean you can't get paid a shit load of money

So then you have to ask the question of which is more likely: Finding someone to adequately replace Wagner at linebacker for less money than he would ask for (and/or whomever they lose on the defensive front, since the secondary is basically set for now), or finding someone to replace Wilson at QB. And I'd argue that it would be harder to find a replacement QB than replacement defensive players, since:

a.) We see good deals on defensive players every year, and we don't see good starting QB deals that often.

b.) Much easier to draft good defensive talent later in the draft than a good QB. You can get a very good linebacker, or a good D-Line prospect, at the end of the first round. Drafting QBs around that area is a much spottier proposition (arguably, the most successful one drafted in that area the last few years is Bridgewater, and the most successful one drafted later than that is Wilson).

wagner is just an example. there are more players they would lose beyond wagner. you may say it means little, but look at the superbowl and how lack of depth hurt them.

we can go around and around on it but we'll only find out once it actually happens (or doesn't happen if they were to let him go and test out someone else). One thing is for certain: seattle giving wussle a pay raise (whether making him the highest paid QB or one of the highest paid) makes them a worse team. thumbs up in my book! get your money wussle!

 

[Vyer]

Seahawks don't have much of a choice. No one wants to be in that 'hunt for a franchise QB' mode.

Eh...Tate put up career numbers because he went to a team that was designed around a passing game and had the best receiver in the NFL on the other side of the field holding the defenses' attention (and I realize megatron was hurt for some game last year).

Systems are designed to win games, not pile on offensive stats. Wilson is a very good drop-back passer but that isn't his primary role so it isn't as evident as it is with other qbs. I would be stunned if Seattle doesn't re-sign him...the fact that they haven't signed him yet means nothing.

Fwiw, Tate's career numbers came when megaton was off the field.

 

[offtopic]

Seahawks don't have much of a choice. No one wants to be in that 'hunt for a franchise QB' mode.



Fwiw, Tate's career numbers came when megaton was off the field.

I already acknowledged that megatron was hurt for part of the season?

Doesn't mean he didn't have an impact and the fact is that Detroit runs a passing offense so stats will, of course, be inflated.

 

[offtopic]

Good passers tend to pass the ball quicker.
Wilson is a good Madden 2004 passer. He can somehow pull it off.
This isn't time in pocket like it says it is time spent behind the LOS before you throw or run past the LOS.

Aaron Rodgers is an exception because he is so greedy because he knows he can sniper throws as scramble.
Bridgewater is a rookie so his slower find and throw makes some sense.

Everyone else is a shit tier passing QB who doesn't see the field and react with a good pass on a consistent basis.

Looks like a list of good scramblers sorted arbitrarily as affects of offensive system and offensive line effectiveness would be part of the equation as well. Drawing some conclusion beyond that is just reaching.

 

[ViperVisor]

Tate broke more tackles and got more YAC than anyone. 720 yards.

Wilson style of holding the ball and defense breaks down and tossing it up isn't what the 5-10 Tate is best for. It worked fine in SEA because the run game and play-action and QB running kept the defense looking in the backfield a second longer.

Stafford is sloppy but he throws it on time and as Tate got a little separation quick if the pass is accurate he maintains the space for making guys miss after the catch.

 

[Kastrioti]

Tate broke more tackles and got more YAC than anyone. 720 yards.

Wilson style of holding the ball and defense breaks down and tossing it up isn't what the 5-10 Tate is best for. It worked fine in SEA because the run game and play-action and QB running kept the defense looking in the backfield a second longer.

Stafford is sloppy but he throws it on time and as Tate got a little separation quick if the pass is accurate he maintains the space for making guys miss after the catch.

I agree with your points except the Stafford is sloppy part. Dude has a gunslinging arm the likes of Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers. He can make any throw he wants and can squeeze it into triple coverage if need be. Best QB under 30 years old in that area, no doubt about it.

A lot of Tate's YAC were after long bombs where he had 15-20 yards of separation but Tate is a baller and can make plays with the ball in his hands.

Seattle loss was our gain last season. I love having Tate on our team.

Andrew Luck can't throw with the speed or velocity that Matthew Stafford has and like Wilson makes a lot of his plays with his feet.

 

[Gigglepoo]

You don't think Kaep would do as well as Wilson on that team, with that defense? Or shit even Alex Smith?

A) As a Niner fan, I don't think Kaep or Smith would be as good as Wilson is on Seattle.

B) Seattle isn't getting either of those QBs anyway. How do you propose they replace Wilson?

 

[watershed]

Undoubtedly Russ does have his limits as a QB and he benefits immensely from playing in Seattle, in a system that masks a lot of his weaknesses. The dominant run game and defense go a long way towards each and everyone of our victories. That said, he is a very good QB, his style compliments what the Seahawks do, and the team can't afford to lose him. Comparing Russ to other, already under contract QBs is pointless fan talk. There is no other available QB who is as good as Russ or as good a fit for our system. He has all the leverage and he will get a very good deal here now or a better deal elsewhere next season.

 

[shintoki]

Seattle could always through it back.

While it will hurt Seattle, how many teams have a team that can support him? He will be moving from the best defense in the league and a strong run game.

 

[offtopic]

I agree with your points except the Stafford is sloppy part. Dude has a gunslinging arm the likes of Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers. He can make any throw he wants and can squeeze it into triple coverage if need be. Best QB under 30 years old in that area, no doubt about it.

A lot of Tate's YAC were after long bombs where he had 15-20 yards of separation but Tate is a baller and can make plays with the ball in his hands.

Seattle loss was our gain last season. I love having Tate on our team.

Andrew Luck can't throw with the speed or velocity that Matthew Stafford has and like Wilson makes a lot of his plays with his feet.

Both Luck and Wilson are a lot better than Stafford. Deal with it. Cherry-picking gifs of hard throws proves nothing. Pretty sure I could find a number of Kaep throwing it quite a bit harder but will leave that for someone with massive time on their hands.

 

[mugoldeneagle03]

Does Wilson deserve that type of money? No.

Is Wilson doing the right thing by asking for it? Yes.

You see if there's one thing you cant argue with its results, and the market he'd be facing. He's done nothing but great things for the Seahawks, he's THE perfect quarterback for that offense & defense. Wilson means more to the Hawks then they do to him.

I'm a Wilson fan too, got to see him play while he was here at Wisconsin. The guy is solid, he doesn't have to be Rodgers or Brady to win games and if he leaves whatever team chooses him will build the exact same type of offense around him.

Wilson is smart for asking for it. No different than Joe Flacco whom I fucking hate with a passion and somehow Wilson is getting more shit that he did when he asked for money.

If I'm the Seahawks I don't pay him, but it's so hard not to...

 

[zeshakag]

As a Seattle fan...I don't wanna go back to not having a franchise QB. I know Hasselbeck was our last franchise QB...but this is different. Look at all the other teams where the QB is obviously their guy.. Constant contention, there's always hope and something to look forward to. This is something beautiful for us and I reallly don't want to lose Wilson. These kinds of QB's, even if you don't consider Wilson top 8-10, don't come along often enough to dump the guy you ALREADY have.

 

[LJ11]

Over the last 65 years only two QBs have passed more frequently over their careers than Matt Stafford which is fucking awful considering how poor a QB he is. Obviously this is adjusted for era. Wilson on the other hand is dead last in pass happiness. Numbers are per football perspective.

Colts were historically a horizontal pass team that would hit you deep after your crept up, different team but same coaches. You should expect Tate to get yac in that O since they stretch horizontally, and he'll have more receiving opportunities to do so considering how often Stafford drops back, he was up there again last season.

Seattle's pass offense isn't very good, so they don't attempt to pass much, which is smart. Now some may feel that Wilson is the reason, but look at that roster and let me know which receivers stand out. Outside of Tate they had fuck all. They've tried to bolster that side of the ball the last couple of offseasons. Lets see how it works out.

There's a tendency to hang on to the ball when your receivers can't get open. That unit is fucking garbage. It would have been amazing if they won that superbowl by just throwing up balls to Matthews. Wilson missed reads in that game, early on, but his WRs were plastered a ton. They just weren't separating, and he missed some looks when they did get open. But they still had a shot at winning that game.

 

[rokkerkory]

Pay him, he deserves it. Without him, the Hawks will be at best a 9-7 team.

 

[hodayathink]

wagner is just an example. there are more players they would lose beyond wagner. you may say it means little, but look at the superbowl and how lack of depth hurt them.

we can go around and around on it but we'll only find out once it actually happens (or doesn't happen if they were to let him go and test out someone else). One thing is for certain: seattle giving wussle a pay raise (whether making him the highest paid QB or one of the highest paid) makes them a worse team. thumbs up in my book! get your money wussle!

Letting Wilson walk makes them worse, too. You still haven't said who they get to replace him that doesn't make the offense worse. Both options make them worse. That's what happens when you draft good players in the salary cap era (and don't continue to draft well enough to find their low-cost replacements). Like I said, the question becomes who they think is easier to replace: whomever they lose on defense if they resign him, or him.

 

[Alcotholic]

I'm not a follower of football, so I don't know the value of a player, but 21m is a lot of money. He's probably rich as fuck already, what would he do with that much anyway?

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Come on Kap isn't on Russells level, besides he will avg. 17-18 million per year. The only team friendly portion of that contract is that he is easily cuttable due to the little guaranteed money. Besides Russel came off a SB appearance and not a down year, he won the same way Flacco won. If Kap had another run like the previous year the story would be completely, Kap would be rocking diamond incrusted Dolphins hats to training camp.

If you are implying that Flacco won the Super Bowl because of his defense, you could not be more wrong. The Baltimore defense was bad that year (Or at the very least, mediocre), and he had one of the best post seasons of all time.

Mind you, that doesn't mean that Flacco is some amazing Hall Of Fame QB, but he sure as hell didn't win on the backs of the defense that year.

 

[rokkerkory]

I'm not a follower of football, so I don't know the value of a player, but 21m is a lot of money. He's probably rich as fuck already, what would he do with that much anyway?

He isn't by any NFL player means, he is getting near rock bottom salary for last 3 years.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

I'm not a follower of football, so I don't know the value of a player, but 21m is a lot of money. He's probably rich as fuck already, what would he do with that much anyway?

He's actually not rich as fuck. He's being horribly underpaid due to the fact the Seahawks drafted him in the third round and is being paid the rookie minimum that he signed after being drafted. His four year rookie contract nets him $2,996,702.

QB is the top rated position in the NFL. The NFL makes billions and is owned by billionaire owners. As the years have gone on the cap has gone up and more money has been able to be given to players. Past contracts have granted far less skilled players a fuck ton of money, and due to his past performance (Two superbowl appearances, one win, in his first three years), his agent and himself are fighting to be the top paid QB in the league for the new contract.

The NFL is a game where your life can literally change in one play. The Seahawks have been getting by for the past three years due to having amazingly good players on the cheap, so that's where the drama is coming from.

 

[mr2xxx]

If you are implying that Flacco won the Super Bowl because of his defense, you could not be more wrong. The Baltimore defense was bad that year (Or at the very least, mediocre), and he had one of the best post seasons of all time.

Mind you, that doesn't mean that Flacco is some amazing Hall Of Fame QB, but he sure as hell didn't win on the backs of the defense that year.

I was implying Flacco and Wilson came off great years where they took their teams to the SB unlike Kap who had a down year thus Wilson and Flacco could command a lot of money while Kap just raised questions if he was worth it and had to settle for less.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

I was implying Flacco and Wilson came off great years where they took their teams to the SB unlike Kap who had a down year thus Wilson and Flacco could command a lot of money while Kap just raised questions if he was worth it and had to settle for less.

Ah, my mistake.

 

[LJ11]

Wilson has only attempted 30 or more passes 14 times. His TD/INT ratio is actually better when attempting more throws, while his completion percentage is virtually the same. Sample sizes and all that but we only have two full seasons to judge him on. He was excellent in 2013, but took a few steps back in 2014 some of it is personnel related imo. When you don't trust your teammates you don't trust yourself, nothing worse than hesitation.

Story is still being written, but I'm betting he's more like 2013 than 2014. Guys like him don't grow on trees.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Letting Wilson walk makes them worse, too. You still haven't said who they get to replace him that doesn't make the offense worse. Both options make them worse. That's what happens when you draft good players in the salary cap era (and don't continue to draft well enough to find their low-cost replacements). Like I said, the question becomes who they think is easier to replace: whomever they lose on defense if they resign him, or him.

i already told you i can't say who they would replace him with without knowing who is available. nor can you

 

[LJ11]

You know what it's 3 full seasons, my mistake, thought he didn't get a start early in 2012 but looks like he did.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

I was implying Flacco and Wilson came off great years where they took their teams to the SB unlike Kap who had a down year thus Wilson and Flacco could command a lot of money while Kap just raised questions if he was worth it and had to settle for less.

kap got paid before the start of last season and he was coming off a pretty good year. he won 2 road playoff games and put up pretty good numbers. to a degree, younger players are paid on their potential. kap was paid on his potential and the fact that he produced wins in the playoffs

 

[hodayathink]

i already told you i can't say who they would replace him with without knowing who is available. nor can you

Do we know everyone that will be available? No. We can have a good idea of some of the guys who will be, and a better idea of who won't be. Of all the QBs in the NFL that you could reasonably expect to be available in free agency next year, who would you sign to replace him?

Edit: Actually, you know what, I'm going to make it easier than that. If you could have any QB that hasn't signed or significantly restructured their deal either this year or last year, or isn't very clearly not going anywhere (Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford, etc.), who would you choose to replace him?

 

[Curtisaur]

I want $21,000,000.00 a year.

 

[mr2xxx]

i already told you i can't say who they would replace him with without knowing who is available. nor can you

Currently 2016 FA are Eli, Rivers, Bradford, after that, Brock, Cassell, Tjax, Chase Daniel and that caliber player. Manning is staying, Rivers most likely, Bradford if he performs most likely, rumors are Denver is going to lock up Brock if he performs well in pre season. After that you are fucked.

kap got paid before the start of last season and he was coming off a pretty good year. he won 2 road playoff games and put up pretty good numbers. to a degree, younger players are paid on their potential. kap was paid on his potential and the fact that he produced wins in the playoffs

My bad, got the wrong year. Kap could of got paid more, 20 mill. Probably.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Currently 2016 FA are Eli, Rivers, Bradford, after that, Brock, Cassell, Tjax, Chase Daniel and that caliber player. Manning is staying, Rivers most likely, Bradford if he performs most likely, rumors are Denver is going to lock up Brock if he performs well in pre season. After that you are fucked.



My bad, got the wrong year. Kap could of got paid more, 20 mill. Probably.

i would take eli and rivers over wussle. so 2/3rds of the incoming FA's (according to that list!)

and kap could've gotten more money than he did but he took a team friendly deal. that is the only reason i brought up his name because someone said no young QB's are taking team friendly deals

 

[mr2xxx]

Those guys won't be there though and you know it.

Here are the likely studs to replace him.

Drew Stanton QB ARI $3,866,668 UFA
Chad Henne QB JAC $3,500,000 UFA
Ryan Fitzpatrick QB NYJ $3,250,000 UFA
Matt Hasselbeck QB IND $3,000,000 UFA
Matt Moore QB MIA $2,600,000 UFA
Charlie Whitehurst QB TEN $2,500,000 UFA
Christian Ponder QB OAK $2,250,000 UFA
Matt Schaub QB BAL $2,000,000 UFA
Bruce Gradkowski QB PIT $1,833,334 UFA
Kellen Clemens QB SD $1,822,500 UFA
Russell Wilson QB SEA $1,696,868 UFA
Nick Foles QB STL $1,542,000 UFA
Austin Davis QB STL $1,542,000 RFA
Tarvaris Jackson QB SEA $1,500,000 UFA
T.J. Yates QB ATL $1,500,000 UFA
Derek Anderson QB CAR $1,464,000 UFA
Scott Tolzien QB GB $1,200,000 UFA
Jimmy Clausen QB CHI $1,125,000 UFA
Brock Osweiler QB DEN $1,118,944 UFA
Kirk Cousins QB WAS $778,172 UFA
Matt Flynn QB NE $665,000 UFA
Luke McCown QB NO $665,000 UFA
Joe Webb QB CAR $665,000 UFA
Dan Orlovsky QB DET $665,000 UFA
Josh Johnson QB CIN $665,000 UFA
Ricky Stanzi QB NYG $660,000 UFA
Tim Tebow QB PHI $660,000 UFA
Brandon Weeden QB DAL $660,000 UFA
Mike Kafka QB MIN $660,000 UFA
Thaddeus Lewis QB CLE $585,000 UFA
Matt McGloin QB OAK $585,000 RFA
McLeod Bethel-Thompson QB MIA $585,000 RFA
Case Keenum QB STL $585,000 RFA
Matt Simms QB BUF $585,000 RFA
Tyler Bray QB KC $513,334 RFA
Chandler Harnish QB ARI $510,000 ERFA
Zac Dysert QB DEN $510,000 ERFA
Garrett Gilbert QB DET $445,000 ERFA
Matt Blanchard QB GB $435,000 RFA
Tajh Boyd QB PIT $435,000 ERFA
Keith Wenning QB CIN $435,000 ERFA
Bryn Renner QB BAL $435,000 ERFA


Pick the Wussle replacement!

 

[Purple Cheeto]

He should go play baseball. Save his body and make money.

He's pretty terrible at baseball though.

I'm not a follower of football, so I don't know the value of a player, but 21m is a lot of money. He's probably rich as fuck already, what would he do with that much anyway?

Probably continue to funnel it to the ultra conservative right wing religious cult he belongs to.

Spoiler

I think he quit the cult though so maybe not that.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Those guys won't be there though and you know it.

Here are the likely studs to replace him.

Drew Stanton QB ARI $3,866,668 UFA
Chad Henne QB JAC $3,500,000 UFA
Ryan Fitzpatrick QB NYJ $3,250,000 UFA
Matt Hasselbeck QB IND $3,000,000 UFA
Matt Moore QB MIA $2,600,000 UFA
Charlie Whitehurst QB TEN $2,500,000 UFA
Christian Ponder QB OAK $2,250,000 UFA
Matt Schaub QB BAL $2,000,000 UFA
Bruce Gradkowski QB PIT $1,833,334 UFA
Kellen Clemens QB SD $1,822,500 UFA
Russell Wilson QB SEA $1,696,868 UFA
Nick Foles QB STL $1,542,000 UFA
Austin Davis QB STL $1,542,000 RFA
Tarvaris Jackson QB SEA $1,500,000 UFA
T.J. Yates QB ATL $1,500,000 UFA
Derek Anderson QB CAR $1,464,000 UFA
Scott Tolzien QB GB $1,200,000 UFA
Jimmy Clausen QB CHI $1,125,000 UFA
Brock Osweiler QB DEN $1,118,944 UFA
Kirk Cousins QB WAS $778,172 UFA
Matt Flynn QB NE $665,000 UFA
Luke McCown QB NO $665,000 UFA
Joe Webb QB CAR $665,000 UFA
Dan Orlovsky QB DET $665,000 UFA
Josh Johnson QB CIN $665,000 UFA
Ricky Stanzi QB NYG $660,000 UFA
Tim Tebow QB PHI $660,000 UFA
Brandon Weeden QB DAL $660,000 UFA
Mike Kafka QB MIN $660,000 UFA
Thaddeus Lewis QB CLE $585,000 UFA
Matt McGloin QB OAK $585,000 RFA
McLeod Bethel-Thompson QB MIA $585,000 RFA
Case Keenum QB STL $585,000 RFA
Matt Simms QB BUF $585,000 RFA
Tyler Bray QB KC $513,334 RFA
Chandler Harnish QB ARI $510,000 ERFA
Zac Dysert QB DEN $510,000 ERFA
Garrett Gilbert QB DET $445,000 ERFA
Matt Blanchard QB GB $435,000 RFA
Tajh Boyd QB PIT $435,000 ERFA
Keith Wenning QB CIN $435,000 ERFA
Bryn Renner QB BAL $435,000 ERFA


Pick the Wussle replacement!

is your question still whether i think wussle should get paid? he should, and none of those people are better than him (even though mcblt will be a HOF someday!). i will say again: wussle deserves a huge payday. i don't think he is an elite QB. end of story

 

[mr2xxx]

Just replying to this.

i already told you i can't say who they would replace him with without knowing who is available. nor can you

That's the most likely available, minus Foles. What do you do, pay him or roll with one of these guys?

 

[Jonm1010]

As someone said earlier, elite defenses with solid QB play can win championships.

Elite QB play with solid defenses can win championships.

Those seem to be the two winning formulas in recent history.

Does anyone in here really think that as the team balance shifts from Defensive and running-game focused to Wilson-centric, as money tied up in Wilson and Graham will inevitably force the organization to do, that Wilson will be able to take and win with a less elite defensive and running game team?

Because I personally don't.

 

[Afrikan]

Bias and Hidden agenda aside...He definitely deserves more than Rodgers. We beat Aaron and Wilson beats us. The Seahawks need come to their senses. You don't fuck around in a situation like this. Stop overthinking it and throw Pride aside. Get the deal done and give him what he's asking for and get ready for the season and a wonder future.

 

[mr2xxx]

As someone said earlier, elite defenses with solid QB play can win championships.

Elite QB play with solid defenses can win championships.

Those seem to be the two winning formulas in recent history.

Does anyone in here really think that as the team balance shifts from Defensive and running-game focused to Wilson-centric, as money tied up in Wilson and Graham will inevitably force the organization to do, that Wilson will be able to take and win with a less elite defensive and running game team?

Because I personally don't.

I do, as LJ said, Wilson only got better when the team asked him to throw it 30+ times. Now add a legit weapon in Graham he should be able to do more if the defense starts to decline.

 

[The Albatross]

But what's guaranteed? Offer $100 million per year is useless if only 1 penny is guaranteed


That's how these NFL contracts work

Finally took this many posts. People lost it when kap got that huge contact but so little was guaranteed that it's a very team friendly deal.

Seattle should pay him. The price of a franchise quarterback is... Priceless

Lol at the let Wilson walk people. This will never happen and Seattle would be done with some other shit qb. There are no free agent qbs anymore.

 

[jtb]

The only good argument I can think for any team not paying Wilson 21m+ a year is that he is more injury prone than other QBs. Obviously, he's been very durable so far, but you have to question whether his extreme reliance on scrambling, coupled with holding onto the ball so long, due to his height will lead to him being a higher injury risk than your Brady/Brees/Peyton/Rodgers (and even Rodgers takes more hits because he also holds onto the ball longer).

The only way Wilson "walks" is if some team offers a boatload of picks for the privilege to pay him that kind of money—and even then, I'm not sure if which team would be willing to cough up so many assets or whether Seattle would accept the deal.

 

[atr0cious]

Please give him the money. He's nowhere near as good as that money signifies, but it's what they deserve.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Just replying to this.



That's the most likely available, minus Foles. What do you do, pay him or roll with one of these guys?

saying "i can't say who they would replace him with" if they decide to move on from him or what plan they would have if they decided to do that is just a statement. maybe they have a plan (the draft, FA, etc) i have no idea

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

I do, as LJ said, Wilson only got better when the team asked him to throw it 30+ times. Now add a legit weapon in Graham he should be able to do more if the defense starts to decline.

people said the same thing about adding harvin. what happened with that?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Please give him the money. He's nowhere near as good as that money signifies, but it's what they deserve.

He's the hero they deserve, not the one they need right now?

Yeah, I agree.

 

[JCizzle]

Does the $21m come with PEDs included, or does he need to buy those separately?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

If the Seahawks don't think he is elite, then they shouldn't be paying him $17 million a year either. The fact is they do think he's elite, as they won a SB with him. How good he is compared to other guys doesn't matter, and Wilson and his agent are smart enough to know that. Most teams know how hard it is to find a QB good enough to get to a super bowl with. They don't grow on trees so when you get one, you do everything you have to do to keep him. If that makes things difficult when it comes to the salary cap maybe the owners should think about that next time there's a bargaining agreement on the table.

 

[atr0cious]

He's the hero they deserve, not the one they need right now?

Yeah, I agree.

He's a decent qb, in that he trusts his teammates enough to make him look good. His lob hail mary style may not marry well with other teams though.He's no Romo.

 

[Deleted member 325805]

I'd toss an egg for way less, put me in coach!

 

[Zeenbor]

The dude is a (young) Tiger Woods of the NFL.

In the words of Deon:

PAY THE MAN!

 

[mr2xxx]

people said the same thing about adding harvin. what happened with that?

Bad move on their part, injury and character isuess. What does that have to do with Russel unless you're trying to say he is at fault for that somehow. Don't really see your point.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Bad move on their part, injury and character isuess. What does that have to do with Russel unless you're trying to say he is at fault for that somehow. Don't really see your point.

He was supposedly an elite play making wr. Gets to Seattle and more or less does very little (even when healthy). Wussle or the seahawks OC or both couldn't take advantage of his skillset. Can they with graham (another injury prone player with talent)?

 

[Bread]

Bias and Hidden agenda aside...He definitely deserves more than Rodgers. We beat Aaron and Wilson beats us. The Seahawks need come to their senses. You don't fuck around in a situation like this. Stop overthinking it and throw Pride aside. Get the deal done and give him what he's asking for and get ready for the season and a wonder future.

you forgot to put your bias and hidden agenda aside