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[Gigglepoo]

Can we at least agree the salary cap should be (at least) twice as large as it is now? It's insane how little NFL players make compared to other leagues.

Brady is old and has a super duper rich hot wife.

Isn't Wilson engaged to a pop star?

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Kaep is the sixth highest paid qb over the next three years. The only thing team friendly about his deal is that he can be cut before the beginning of each season.

uh, ok? don't you think the seahawks would gladly pay wussle top 6 money?

Come on Kap isn't on Russells level, besides he will avg. 17-18 million per year. The only team friendly portion of that contract is that he is easily cuttable due to the little guaranteed money. Besides Russel came off a SB appearance and not a down year, he won the same way Flacco won. If Kap had another run like the previous year the story would be completely, Kap would be rocking diamond incrusted Dolphins hats to training camp.

yes he is on russells level. they are both mid tier QB's in my opinion. i'd give wussle the nod overall but if i had to group a set of qbs elite, great, really good, good, etc. kap and wussle would be in the same grouping. pointless to really argue it because you think russell is a top 5 who is equal to luck so there probably isn't anything i can say to change your mind and don't really care to anyways.

point being kap did give the niners a team friendly deal and wuss isn't willing to do the same for the seahawks

 

[ApharmdX]

Crazy to think of paying Wilson that much. He's not a top 10 QB in today's NFL. And he's replaceable.

 

[Gigglepoo]

Crazy to think of paying Wilson that much. He's not a top 10 QB in today's NFL. And he's replaceable.

Go on....

 

[mr2xxx]

uh, ok? don't you think the seahawks would gladly pay wussle top 6 money?



yes he is on russells level. they are both mid tier QB's in my opinion. i'd give wussle the nod overall but if i had to group a set of qbs elite, great, really good, good, etc. kap and wussle would be in the same grouping. pointless to really argue it because you think russell is a top 5 who is equal to luck so there probably isn't anything i can say to change your mind and don't really care to anyways.

point being kap did give the niners a team friendly deal and wuss isn't willing to do the same for the seahawks

Do you really think he would of signed the same contract if he came of another year similar to 13? Nah he wouldnt of.

Also the whole Luck vs Wilson arguement thing the only objective info you gave was from one game to demonstrate that seattle has a great D, not much to argue against.

 

[Team Alucard]

He's worth it. Wilson is an elite QB and far better than Luck who is the most overrated player in the league today.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Do you really think he would of signed the same contract if he came of another year similar to 13? Nah he wouldnt of.

Also the whole Luck vs Wilson arguement thing the only objective info you gave was from one game to demonstrate that seattle has a great D, not much to argue against.

that argument wasn't a luck vs. wilson direct argument but rather to illustrate the point that wilson does not need to carry his team. he is always going to be in the game because of his great defense. because of that, he only needs to make a handful of plays (which he often does!) to get his team a win. compare that to andrew luck who basically needs to play elite QB all game for his team to win.

russell wilson is well behind luck in a lot of categories. i guess you can throw out some stats to show they are similar if you want but just watch both play. it's not close when you evaluate everything they do, everything they're asked to do and everything around them

 

[Jonm1010]

He's worth it. Wilson is an elite QB and far better than Luck who is the most overrated player in the league today.

Define elite? Elite to me is Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Manning. The last two possibly only borderline for another year or so.

Next you have the good but not elite tier I could see Wilson being argued as a part of. Though I don't agree. The Roethlisberger's, Luck, Eli Manning.

but nowhere is the guy in the class of Brady and Rodgers.

And I said it last night but there isn't a team in the league that would take Wilson over Luck, not even Seattle.

 

[Smellycat]

Just perfect defense all across. The jam was beautiful. The read was superb. Just about as perfect as you can play defensively. Still can't believe Butler got that int.

An incredible moment for sure! One of the best in NFL history (or the worst depending on how you look at it

)

 

[joeygreco1985]

Back to back super bowls, pay that man. Even Joe Flacco got paid and he's shitty

 

[j_rocca42]

uh, ok? don't you think the seahawks would gladly pay wussle top 6 money?



yes he is on russells level. they are both mid tier QB's in my opinion. i'd give wussle the nod overall but if i had to group a set of qbs elite, great, really good, good, etc. kap and wussle would be in the same grouping. pointless to really argue it because you think russell is a top 5 who is equal to luck so there probably isn't anything i can say to change your mind and don't really care to anyways.

point being kap did give the niners a team friendly deal and wuss isn't willing to do the same for the seahawks

yes, i assume they're trying to pay Russell top 6 money. Also, I assume you're not familiar with his ongoing negotiations so I doubt you know that he is unwilling to sign a team friendly deal.
And by that, I mean we have no idea what the sticking points are.

 

[KingBroly]

Back to back super bowls, pay that man. Even Joe Flacco got paid and he's shitty

Playoff Flacco is more of a guarantee than Super Bowl Eli

 

[ApharmdX]

Go on....

You don't think Kaep would do as well as Wilson on that team, with that defense? Or shit even Alex Smith?

Russell Wilson is not an elite passer. He's not even a good passer. He's a mediocre passer who plays on a football team with a legendary defense that gives him great field position. Seattle is talking about making him the second highest-paid QB in the game, are they crazy? Let this dude walk. You think he's worth within $1m of what Rodgers makes, and more than Big Ben, Brady, Brees, and Matt Ryan? Do you really believe that?

 

[offtopic]

Crazy to think of paying Wilson that much. He's not a top 10 QB in today's NFL. And he's replaceable.

Sounds like a lot of east coasters who don't watch west coast teams play are weighing in (not saying you are one of them but just making a general point).

As someone who frequently watches the 'hawks as a 49ers fan, Wilson is absolutely a top 10 ten QB. Yes, I give them shit about him being a game manager (alex 2.0) but he makes plays to win games when called upon to do so. We can't be fooled by numbers when, like the 49ers, their system is designed around a dominant running game and a ridiculous defense (the 49ers problem last year was that their running game sucked and their defense was barely above average).

 

[ApharmdX]

Define elite? Elite to me is Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Manning. The last two possibly only borderline for another year or so.

Next you have the good but not elite tier I could see Wilson being argued as a part of. Though I don't agree. The Roethlisberger's, Luck, Eli Manning.

but nowhere is the guy in the class of Brady and Rodgers.

And I said it last night but there isn't a team in the league that would take Wilson over Luck, not even Seattle.

I agree with you, with the exception of Roethlisberger. He didn't put up elite numbers last year? He hasn't lead teams to two Super Bowl victories? He's an elite-tier QB, that's not even debatable.

 

[j_rocca42]

You don't think Kaep would do as well as Wilson on that team, with that defense? Or shit even Alex Smith?

Russell Wilson is not an elite passer. He's not even a good passer. He's a mediocre passer who plays on a football team with a legendary defense that gives him great field position. Seattle is talking about making him the second highest-paid QB in the game, are they crazy? Let this dude walk. You think he's worth within $1m of what Rodgers makes, and more than Big Ben, Brady, Brees, and Matt Ryan? Do you really believe that?

Alex smith? That weed is good huh bruh?

The other QBs you mention are elite for sure. But they signed their deals long ago. The cap keeps getting larger and larger so contracts keep getting bigger.

And Matt Ryan? What the hell has he ever done to deserve his pay? He's just lucky he got in when the rookie wage scale didn't exist .

 

[spyder_ur]

The hate on Russell is absolutely insane. The Seahawks will and should pay him basically whatever he wants.

Would the Seahawks rather retain their roster flexibility? Sure. Would they rather pay him $16M or so rather than $22? Of course. But the best thing to start your team off in football is an great franchise QB, and it's not close. Wilson is that and he's only 26.

You're hearing him compared to guys like Flacco and Kaepernick. First of all he's better and has accomplished more in 3 years. Second, the point is that those guys aren't available because NFL teams understand that if you have anything approaching a young top 10 QB in this league you have to keep them because it's easily the most important position in team sports.

 

[mr2xxx]

You don't think Kaep would do as well as Wilson on that team, with that defense? Or shit even Alex Smith?

Russell Wilson is not an elite passer. He's not even a good passer. He's a mediocre passer who plays on a football team with a legendary defense that gives him great field position. Seattle is talking about making him the second highest-paid QB in the game, are they crazy? Let this dude walk. You think he's worth within $1m of what Rodgers makes, and more than Big Ben, Brady, Brees, and Matt Ryan? Do you really believe that?

How the hell do you even sneak Matt Ryan in there LOL.

 

[tokkun]

Irony is that he might become less effective if they give him that deal. Maybe playcalling changes to better protect their investment. Will they get cold feet about designed QB run plays with so much guaranteed money in the contract?

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Sounds like a lot of east coasters who don't watch west coast teams play are weighing in (not saying you are one of them but just making a general point).

As someone who frequently watches the 'hawks as a 49ers fan, Wilson is absolutely a top 10 ten QB. Yes, I give them shit about him being a game manager (alex 2.0) but he makes plays to win games when called upon to do so. We can't be fooled by numbers when, like the 49ers, their system is designed around a dominant running game and a ridiculous defense (the 49ers problem last year was that their running game sucked and their defense was barely above average).

As an East Coaster (who has red zone), Wilson is a top 10 QB easy, but I think the argument is if he's actually worth the money, and if the success of the Hawks can be done if you stick in an average QB, or someone slightly worse than Wilson.

I mean, real talk, the NFC game and Superbowl weren't great games for Wilson. Wilson really only had one good quarter in the Superbowl, the third quarter, and was basically shut down all game by the Pats containment and got some free points at the end of the second from Patriots D choking in high risk 2 minute situations.

If a team shuts down Wilsons scramble with contain, I think Wilson will really start to look weak. Kinda like when pressure gets to Brady.

 

[NervousXtian]

They have to pay him, but signing him to that deal ensures that the Seahawks are worse 2 or 3 years from now.. hell they are worse already BECAUSE they have to sign Wilson to this deal and let guys go or didn't resign guys needing the money for this.

I mean in the end, you build around QB.. I just don't think Wilson is an elite QB.. he's good.. maybe great.. not elite.. and he's looking at elite money.. the Seahawks should try to get him for under $20.. every million is needed elsewhere.

 

[mr2xxx]

Irony is that he might become less effective if they give him that deal. Maybe playcalling changes to better protect their investment. Will they get cold feet about designed QB run plays with so much guaranteed money in the contract?

What would happen is similar to Tom Brady, they invest more in the offense and put greater pressure on him. Already happening with the Jimmy "he played basketball" Graham trade.

 

[LJ11]

Irony is that he might become less effective if they give him that deal. Maybe playcalling changes to better protect their investment. Will they get cold feet about designed QB run plays with so much guaranteed money in the contract?

The thing is designed QB runs are more often than not read runs, so it's the QBs choice. QB should only take the run option if he's unaccounted for. You're right that you don't want to expose the QB, but the Seahawks don't run QB power like the Panthers did early in Cam's career, it's always a read option and if Wilson makes the right read he's safe. Still you want your QB to play safe.

Where Wilson really makes his money is his improvisation, especially once the pocket breaks down, that's where his scrambling and mobility really shine.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

They have to pay him, but signing him to that deal ensures that the Seahawks are worse 2 or 3 years from now.. hell they are worse already BECAUSE they have to sign Wilson to this deal and let guys go or didn't resign guys needing the money for this.

I mean in the end, you build around QB.. I just don't think Wilson is an elite QB.. he's good.. maybe great.. not elite.. and he's looking at elite money.. the Seahawks should try to get him for under $20.. every million is needed elsewhere.

And why would Wilson, knowing that Seattle can't get anyone else near his level without taking a huge risk, take a million or two less than he has to?

Whether Seattle can sustain his contract is entirely up to them. They need to continue to hit on draft picks to fill in positions when higher priced guys leave.

 

[offtopic]

As an East Coaster (who has red zone), Wilson is a top 10 QB easy, but I think the argument is if he's actually worth the money, and if the success of the Hawks can be done if you stick in an average QB, or someone slightly worse than Wilson.

I mean, real talk, the NFC game and Superbowl weren't great games for Wilson. Wilson really only had one good quarter in the Superbowl, the third quarter, and was basically shut down all game by the Pats containment and got some free points at the end of the second from Patriots D choking in high risk 2 minute situations.

If a team shuts down Wilsons scramble with contain, I think Wilson will really start to look weak. Kinda like when pressure gets to Brady.

Sure...those weren't great games for him but that happens even to the best. Rodgers and Brady don't play great every single game. My thoughts are that even with a team designed around an awesome D and running game you still need a QB who can make plays when you need them to be made. Wilson can make plays many other QBs just can not (as can Kaep) and I don't mean just with his feet. Is he worth as much as Rodgers? No, but he isn't all that far behind.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

yes, i assume they're trying to pay Russell top 6 money. Also, I assume you're not familiar with his ongoing negotiations so I doubt you know that he is unwilling to sign a team friendly deal.
And by that, I mean we have no idea what the sticking points are.

no one but the seahawks and wussles/wussles agent know what he was offered. the point was if he was looking for top 6 money (as in... lets say the 5th highest contract) i doubt this is even a conversation and the deal is done.

somehow, whether its because of the guarantees or how the guarantees are provided or whatever, i doubt wuss is looking for "only" top 6 money

 

[hodayathink]

As an East Coaster (who has red zone), Wilson is a top 10 QB easy, but I think the argument is if he's actually worth the money, and if the success of the Hawks can be done if you stick in an average QB, or someone slightly worse than Wilson.

I mean, real talk, the NFC game and Superbowl weren't great games for Wilson. Wilson really only had one good quarter in the Superbowl, the third quarter, and was basically shut down all game by the Pats containment and got some free points at the end of the second from Patriots D choking in high risk 2 minute situations.

If a team shuts down Wilsons scramble with contain, I think Wilson will really start to look weak. Kinda like when pressure gets to Brady.

Then the question is who's out there next year that they think they can plug in and be just as successful as they are right now with Wilson. If the answer is "no one" (and I don't think anyone in this thread has actually presented someone, and I can't think of anyone off the top of my head), then you pay the man.

no one but the seahawks and wussles/wussles agent know what he was offered. the point was if he was looking for top 6 money (as in... lets say the 5th highest contract) i doubt this is even a conversation and the deal is done.

somehow, whether its because of the guarantees or how the guarantees are provided or whatever, i doubt wuss is looking for "only" top 6 money

The article linked on the second page said his guarantees are below what the Panthers gave to Cam Newton. I know you don't think he's a great QB, but he deserves to get paid more than Cam Netwon does, overall and in guarantees.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Then the question is who's out there next year that they think they can plug in and be just as successful as they are right now with Wilson. If the answer is "no one" (and I don't think anyone in this thread has actually presented someone, and I can't think of anyone off the top of my head), then you pay the man.

what makes you think they will be as successful with wussle @ QB minus some key defensive players they can't re-sign because he's taking up so much money? its not just a one person conversation

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

no one but the seahawks and wussles/wussles agent know what he was offered. the point was if he was looking for top 6 money (as in... lets say the 5th highest contract) i doubt this is even a conversation and the deal is done.

somehow, whether its because of the guarantees or how the guarantees are provided or whatever, i doubt wuss is looking for "only" top 6 money

Wilson want's #1 money, and from his agents and his PoV, going to back to back Superbowls, having similar stats to Brady for first three years, having 1 ring in three years...

He's going to get that money (if he doesn't completely blow next season). Even if you argue that "he's not worth it, other factors on the team carried him", other teams would kill for someone stable like Wilson to build around and he will either be the top paid QB or right behind Luck. I really think there is a good chance Wilson isn't with the Seahawks next season and he goes to the highest bidder.

Then the question is who's out there next year that they think they can plug in and be just as successful as they are right now with Wilson. If the answer is "no one" (and I don't think anyone in this thread has actually presented someone, and I can't think of anyone off the top of my head), then you pay the man.

I'll piggy back off FMT on this one.

 

[hodayathink]

what makes you think they will be as successful with wussle @ QB minus some key defensive players they can't re-sign because he's taking up so much money? its not just a one person conversation

So the defense stays exactly the same (basically the best scoring defense in the league). Tell me who's out there that they sign at QB (or who they draft at the end of the first round) that comes in and keeps the offense at the same level.

 

[mr2xxx]

Sure...those weren't great games for him but that happens even to the best. Rodgers and Brady don't play great every single game. My thoughts are that even with a team designed around an awesome D and running game you still need a QB who can make plays when you need them to be made. Wilson can make plays many other QBs just can not (as can Kaep) and I don't mean just with his feet. Is he worth as much as Rodgers? No, but he isn't all that far behind.

You can't think of it that way though, Rodgers got that contract years ago when the cap was less, now it has increased which allows players to earn more. It has nothing to do with him against Rodgers value but everything against guys getting contracts now. Tannehill gets 20 mill per year now, does Wilson deserve more is the question.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Then the question is who's out there next year that they think they can plug in and be just as successful as they are right now with Wilson. If the answer is "no one" (and I don't think anyone in this thread has actually presented someone, and I can't think of anyone off the top of my head), then you pay the man.



The article linked on the second page said his guarantees are below what the Panthers gave to Cam Newton. I know you don't think he's a great QB, but he deserves to get paid more than Cam Netwon does, overall and in guarantees.

but guarantees can mean a lot. is it the total guarantees, the injury-only guarantees? what type of performance escalator guarantees are built into it? no one knows, including that article. in these types of negotiations a bunch of bullshit or half truths get leaked by both sides

 

[offtopic]

The thing is designed QB runs are more often than not read runs, so it's the QBs choice. QB should only take the run option if he's unaccounted for. You're right that you don't want to expose the QB, but the Seahawks don't run QB power like the Panthers did early in Cam's career, it's always a read option and if Wilson makes the right read he's safe. Still you want your QB to play safe.

Where Wilson really makes his money is his improvisation, especially once the pocket breaks down, that's where his scrambling and mobility really shine.

Yeah planned runs for the QB need to be used sparingly and really only when you think you are fooling the other team and give your QB time to get down and not take shots. One thing that I appreciate about how Wilson and Kaep run (with Wilson being a slightly better scrambler and Kaep being slightly more dangerous downfield) is that both avoid getting hit really well. In fact, I'm pretty sure they don't get hit as hard or as frequently as many pure pocket passers despite their frequent running.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

So the defense stays exactly the same (basically the best scoring defense in the league). Tell me who's out there that they sign at QB (or who they draft at the end of the first round) that comes in and keeps the offense at the same level.

i'm not saying there is someone out there because i dont know who would be out there. my point is just as you say "well there is no guarantee another QB can step in and duplicate the same success!" i can say "there is no guarantee you take bobby wagner or whoever off the defense and duplicate the same success even with wuss at QB"

 

[offtopic]

You can't think of it that way though, Rodgers got that contract years ago when the cap was less, now it has increased which allows players to earn more. It has nothing to do with him against Rodgers value but everything against guys getting contracts now. Tannehill gets 20 mill per year now, does Wilson deserve more is the question.

I don't think of it that way and I do agree with you. What would Rodgers sign for TODAY? That is what I mean by "his worth". Wilson could make as much on a new deal and he'd be "worth it".

 

[mr2xxx]

i'm not saying there is someone out there because i dont know who would be out there. my point is just as you say "well there is no guarantee another QB can step in and duplicate the same success!" i can say "there is no guarantee you take bobby wagner or whoever off the defense and duplicate the same success even with wuss at QB"

But Seattle already took on Jimmy Grahams big salary and extended an aging Lynch, Sherman is a top paid CB, so fuck this everyone gets paid but you mentality.

 

[ViperVisor]

Alex smith? That weed is good huh bruh?

Alex Smith QB rating over his last 22 games 97.4

 

[hodayathink]

i'm not saying there is someone out there because i dont know who would be out there. my point is just as you say "well there is no guarantee another QB can step in and duplicate the same success!" i can say "there is no guarantee you take bobby wagner or whoever off the defense and duplicate the same success even with wuss at QB"

So then you have to ask the question of which is more likely: Finding someone to adequately replace Wagner at linebacker for less money than he would ask for (and/or whomever they lose on the defensive front, since the secondary is basically set for now), or finding someone to replace Wilson at QB. And I'd argue that it would be harder to find a replacement QB than replacement defensive players, since:

a.) We see good deals on defensive players every year, and we don't see good starting QB deals that often.

b.) Much easier to draft good defensive talent later in the draft than a good QB. You can get a very good linebacker, or a good D-Line prospect, at the end of the first round. Drafting QBs around that area is a much spottier proposition (arguably, the most successful one drafted in that area the last few years is Bridgewater, and the most successful one drafted later than that is Wilson).

 

[Ronin]

How the hell do you even sneak Matt Ryan in there LOL.

Matt Ryan would probably have a ring if he didn't have a bunch of bums. His numbers easily put him in the top 5. Problem is his protection has been terrible, the run game disappeared after 2011, and he's never had a defense to pull its weight. Don't care who you are, you ain't winning a championship without a little help from one of those areas.

Give him an average line, at least the threat of the run, and a middle of the road defense and he brings a championship to Atlanta.

 

[highrider]

$21 million baby!

I always thought that was a great play by the defender more than a bad pass, and obviously a bad play to run.

 

[offtopic]

I always thought that was a great play by the defender more than a bad pass, and obviously a bad play to run.

It was a poor decision and thrown too late. That doesn't mean he isn't a great, young QB.

 

[LJ11]

Alex Smith QB rating over his last 22 games 97.4

What's his passer rating when throwing to a WR, lol. It's been over 16 games since a chiefs receiver caught a TD.

 

[Kastrioti]

as long as erron is in that division (and stays healthy) no one else is winning it. and no, wussle isn't adding 3 wins to the vikings.

Remainder that the Detroit Lions and Green Bay Packers both finished above 11-5 last year and split their season series 1-1.

We can troll "Lolions" if you want but this Detroit team is stacked from Quarterback to secondary and is as good and talented as any team in the NFL.

Let's not act like the Carson Palmer Cardinals, the Colin Kaepernick 49ers or the Nick Foles Rams are anything to be scared of.

As of today the NFC North is the most competitive and talented division in the NFL, IMO.

One system is designed to pile up stats. If Indy had Beastmode and that defense Luck wouldn't have those stats either.

All systems are theoretically designed to pile up stats.

As the great Herm Edwards said You play to win the game!

Golden Tate put up career number and made it to his first Pro Bowl because for the first time in his career he played with a drop back, pocket Quarterback in Matthew Stafford. Russell will create plays with his feet at times, yes, but he's not a drop back pocket passer. Never was and never will be.

I think Russell is a good QB who's gone out and came up clutch for his team at times but at the end of the day he was lucky to be drafted with that defense and running game.

Ultimately he will get paid to play for some team and I don't think it'll be Seattle. That front office and Pete Carroll seem to have plenty of confidence in their scouting and drafting abilities that they feel Wilson is replaceable.

If he wasn't the Seahawks would've already signed him by now.

 

[mr2xxx]

Matt Ryan would probably have a ring if he didn't have a bunch of bums. His numbers easily put him in the top 5. Problem is his protection has been terrible, the run game disappeared after 2011, and he's never had a defense to pull its weight. Don't care who you are, you ain't winning a championship without a little help from one of those areas.

Give him an average line, at least the threat of the run, and a middle of the road defense and he brings a championship to Atlanta.

Falcons put all thier money in that offense though. They picked their poison and failed consistently. The salary cap would never allow for all these "what if" scenarios you are presenting. If they put money and draft picks into that defense, goodbye Tony, Julio etc.

 

[norm9]

What's his passer rating when throwing to a WR, lol. It's been over 16 games since a chiefs receiver caught a TD.

Goddamn Dwayne Bowe.

 

[offtopic]

Remainder that the Detroit Lions and Green Bay Packers both finished above 11-5 last year and split their season series 1-1.

We can troll "Lolions" if you want but this Detroit team is stacked from Quarterback to secondary and is as good and talented as any team in the NFL.

Let's not act like the Carson Palmer Cardinals, the Colin Kaepernick 49ers or the Nick Foles Rams are anything to be scared of.

As of today the NFC North is the most competitive and talented division in the NFL, IMO.



All systems are theoretically designed to pile up stats.

As the great Herm Edwards said You play to win the game!

Golden Tate put up career number and made it to his first Pro Bowl because for the first time in his career he played with a drop back, pocket Quarterback in Matthew Stafford. Russell will create plays with his feet at times, yes, but he's not a drop back pocket passer. Never was and never will be.

I think Russell is a good QB who's gone out and came up clutch for his team at times but at the end of the day he was lucky to be drafted with that defense and running game.

Ultimately he will get paid to play for some team and I don't think it'll be Seattle. That front office and Pete Carroll seem to have plenty of confidence in their scouting and drafting abilities that they feel Wilson is replaceable.

If he wasn't the Seahawks would've already signed him by now.

Eh...Tate put up career numbers because he went to a team that was designed around a passing game and had the best receiver in the NFL on the other side of the field holding the defenses' attention (and I realize megatron was hurt for some game last year).

Systems are designed to win games, not pile on offensive stats. Wilson is a very good drop-back passer but that isn't his primary role so it isn't as evident as it is with other qbs. I would be stunned if Seattle doesn't re-sign him...the fact that they haven't signed him yet means nothing.

 

[mr2xxx]

Eh...Tate put up career numbers because he went to a team that was designed around a passing game and had the best receiver in the NFL on the other side of the field holding the defenses' attention (and I realize megatron was hurt for some game last year).

Systems are designed to win games, not pile on offensive stats. Wilson is a very good drop-back passer but that isn't his primary role so it isn't as evident as it is with other qbs. I would be stunned if Seattle doesn't re-sign him...the fact that they haven't signed him yet means nothing.

You could ignore Kas, he is like a hurricane of Lions propaganda. Just hide in the basement and let it pass through.

 

[Princess Carl]

How the hell do you even sneak Matt Ryan in there LOL.

I'm a Falcons fan and I laughed.

 

[Kastrioti]

Eh...Tate put up career numbers because he went to a team that was designed around a passing game and had the best receiver in the NFL on the other side of the field holding the defenses' attention (and I realize megatron was hurt for some game last year).

Systems are designed to win games, not pile on offensive stats. Wilson is a very good drop-back passer but that isn't his primary role so it isn't as evident as it is with other qbs. I would be stunned if Seattle doesn't re-sign him...the fact that they haven't signed him yet means nothing.

Megatron was hurt most of last season as was most of our Tight End core which is crucial to the New Orleans Saints offense we're trying/will be running.

He put up careers numbers because he had a great, pocket QB who allowed him to run his routes properly as opposed to making route adjustments to a QB who is always scrambling causing WRs to make rout changes.

If Wilson is a very good drop back passer he would've already been resigned. He's not a good drop back passer but he's great when he's on the run or making plays with his feet.

I think the Seahawks stick with the offer they put on the table and if Wilson doesn't take it both sides will move on.

 

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Good passers tend to pass the ball quicker.
Wilson is a good Madden 2004 passer. He can somehow pull it off.
This isn't time in pocket like it says it is time spent behind the LOS before you throw or run past the LOS.

Aaron Rodgers is an exception because he is so greedy because he knows he can sniper throws as scramble.
Bridgewater is a rookie so his slower find and throw makes some sense.

Everyone else is a shit tier passing QB who doesn't see the field and react with a good pass on a consistent basis.