One system is designed to pile up stats. If Indy had Beastmode and that defense Luck wouldn't have those stats either.
Seahawks offer Russell Wilson $21M/year; wants more
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One system is designed to pile up stats. If Indy had Beastmode and that defense Luck wouldn't have those stats either.
$21 million baby!
Probably the greatest defensive play in Super Bowl history, if not the greatest outright. You can't get more clutch than that.
Gully State
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Seahawks should give him 30 mil a year at least..
Flacco is a Top 10 QB.
TheLostBigBoss
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If we're ranking QB's, Falcco is most def ahead of Wilson.
Captain.Falafel
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Good point well taken. I suppose this begs the question - which parts could be considered more replaceable?
FrenchMovieTheme
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there's no reason to believe he'll do anything but get better even though he was worse in 2014 than he was in 2013? alright
Have we started with top 10 lists?
I love Wilson, I think he's a good QB who has the potential to be great. His situation reminds me of Brady, back when everyone called Tom a game manager who relied on his D, run game, and short passing game to hide weaknesses.
Everyone talks about the D carrying Wilson, but lets look at the offensive weapons up in Seattle. Last year they ran hot garbage out there. OL was shaky outside of couple of players, a couple of players who always get injured at that, and one isn't even on the team at this point. WRs, what WRs? Wilson had Tate for a couple of seasons. Tate went from being a certified bust to inking a money deal with the Lions. I'm sure he would have gotten that pay day with TJack at QB.
He's a good player, I don't blame him for wanting the pay day. This is the NFL, per year average doesn't mean shit. Seattle isn't stupid enough to let him walk, they're just up against the cap.
I love Wilson, I think he's a good QB who has the potential to be great. His situation reminds me of Brady, back when everyone called Tom a game manager who relied on his D, run game, and short passing game to hide weaknesses.
Everyone talks about the D carrying Wilson, but lets look at the offensive weapons up in Seattle. Last year they ran hot garbage out there. OL was shaky outside of couple of players, a couple of players who always get injured at that, and one isn't even on the team at this point. WRs, what WRs? Wilson had Tate for a couple of seasons. Tate went from being a certified bust to inking a money deal with the Lions. I'm sure he would have gotten that pay day with TJack at QB.
He's a good player, I don't blame him for wanting the pay day. This is the NFL, per year average doesn't mean shit. Seattle isn't stupid enough to let him walk, they're just up against the cap.
I'd have to agree. Also i'm not sure the Texans would try and sign Russ if they had a chance FMT.
I live Wilson but he doesn't fit what BOB wants at QB. Tall and with a cannon arm.
He is easily worth two first round picks IMO. Look what the Racists gave up for IRG3.Wilson is a proven NFL commodity.
TheLostBigBoss
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RG3 was hyped and hot shit. Give him to another organization for his rookie year and he could easily be a top 10 QB, instead of literally being destroyed by his own team.
Ninja Scooter
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How good Wilson is compared to Luck e Rodgers is irrelavant. Seattle can't go and get Luck or Rodgers if they let Russ go. Instead they will have to replace him with someone like Matt Flynn or Ryan Fitzpatrick or some other scrub, which is why Russel has so much leverage.
Don't hate the beard. He did admirable last year.
Alligatorjandro
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He's good but I wouldn't trust him to make 1 yard passes at the goal line.
BlackGhost
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Dude wants to play for the Cleveland Browns.
He would be able to play off playaction and be a more efficient passer. If you meant he wouldn't have to be a chucker, then sure, but those just decrease the comp percentage and increases the opportunities of being picked off. A team being so one dimensional like that hurts them more than it helps.
re: Tate
I bet they would have paid him hadn't they already had big money going on Percy Harvin and what a dumb move that was.
I don't know how "good" Russell Wilson really is. Is he a top-flight QB? Is he in that next tier?
Joe Flacco shouldn't have been paid 20 million a year. Russell Wilson probably isn't worth 21+. But do the Seahawks really have a choice? No. They've got to pay him.
After 2015, the Seahawks can wave goodbye to Marshawn and start over drafting a young, cheap RB. And they wont have to pay receivers either, looking at the success they've had with the current corps. So there's some savings to be had there. Seattle can keep throwing money at the OL and Defense where necessary and possibly sustain their current level of success.
Joe Flacco shouldn't have been paid 20 million a year. Russell Wilson probably isn't worth 21+. But do the Seahawks really have a choice? No. They've got to pay him.
After 2015, the Seahawks can wave goodbye to Marshawn and start over drafting a young, cheap RB. And they wont have to pay receivers either, looking at the success they've had with the current corps. So there's some savings to be had there. Seattle can keep throwing money at the OL and Defense where necessary and possibly sustain their current level of success.
It isn't quite that simple as their offense runs a bit like the 49ers where plays become predictable as they go deep into the play clock and the formation limits where they can go. Luck's offense is a lot more innovative and he does well executing it.
TheLostBigBoss
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I hate to say this as it will kill our recently renewed friendship but: no one "wants" to play for the Cleveland Browns .
I don't like Flacco but I think he is better at QB then Russ.
BlackGhost
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BertramCooper
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FrenchMovieTheme
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BG i would actually love to play for the browns. i would literally play any position on the team for the NFL league minimum and i would love it. don't let others tear your franchise down!
God that whole thing was embarrassing.
"Yeah Pastor, me and my girl are waiting." Than her ex comes out and starts talking about how she was in bed.
Not a good look for anyone involved.
Speaks more to how desperate the Panthers were. We've never had a true franchise QB.
TheLostBigBoss
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I would stick with the current plan of going to the 49'ers open tryouts.
ViperVisor
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Mike Shanahan made him. He knows offense. Steve Young was best in 1994. Elway was a has been loser. Brian Griese had a year with 100 QB rating. Jake Plummer was playing good. Jay Cutler looked like a franchise QB.
Kirk Cousins filled in and people were 'OMG trade a 1st rounder for him?'
He was a gimmick offense QB.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000208086/article/top-10-qbs-25-or-under-robert-griffin-iii
2012 NFC East was trash with garbage defenses.
He is utter shit at seeing the field and reacting to the defense. You could see the gears grinding with him in the pocket. That 49ers game was beyond bad.
BertramCooper
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I hate the Browns.
BlackGhost
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:lol
*hugs
As a die hard seahawks fan, he and his stupid baseball agent can fuck off. Wilson is not the person he used to be.
He is putting himself before his entire team and is willing to nuke the entire teams salary cap space for himself. If he wants to do that, let him walk and go somewhere else.
One person is not worth the entire teams future.
He is putting himself before his entire team and is willing to nuke the entire teams salary cap space for himself. If he wants to do that, let him walk and go somewhere else.
One person is not worth the entire teams future.
Overrated QB that barely gets to the playoffs and throws long balls for DPIs, yeah. Wilson should go to Kubiak, that dude will win SBs with him. Instead he has been stuck with some Vikings reject like Bevell.
This guy gets it
TheLostBigBoss
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He works in the NFL, an organization that continues to destroy lives and reduce brains to the consistency of jello, and actively tries to hid that fact.
No player should "take a hit for the team", each and every player should try to get the most out of the billionaire owner they work for. Wilson may not be worth the money he's asking, but to berate a person for asking for money that he can most likely get on another team is silly in a sport where your career can end in a single play.
Being a Bears fan sucks these days. Let me tell you.
FrenchMovieTheme
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the problem is that there are other players (QB's included!) who have taken team friendly deals so obviously in the same sport, at the same position there is going to be a comparison there
Those QBs that took team friendly deals already had their huge paydays. Not exactly the same thing here.
Blame your organization, they just caved into extending Lynch who was under under contract. You can pay your aging RB but the young QB who's been getting paid under vet min., a guy who beat out a back up QB in a few months who made a guaranteed 10mill. Hopefully he does fuck off so the fans can enjoy the next Flynn, Whitehurst caliber QB.
TheLostBigBoss
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Brady is old and has a super duper rich hot wife.
Manning is old and one slight breeze away from tearing his hammy, so much so that there is even talk to bench him on games closer to the end of the season to preserve him.
Sure, some people take team friendly deals for other reasons, family, location, money is already good, but Wilson has another decade of prime time football and the market is starving for QB's who are above the level of "serviceable". Revis is one of the smartest people who ever played in the NFL, dude gets payed and makes sure his money is guaranteed, even in injury, which is why he bailed from the Pats.
The market has already dictated what young QB's get paid. People keep on saying that Wilson is just posturing, but why wouldn't he go to a team that actually values him? The Hawks struck gold that cost copper, you can't get out of what players truly cost.
I would be worried about giving him the 22 million or more guaranteed money just because of his relationship with Ciara.
Ciara is a mess and already popping out babies and she has the dude on a leash the way she does? Doesn't sound like a guy I would believe in for the long term.
Ciara is a mess and already popping out babies and she has the dude on a leash the way she does? Doesn't sound like a guy I would believe in for the long term.
ViperVisor
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There is no reason for him to get signed long term now.
He wants Luck to get his huge deal next year, raising the bar, and then he will point to that and want a little less than him.
He wants Luck to get his huge deal next year, raising the bar, and then he will point to that and want a little less than him.
FrenchMovieTheme
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kap? whatever you think about him (and he did have a down year last year but still not horrible) he was coming off another NFC championship game trip and was in line to get an absolutely huge payday. he took a team friendly deal so we could keep boldin and some other guys
Kaep is the sixth highest paid qb over the next three years. The only thing team friendly about his deal is that he can be cut before the beginning of each season.
He's not screwing over the team. Unless your going to say the Seahawks were screwing him over by not paying him market value when he had risen to an elite level the last couple of years, you don't really have an argument. The market value for an elite qb is at least $18 million a year so I fail to see how its screwing over anyone. If you want to blame anyone, blame the NFL, not Wilson, since they are the ones who don't want to have 15 year dynasties anymore.
Come on Kap isn't on Russells level, besides he will avg. 17-18 million per year. The only team friendly portion of that contract is that he is easily cuttable due to the little guaranteed money. Besides Russel came off a SB appearance and not a down year, he won the same way Flacco won. If Kap had another run like the previous year the story would be completely, Kap would be rocking diamond incrusted Dolphins hats to training camp.
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