clarky
Gold Member
Which dev's out there do you think are capable of making a AAA shooter from scratch in under 3 years? The FPS market is one of the toughest nuts to crack.
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SEC Filing: MS Will Honor Existing Activision Commitments (Sony, Google, Apple) Post-Close
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Kerotan
Member
Phil wants to be a nice guy, but he's a cut throat businessman just like everyone else.
This is him just a year and a half ago. Two months later he bought Bethesda and 7 other studios and promised he would continue to publish them on PS. A few months after that he made them all exclusive.
Phil Spencer Says Generation Exclusives Are "Completely Counter To What Gaming Is About"
In a recent interview, Xbox Executive Phil Spencer claimed console exclusives were counter to what gaming is meant to be about.www.thegamer.com
Warzone is already free.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Most casuals aren’t even invested in the ps5 yet since it’s impossible to find. No next gen only CoD and madden yet. Easy time for them to change boxes for sure just like ps4/xbox one era.
Warzone will be on both but without the main game can’t lvl up weapons and stuff as easy. Fans will want both.
Warzone will be on both but without the main game can’t lvl up weapons and stuff as easy. Fans will want both.
bitbydeath
Member
All of them.
It was only tough because the market was already full.
ChiefDada
Member
Nothing in life is free. As I've said elsewhere in this forum, a COD developed under a flat pricing model looks very different from one developed under a subscriber model. Let us see how things turn out.
clarky
Gold Member
avin
Member
I'd guess he knows what he's doing. It's a calculated phase 1. Like you, I haven't figured out phase 2 yet, but phase 3 is surely Profit.
avin
bitbydeath
Member
Not once COD goes.
lastmessiah
Member
I don't think COD is going to just disappear.
Aguero9320
Member
I don't necessarily disagree, but it's pretty bad practice to break a contract (less so if you didn't sign it yourself, but still...)
I think it would have to be pretty significant upside to even consider it, and we don't even know if there's anything here. I don't think 'exclusive marketing' contracts will be binding if the game doesn't ever come out on PS5, and we aren't aware of any exclusive deals Sony signed on any of these games, so it will probably be abundantly clear as soon as Microsoft are allowed to talk about it that there's no Deathloop situation here, and nothing related to COD that will keep it on PlayStation in 2023 (or even 2022 if they get the deal done in time).
I don't think you'll see another Call of Duty on PlayStation tbh.
bitbydeath
Member
The comments are about what the userbase will do when it stops being made for PlayStation.
clarky
Gold Member
Does it? Every game released on gamepass by MS so far says otherwise. Free to play, yes. Game pass? no evidence of that, yet.
Sigh, COD is not leaving the market. You dodged my question again. I think we are done here.
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Kerotan
Member
Deviation games already working on an FPS for sony and the ps5?
Some of the main OG cod guys are there. That surely has potential and sony might even give it bigger backing after COD got bought.
Infinity ward from 2007 were masters of their craft. Made a few master pieces before Activision fucked them over for money and the top guys left. A few of them created respawn, titan fall and apex. All those OG guys had serious talent.
Kagey K
Banned
I’d say ID or MachineGames probably could.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
I have a feeling people is overreact on the COD exclusivity thing.
Lets just say COD will be exclusive on Xbox from now on, will it REALLY move alot of people to Xbox?
Or they will just buy an xbox to play COD and still stick with Playstation?
Perhaps all these just based on "assumptions", we will know once COD is officialy exclusive on Xbox, which is many years away.
Lets just say COD will be exclusive on Xbox from now on, will it REALLY move alot of people to Xbox?
Or they will just buy an xbox to play COD and still stick with Playstation?
Perhaps all these just based on "assumptions", we will know once COD is officialy exclusive on Xbox, which is many years away.
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bitbydeath
Member
It will likely not have future instalments on PlayStation after 2023.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
I mean, so they won't pull Overwatch from PlayStation, but what about Overwatch 2? That doesn't exist anywhere today, so... Basically, I expect future games/sequels to be exclusive, just like with Bethesda.
Chiggs
Gold Member
Once the coast is clear, Microsoft will yank most of the IP. Everyone knows it will happen.
Only people trying to soothe their wounded plastic box warrior pride think differently. For those folks, your only real hope is MS’ strategy backfiring, leading to a rapid reintroduction onto competing platforms.
That, or the deal falling through completely, which is possible, but unlikely.
Only people trying to soothe their wounded plastic box warrior pride think differently. For those folks, your only real hope is MS’ strategy backfiring, leading to a rapid reintroduction onto competing platforms.
That, or the deal falling through completely, which is possible, but unlikely.
clarky
Gold Member
Thank you, seems like they could have a decent go. I bet sony chuck a load of $$ at them, hopefully its decent, sounds promising.
bender
What time is it?
Stuart360
Member
Some will swap, probably the casuals who only play COD, and some will just buy a Xbox to go with their PS5. In fact with the XSS Microsoft alrady have the perfect side console for PS5 owners.
I think Microsoft dont care either way, they want to sell as many consoles as possible as that means more potential Gamepass subs. I dont think they actually care about outselling Playstation anymoe, that ship has long since sailed.
clarky
Gold Member
I see your refering to "the market" as playstation, i misunderstood, im at work and doing 5 things at once. Yes there will be a gap left once cod goes, but it will be a tough gap to fill. Many will either jump ship or just buy an xbox as well.
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DevilHunterX0
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So begins Sega 2.0
bender
What time is it?
SteelCurtain 59
Member
Yes, but it will be available on Xbox and PC, therefore COD is not disappearing. I think you overvalue the average person's attachment to Playstation or Xbox, if they want to play COD, they'll purchase the console (or PC) where that's possible. They're not going to stay on Playstation just because they played on PS4 last gen, especially since Game Pass is going to give them access to all the past COD games, so they're not even losing access to those. COD is far and away the biggest system seller that exists, outside of maybe GTA or Mario/Zelda/Pokemon. If you don't think this is going to lead to a large shift of people to Xbox I don't know what to tell you. The "casual" gamer will probably shift back to Xbox this gen, which is a lot of people
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
If the deal does close next year (it could close any time between July this year and next year Calendar, not fiscal) I can see a 2024 COD also being on all platforms as they would probably need to have deals in advance.
But, who knows, this deal could close a lot faster and anything beyond 2022 may be Xbox/PC only.
iamvin22
Industry Verified
For now there's no exclusivity. Sony still has several more years on the marketing rights for cod too.
Fess
Member
Sony could create a COD alternative but could they push out games fast enough? Highly doubtful. COD development is a machinery, the reality is that the majority of the COD userbase would no doubt move elsewhere if it would truly disappear from Playstation.
bitbydeath
Member
I think you’re overvaluing COD. It’s played because that’s what people’s friends play. When that shifts then so will the market.
Tell that to Elder Scroll 6
The exisisting they won’t but future games will be exclusive if Sony players want to play future Call of duty games they will have to play them on Xbox consoles or stick to playing warzone. If Xbox has another big acquisition I could see them strong arming game pass onto Sony consoles. Microsoft is doing a Western takeover of third party publishers.
They are making some great strategic moves to persuade the casuals to game pass. The future looks bright with the content. This is coming from a Sony fanboy.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol Overvaluing cod? It is literally played by 55% of ALL console gamers. It is THE most valuable console franchise.
"The deal that will change the industry forever": Analysts on Microsoft's Activision acquisition
The number of mergers and acquisitions taking place across the games industry has dramatically risen in recent years, b…
www.gamesindustry.biz
coffinbirth
Member
This is the exact opposite of reality though.
The MTX will go through the roof selling blueprints to those guns now, haha.
JackMcGunns
Member
Keyword being “existing” same as with Bethesda.
bitbydeath
Member
And many devs will be gunning to fill that void.lol Overvaluing cod? It is literally played by 55% of ALL console gamers. It is THE most valuable console franchise.
"The deal that will change the industry forever": Analysts on Microsoft's Activision acquisition
The number of mergers and acquisitions taking place across the games industry has dramatically risen in recent years, b…
Cyberpunkd
Member
All the games currently on PlayStation - they stay. All the new ones - Xbox/PC.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Of course, it's not like MS pulled all Bethesda games from PS4/5 after the acquisition either.
Existing IP will continue getting support. Warzone's probably gonna be up and running for a good few more years everywhere.
Cyberpunkd
Member
You misunderstood me - all the current games in the IP stay. All the new versions will be Xbox/PC only. So if you have a PS you can play a 2-year old Warzone, or the most recent version on Xbox.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Oh I don't think they're gonna make a Warzone 2 any time soon, I think it's gonna get a lot of support and continue to be updated (the same client).
For example, PS5 got the latest Skyrim anniversary update even though MS/Bethesda didn't need to. If a game is available on both platforms already, it'll get updated on both. They're not gonna risk potential class action lawsuits by ignoring one SKU of a game already in wide circulation.
I don't think there's been any historical examples of something like that either, or at least I can't think of any.
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HundredThousandTrillion
Member
MS didn’t just show up to a store with a credit card and whip it out to purchase Activision.
It’s likely that conversations have been going on for over a year. Once you get out of conversations and into due diligence MS stuffed expensive Silicon Valley m&a lawyers and in house council into every square inch of Activision. Codebase review, policies, technology, security, people, pending litigation, existing agreements and responsibilities, etc etc etc. They probably even took an inventory of who has access to buildings and who holds keys.
This stuff drags on for months and MS only proceeds when they are 110% confident.
There’s no room for cheekiness.
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HundredThousandTrillion
Member
This is the exact reason why they would pull it off of PlayStation.
MS would give up all the micro transaction money if they could force even 10% of PS owners to buy XBOXs.
It’s not exactly difficult to find similar examples elsewhere in gaming.
How much $$$$ could MS make if Halo went multi platform?
Nintendo would make billions if they put Mario on other platforms.
Yet these companies choose to make those two gigantic IPs exclusive.
COD is a franchise up there with those two.
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Barakov
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Kerotan
Member
But we've spent years being told its not about selling xboxs? Then again Phil told us exclusives are bad.
too many money on the table®
/s
Ppl get that they basically spent 70b (half the entire Sony value and certainly more than the entire playstation division value) for 5 games?
playstation have no money on the table that if Microsoft want would not be able to give up
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Leyasu
Banned
Yeah PlayStation will get COD this year and next. 2024 it will be gone though
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MOTM
Banned
Stop with the wishful thinking.
Have you already forgotten what happened to "they can’t leave all that money on the table" after the Bethesda purchase?
Yeah, as soon as it was signed Phil said from now on you get an Xbox or Gamepass or you watch a gameplay walkthrough on YouTube on your PS5.
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