Skyward Sword review thread [Newest Reviews - Cubed3 10/10, GC: A, AusGamers: 7/10]
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I hate the fact that some gaming journalists think that they are some kind of politicians.
You provide reviews to help people buy games not to steer the gaming industry in a certain direction through reviews. If you really want to steer the gaming industry please join a gaming company and become a CEO or something.
You provide reviews to help people buy games not to steer the gaming industry in a certain direction through reviews. If you really want to steer the gaming industry please join a gaming company and become a CEO or something.
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
BGBW said:
nah looool
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qizah
Unconfirmed Member
If you already know enough about a game to be able to recognize factual inaccuracies with a review, before you've played the game, then reviews shouldn't have much bearing on your decision of whether or not to get the game - nor should a 7.5 review 'bother' you.
It's a different story if you're listing off the inaccuracies of a review to be like "so no one is fooled by this review, these things are incorrect".
But to get worked up over this? I don't understand.
It's a different story if you're listing off the inaccuracies of a review to be like "so no one is fooled by this review, these things are incorrect".
But to get worked up over this? I don't understand.
walking fiend
Member
haha, I had to go somewhere and had to stop posting.
I was so caught up with it.
The game can't come soon enough
I was so caught up with it.
The game can't come soon enough
quickly using your example, which sounds more plausible? the gamespot review that said revisiting areas is repetitive or the edge review that says nintendo found infinite game possibilities?Nicktendo86 said:Having read the GS review I can't help but be confused. Specific elements of the game they say are detrimental other sites and publications say are huge plus points for the game. One example is the fact that you visit the same areas multiple times, GS states this is repetitive while Edge praised the way the areas alter, going as far as saying Nintendo mph have found the way to endless gameplay possibilities or something to that effect. Really confused about the control issues as well, there is no aiming at the screen so how ccan there be IR issues? Nintendo specifically highlighted how good the games feel because you don't have to aim at the screen for item selection. I really am not trying to have a go at GS CAN'T here but I can't work out how this review could be so against what others have said... We won't know of course until we play the final game ourselves and I hope mine will arrive tomorrow
ill never understand the love for edge and their wankery.
TheCongressman1
Member
Represent. said:
I really like the style, I just think it's just not as solid as it could be. I love the painting effect, and I love some of the textures. But on the other hand, some of the character models are kind of bad or out of place, and the environment geometry is awful. Overall, I'd say it looks great, but there are some big problems that hold it back. I think they could have done better.
That being said, I really hope they keep the painting effect, or something similar, in Zelda HD.
F#A#Oo said:
No it doesn't say that. It becomes more and more clear that you are seeing what you want to see. Focusing on the last 2 sentences alone rather than all the article is disingenuous in the first place but in the last part of the article he says
That comes after he has two paragraphs talking about his disappointment over Nintendo not showing off (or announcing) the games they needed to show in their press conference and how they showed the controller instead. In addition to his complaint over 3DS. He feels that providing a console without inovvation in controll schemes or something like 3D will be more beneficial for some reasons. A focus on games will be for the best.
That doesn't mean that he said they don't strive to make good games anymore. Fearing that they have the wrong priorities while they used to have the priority in games, specifically he says making the best games is not the same as saying they don't strive to make good games anymore. Look at his praises for the Wii. You could characterize him as fearful for the future, you can disagree with that fear or views, but to call him a Nintendo hater is really over the top based on that article.
Now I personally don't share that fear that he did in regards to Wii-U, while I don't think Nintendo handled their conference well, still I am also speculating we don't know what the future will bring, but that doesn't make him a hater. To be fair Nintendo did a really bad job with their presentation. The worst you can tell about his article in regard to Nintendo disaproval is maybe his choice of "they used to focus on having the best games but now I don't know if things will be the same" part. So I guess one can disagree with that article but a hater it doesn't make him. Especially for the Wii and its motion controlls which he seemed to consider a successful innovation by Nintendo. A success he doesn't think can be replicated or that trying to be different in that way is sustainable, but that again doesn't make him a hater.
MisterHero
Super Member
Metroid always had revisiting areas and they are one of the best reviewed series. Revisiting areas and post-game exploration were an often-requested feature for SS on GAF, but maybe the mistake is that neither really accounts for the demands of the majority gaming populace.raziel said:
The fact is that people can explore areas in the game multiple times. I don't see how that it hurts the game, it seems to actually help a lot of games.
Now if Nintendo took like a standard SMG level and presented it as an open-ended playground that might be an issue.
Reuenthal said:
I think we ALL have a certain level of skepticism towards the decisions Nintendo has made over this gen because were gamers and we are just more critical on this subject matter, but that's the thing about Nintendo: they do their own thing and we have to accept that lol. This generation has been about the experience of playing a game with the controller for them whether we like it or not, and SS seems to be a great accomplishment in that regard by many. It's not perfect but it's a accomplishment.
Well you can say that it's your favourite artstyle, and that Nintendo managed to do pretty well considering the tech at their disposal. But saying it's the best looking game this gen is just objectively wrong.Anth0ny said:
Better looking games?
Skyrim, Gears of War 3, Assaassins Creed Brotherhood, Tales of Vesperia, Street Fighter 4, Halo Reach, Batman Arkham City, Dark Souls, Uncharted 2, Uncharted 3, God of War 3, Portal 2.
Those are the games on my shelf at the moment.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Majora's Mask and Wind Waker did some pretty damn new things.Killer said:
GamerSoul said:
I am not talking about SS but whether this guy is a Nintendo hater.
This guy expresses skepticism about the future in that article specifically Wii-U and 3DS. If he expressed skepticism about the Wii and DS, that still doesn't mean that he would be a hater necessarily. But he hadn't even done that. In fact there seemed to be more praise for DS and Wii than negativity if there was any. So I think it is unfair for people to treat him in that way.
TheCongressman1
Member
hyduK said:
Again, art>tech. We aren't defining 'Best looking' as the highest resolution here.
Crunched said:I'd say paying attention to PC actually helps Galaxy's visuals a great deal.
Courtesy of jediyoshi:
You know that's not what he meant at all.
I honestly don't see what's so amazing about that picture anyway.
TheCongressman1 said:
You can't ignore the tech aspect just because it doesn't fit in with the rest. Graphics should include art direction along with other aspects. Otherwise you're just ignoring a big part of what they are.
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - Famitsu review details, Miyamoto talks development Spoiler -Free
- The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword (10/10/10/10, 40 points): "The game world, offering a variety of tricks and content without being too large, is enough to make you lose your sense of time. The battles, featuring enemies that require you to think of a different approach for each one, are also fun. From the puzzles to the fighting, you can feel your knowledge expanding as you go through the adventure, and you can use it in innovative ways whenever you approach something new, which feels fantastic. I had thought that, in terms of story and content, this game would serve as the new core of the Zelda series. As I played it, though, I felt it was more a new core for video games, period. It's an amazing climax, like a crystal formed by people spending a dizzying amount of time and effort to mix all these various great things together. Just try it!"
Outside of its glowing review, Famitsu also had an interview with Shigeru Miyamoto concerning Skyward Sword.
"It's occasionally the case during game development that the project doesn't proceed along as planned or doesn't turn out as fun as expected when you make it. This Zelda had some of those problems. We ran into this issue of people wondering who really wants to make a Zelda sequel -- whether a sequel was necessary from the company standpoint, or whether it's just me saying 'Let's do it.' A game really gets its start when you have someone who says 'I want to do something like this,' but sometimes it's born simply because it's a series title or there's more story to cover.
For us, games provide a structure for play, and if you're making a sequel, you have to have that desire to improve, strengthen, and expand things right at the core of the project. To put it in an extreme way, the ideal for me is to build the play structure up to a certain point, then decide whether to make it Zelda or Mario. It's like building up the engine and chassis, then deciding later what sort of car you want to use it on.
We went through several fragmentary tests, something which I think was the most important point of this project. The structures we made with this experimentation -- the
is probably the best example of this -- we then looked at and said 'Maybe we can use this.' The project was, in a way, driven on how we could take Siren and tie it up with the game's story in a single package. It's a more fundamental ground-up process than we went through with The Wind Waker and later Zeldas.
I had wanted to keep it within three years, really. When you have a development period of five years, it's often the case that around two of those years wind up being completely wasted effort. With this game, though, I think all the work that everyone put into this project gets fully seen in the final product. I did say it was five years, but the first two of those were spent with assorted experimentation, so essentially it was three years. We went through kind of a long experimentation period, I suppose.
You may think the Wii remote is just used as a pointer in this game, but it's not. Wii MotionPlus allows us to detect how the remote is being tilted, so you don't have to point it right at the screen to get it detected any longer. In other words, all you have to do to move the cursor is change the angle of your wrist. It's kind of like a 3D mouse that way. You can also press down on the control pad if the cursor's offscreen to reset its position to the center of the screen.
In previous Zeldas we had players assign items to specific buttons in order to make it as instinctive as possible. Just having multiple buttons, though, opens up the possibility of making mistakes. With this game, you use the B button to switch between items and A to use all of them, which cuts down on mistakes. We're able to do this because you don't use A to swing your sword any longer; that comes from flicking the remote. That's really important, and it makes it feel like that much more of an action game.
With previous Zeldas, we took what we thought was good from the past and used that as a base to build on. Sooner or later, though, we need to add some new play structure to the thing, or else people will say 'Well, Zelda's just the same old puzzles going across the same
.' I don't feel a need to stick with that system, because I think Zelda's core lies in playing around in the same world over a period time, gradually learning more about it and building experience as you discover new secrets. The NES Zelda had a small map so that worked, but as hardware progressed, the scale got large enough that often you'd see places that you only visited once in the game. I wasn't entirely sure that made for a real Zelda-like experience.
That thought drove us to structure this game so you play in the same places many times through the game and the story is built on top of that. Outside of Link's home turf, there are essentially only three major sections -- but there are lots of events in each of these sections, as well as dungeons to explore. It's not a set system of
dungeons, but instead
that gradually open themselves more as you dive deeper in. Maybe it sounds complex, but as you play, it'll basically feel like you have the sky, and then
to play in.
I think this Zelda offers a new adventure, a new type of gameplay. I think we were able to bring multiple things that are important to Zelda into a single package. We've evolved Zelda without having to turn it into an epic thing."
http://www.1up.com/news/japan-review-check-zelda-metal
http://www.1up.com/news/miyamoto-twists-turns-skyward-sword
- The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword (10/10/10/10, 40 points): "The game world, offering a variety of tricks and content without being too large, is enough to make you lose your sense of time. The battles, featuring enemies that require you to think of a different approach for each one, are also fun. From the puzzles to the fighting, you can feel your knowledge expanding as you go through the adventure, and you can use it in innovative ways whenever you approach something new, which feels fantastic. I had thought that, in terms of story and content, this game would serve as the new core of the Zelda series. As I played it, though, I felt it was more a new core for video games, period. It's an amazing climax, like a crystal formed by people spending a dizzying amount of time and effort to mix all these various great things together. Just try it!"
Outside of its glowing review, Famitsu also had an interview with Shigeru Miyamoto concerning Skyward Sword.
"It's occasionally the case during game development that the project doesn't proceed along as planned or doesn't turn out as fun as expected when you make it. This Zelda had some of those problems. We ran into this issue of people wondering who really wants to make a Zelda sequel -- whether a sequel was necessary from the company standpoint, or whether it's just me saying 'Let's do it.' A game really gets its start when you have someone who says 'I want to do something like this,' but sometimes it's born simply because it's a series title or there's more story to cover.
For us, games provide a structure for play, and if you're making a sequel, you have to have that desire to improve, strengthen, and expand things right at the core of the project. To put it in an extreme way, the ideal for me is to build the play structure up to a certain point, then decide whether to make it Zelda or Mario. It's like building up the engine and chassis, then deciding later what sort of car you want to use it on.
We went through several fragmentary tests, something which I think was the most important point of this project. The structures we made with this experimentation -- the
Siren world
I had wanted to keep it within three years, really. When you have a development period of five years, it's often the case that around two of those years wind up being completely wasted effort. With this game, though, I think all the work that everyone put into this project gets fully seen in the final product. I did say it was five years, but the first two of those were spent with assorted experimentation, so essentially it was three years. We went through kind of a long experimentation period, I suppose.
You may think the Wii remote is just used as a pointer in this game, but it's not. Wii MotionPlus allows us to detect how the remote is being tilted, so you don't have to point it right at the screen to get it detected any longer. In other words, all you have to do to move the cursor is change the angle of your wrist. It's kind of like a 3D mouse that way. You can also press down on the control pad if the cursor's offscreen to reset its position to the center of the screen.
In previous Zeldas we had players assign items to specific buttons in order to make it as instinctive as possible. Just having multiple buttons, though, opens up the possibility of making mistakes. With this game, you use the B button to switch between items and A to use all of them, which cuts down on mistakes. We're able to do this because you don't use A to swing your sword any longer; that comes from flicking the remote. That's really important, and it makes it feel like that much more of an action game.
With previous Zeldas, we took what we thought was good from the past and used that as a base to build on. Sooner or later, though, we need to add some new play structure to the thing, or else people will say 'Well, Zelda's just the same old puzzles going across the same
eight dungeons
That thought drove us to structure this game so you play in the same places many times through the game and the story is built on top of that. Outside of Link's home turf, there are essentially only three major sections -- but there are lots of events in each of these sections, as well as dungeons to explore. It's not a set system of
eight
three sections
three different areas
I think this Zelda offers a new adventure, a new type of gameplay. I think we were able to bring multiple things that are important to Zelda into a single package. We've evolved Zelda without having to turn it into an epic thing."
http://www.1up.com/news/japan-review-check-zelda-metal
http://www.1up.com/news/miyamoto-twists-turns-skyward-sword
VivaciousSoul
Member
I saw the title of this thread and I thought oh, it's one of those jokes, from like a joker or something. Then it hit me. This is Neogaf. Those kind of jokes don't exist on Neogaf like they do on other forums and if they do, they'll be edited or deleted almost instantly.
Reuenthal said:
The last 2 sentences are his summary/closing comments...and they are not positive and show some deep seeded dislike of the direction Nintendo is headed.
Even the title is something straight out of the period after where the DS was selling like hot cakes...where people were all like "DS is gimmicky" blah blah blah...
He's essentially 6 years behind in his opinion...it's the same retread criticism of Nintendo...
Nintendo's E3 was lame ofcourse but I could never muster such things as saying Nintendo is different but not good and that they longer care to make good games...that's just utter ignorance...
EmCeeGramr
Member
Man now you've made me nostalgic for 2005-7 era GAF.VivaciousSoul said:
Also, now we're on Dolphin screenshots and "art vs graphics" debates. Wrangle up a possum and get a stew goin', because we've got ourselves a hoe-down here.
Dragon said:
I own PS3 and 360, and no other art style looks as good as the Galaxy games. No, I don't care about Crysis or Battlefield or Uncharted. Of course they're technically superior, but that's not important to me.
On topic: Skyward Sword looks freaking gorgeous. HD re-release for Wii U Nintendo plz.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Miyamoto said:
That's... interesting considering some of the responses to SS.
Refreshment.01
Member
So now you are opening your eyes?...goodCygnus X-1 said:
But seriously did you see that some sites and reviews had a point when critisizing some of the visual aspects of Skyward Sword. Honest opinions and not some sort of pushers of the so called "HD" agenda.
IdreamofHIME
Member
My copy already shipped. Damn you GS, why couldn't you have warned me of this bomba earlier?!!?!!?!
;_;
;_;
Electivirus
Member
Anth0ny said:
Very much agreed. The Galaxies and Epic Yarn look better to me than almost any other game on the HD consoles I've played this gen.
TheCongressman1
Member
EmCeeGramr said:
Oh, you're right. What topic do you approve of discussing, then?
EmCeeGramr
Member
If you thought Majora's Mask's biggest (only?) thing was "wearing masks" then I'm afraid you either don't remember the game at all or we can't see eye to eye. As to Wind Waker, it added a bunch of mechanics, big and small, ranging from the entire overworld structure being different, to control changes, to some great new items and reworked versions of old ones, and a bunch of other stuff.Killer said:
The Mana Legend
Banned
I have played Skyward Sword and it handles wonderfully, so I know that complaint will not bother me.
And I love the Zelda formula, so the archaic nature of it all will not bother me either.
Basically, both are valid arguments against the game, but having had experience with both, I know this will not at all bother me. I'm sure there will be a few frustrating moments with the motion controls, but there were a bunch of frustrating moments in SMG2 with motion controls, and that didn't stop me from loving the shit out of it.
And I love the Zelda formula, so the archaic nature of it all will not bother me either.
Basically, both are valid arguments against the game, but having had experience with both, I know this will not at all bother me. I'm sure there will be a few frustrating moments with the motion controls, but there were a bunch of frustrating moments in SMG2 with motion controls, and that didn't stop me from loving the shit out of it.
iamaustrian
Member
Gamespot's review is laughable and horrible at the same time.
It's only purpose is to create clicks which gamespot seems to lack lately.
way to go....smh
die in a fire, review. burn in hell
It's only purpose is to create clicks which gamespot seems to lack lately.
way to go....smh
die in a fire, review. burn in hell
TheCongressman1
Member
Crunched said:
Well sky exploration is definitely inspired from WW. Can't tell if that's a good thing yet.
