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Sons of Anarchy - Season 4 - Tuesdays on FX

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LukeSmith

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Absolute garbage. The last three or four episodes of this show were an incredible letdown. Predictable, flaccid and a sterling example of writers/showrunners taking the easy way out.
 
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ivysaur12

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A little more than halfway through right now and there's absolutely no tension left. Jax won't kill Clay. Jax tells Opie not to kill Clay. Okay.

What. The. Fuck.

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EDIT: What a snooze fest. What a fucking snooze fest. Holy shit, Sutter. Are you actually fucking serious right now?
 
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie

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I agree with Sutter's explanation that Clay staying alive can make for great TV, and he has the resume to back it up.

But it's a cheap tactic on his viewers to build everyone up to an expectation that Clay is the season's main storyline that needs to be resolved. We expect the payoff because in the final stretch many characters say he will die. It's a bait and switch with no alternate payoff to make up for it.

It's like he's writing the show for critics. Jax wouldn't say "I've got to keep Clay alive, we'll have great showdowns in future seasons," because that makes no sense in the show's world. Why is Sutter telling us that like that's supposed to be what makes us come back next year? Something happening within the context of the show is what makes viewers come back, not some explanation on how the future is being planned out by writers we can't trust because they drop every big storyline when it gets too deep.
 
Woo-Fu

Woo-Fu

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CIA? WTF is this shit? Only interesting part of the entire episode was that Ope wasn't at the table at the end.
 
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Net_Wrecker

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Damn, they mashed that reset button for the finale. Season 5 pretty much starts Sons of Anarchy: Act II. UGH @ the way they cut the legs out from under the RICO plotline though. They should've done that earlier instead of wasting 13 eps on what might amount to nothing.
 
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DominoKid

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I'm fine w/ how the show explained not killing Clay.

It's boring (the whole episode was boring). But I can work with it.
 
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gdt

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Hmm, it's a major disservice to build storylines for an entire year and wipe them away in a scene. Reset button pushed, hard.

BUT, we are in a great place for next season. That scene at the end had an appropriate amount of weight, you could tell Sutter has been waiting since S1 to do that.



BTW, what was that with Tig at the end?
 
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Yager

Banned
Really enjoyed the episode. I don't know why are you saying that this last ep was a "reset button". Clay stepped down, Jacks is now the president of the club, they've still got to deal with the cartel-irish thing and we also have the pussy-fight between Tara and Gemma.

The most exciting season thus far that opens a new path for the ones to come.

Before I forget: please Ope, don't leave!
 
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sooperkool

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gdt5016 said:
Hmm, it's a major disservice to build storylines for an entire year and wipe them away in a scene. Reset button pushed, hard.

BUT, we are in a great place for next season. That scene at the end had an appropriate amount of weight, you could tell Sutter has been waiting since S1 to do that.



BTW, what was that with Tig at the end?
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Yeah, I didn't like the fact that it took place 5 minutes into the episode. Would have been better to do it at the end of the prior episode.

Tig: He wasn't chosen to be "Man at Arms" by Jax. Thats who sits to the right of the President. The VP sits to the left. He chose Chibs to be his "Man at Arms.
 
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VivaZapata

Banned
My two cents ..weak finale.Whith all the build up and the balloon deflating at the beginning of the episode .I expected so much more.The Season opener was 10 times more entertaining.
 
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dave is ok

aztek is ok
Last year he baited and switched Jax ratting out the club to Stahl only reveal he tricked us in the finale.

This year he baited and switched every single plotline.

Fool me twice, shame on me.
 
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dead souls

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Decent episode, but not great. Ever since the botched Tara hit it was obvious that something was up with the cartel so the CIA reveal wasn't that shocking.

I never thought they'd actually kill Clay, so that doesn't really bother me either.
 
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Jubs

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lol. An entire season wrapped around RICO, and then wiped clean in one minute. "We're CIA!" So stupid.
 
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Arment

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gdt5016 said:
Ah okay. Man at Arms is like a bodyguard? That's what Tig's been, I guess.
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Sgt. at Arms is what the patch says I think. Basically the President has a right hand who is like his enforcer and his VP who is like his decision maker helper and additional enforcer.

Tig was Clay's right hand. Jacks doesn't want a Clay sympathizer anywhere near the head of the table.

Looks like Clay will be getting Piney's old spot. To symbolize he's on his way out I think.
 
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BeeDog

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While the last episode was ultimately very disappointing, I still have to say the scene between Clay and Jax was very nice. Jax sure likes to spit on people.
 
Nizz

Nizz

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Jake. said:
man, that cgi of JT at the end was fucking awful. i laughed.
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Yeah, that looked pretty bizarre. Any reason why they would go with CGI? Was the actor not available?

Cornballer said:
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I laughed my ass off when Potter walked into the courthouse. One odd dude indeed. I wasn't too big a fan of the bait and switch at the beginning of the show though. Felt a little too convenient. Right then and there I knew Clay would survive.

Looks like there's going to be big repercussions for Tig killing that girl last week. Most dangerous gangster in Oaktown's daughter will be the big "villain"? Uh oh.

I can understand Opie not showing up at the table. With Jax's track record with broken promises I don't blame Ope. I did like the foreshadowing with Tara standing behind Jax at the table and Gemma seeing herself and John at the head of the table. It just came off a bit weird with the use of CGI.
 
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daw840

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Arment said:
Sgt. at Arms is what the patch says I think. Basically the President has a right hand who is like his enforcer and his VP who is like his decision maker helper and additional enforcer.

Tig was Clay's right hand. Jacks doesn't want a Clay sympathizer anywhere near the head of the table.

Looks like Clay will be getting Piney's old spot. To symbolize he's on his way out I think.
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I don't think it's that, I think Jax knows Tig is too hotheaded as evidenced by him going on a rampage against the Niners. Chib seems much more level headed.
 
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wenis

Registered for GAF on September 11, 2001.
Cornballer said:
- Sutter's blog response to the reviews from last night: CRITICS LAMENT...WHAT IS SONS OF ANARCHY?

Errrrr, ok.
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Everything he said there made too much sense. It's the reason why I love SoA, same reason why I love stuff like 24. It's self aware enough to know that sometimes, crazy shit needs to happen and when it does it doesn't need to be written or analyzed like The Wire. You just accept it and go along with the ride because it's just fucking fun.

It's not even just critics, but viewers expecting everything to be this high drama that challenges the viewer in every nook and cranny. No, sometimes you need dumb fun with good drama (which this show is full of) because having a hundred shows about the cold hard truth of reality is just not fun.

tokkun said:
Sounds like he wants people to think of Sons as being a show like Supernatural.
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well it is in it's own way. While Supernatural does use a lot more humor, they both liberally use it within dramatic moments to ease tension, but know how to really hit those hard dramatic moments when the time is right.
 
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dave is ok

aztek is ok
But then I'll go and cut the balls off a clown or turn a plot point absurdly upside down and I will most certainly blow something the fuck up. It's those things that drive critics crazy. Why can't I just stay the course. Be what they want me to be -- measured and predictable.
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Measured and predictable is hitting the reset button every season and hinting at high stakes but never actually putting any main character in any danger.

Fuck him
 
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Cornballer

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I don't mind all of the crazy stuff and black humor - the pulpy insanity is part of what I like about the show. The last half of S1 and the majority of S2 were well constructed, and my disappointment in SoA stems from the fact that the show has drifted away from that in S3 and S4. I still enjoyed most of S4 and will continue to watch the show. In the end, SoA unfortunately falls short of what I think the show is capable of and what I want it to be.
 
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Satchel

Banned
Fucking shit finale.

Talk about a bait and switch. Piss weak Sutter, piss weak. Why do so many TV writers feel the need to treat TV Shows like relationships?

'Treat them mean and keep them keen' doesn't work in the world of TV champ, eventually people get pissed off and just switch off.

Only the biggest shows can pull a Ross and Rachel. You guys aren't there yet.

Season 5 hype immediately dissapated once I realised fully he won't be dying.

I suspected he wouldn't anyway, but still was hoping to god he would.
 
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JerkShep

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Maybe Sutter's right with that post, generally speaking. But it has nothing to do with the finale, really. The episode was the opposite of simple and fun. It was an over complex, convoluted and boring mess. The same thing could be said for the fourth season in general really. There was some good character driven drama in there and some great moments, but they were basically lost in layers and layers of storylines that made absolutely no sense in the end (Black Juice for example lol).
 
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megamerican

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I wasn't as offended by the finale as some people were. I didn't actually expect them to kill off Clay and have Jax working as a janitor in Omaha. But yeah, the reset was a bit too clean, and a bit too transparent for my tastes.
 
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sk3

Banned
I think the end of this season worked because of all the twists with Clay. My general thought process throughout the season:

"Clay is a shitbag"
"Clay has to die, but theres no way they kill him"
"OMG are they going to kill him?! Bullshit they'll puss out"
"Oh shit they are going to do it!"
"What the fuck is this?"

In the end I recognize they couldn't do it, but they had me going for a bit there. And it sets up the end of the series beautifully. I wish there was SOME pay off, and they blueballed us hardcore, but this isn't Dexter levels of stupidity. There is a plan and you can see its course.

But this is no Breaking Bad.
 
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tokkun

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I actually felt like the worst part of that episode was the Bobby reset. The others were dumb contrivances, but there wasn't even a reason given for the CIA getting Bobby released.
 
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Ninja Scooter

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This show is hitting nip/tuck trajectory in terms of quality. The scene at the end with Gemma and Tara showing up to the table and staring at each other was pure soap opera.
 
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Lonestar

I joined for Erin Brockovich discussion
tokkun said:
I actually felt like the worst part of that episode was the Bobby reset. The others were dumb contrivances, but there wasn't even a reason given for the CIA getting Bobby released.
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Well, Bobby isn't out yet, and I sounded more like a "do what we want, and then we'll see if we can get Bobby out" type statement.
 
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