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[Deleted member 13876]

Can anyone clarify if Nagito knew it was a simulation? I thought he did based on the Hope's Academy file. His reaction right after was very strong and I do believe it mentioned stuff like Hiyoko's growth spurt and maybe some of the body alterations the Remnants did that wouldn't be reflected in their avatars. But I may be way off here. If he knew it was a simulation I can definitely see him surviving or recovering before the others would.

 

[GuardianE]

Nagito's a better antagonist than Junko.

I'd agree with that.

Junko, while great, feels like something of an unstoppable force of nature or an idea.

With Nagito, you see the gears turning, and you know there's something terrifying behind his friendly smile. He's a person would who doesn't fear death or pain. He would not hesitate to slice himself or anyone else open for his beliefs. Peeking into his mind really does seem like it would be stepping into calm, collected madness.

Can anyone clarify if Nagito knew it was a simulation? I thought he did based on the Hope's Academy file. His reaction right after was very strong and I do believe it mentioned stuff like Hiyoko's growth spurt and maybe some of the body alterations the Remnants did that wouldn't be reflected in their avatars. But I may be way off here. If he knew it was a simulation I can definitely see him surviving or recovering before the others would.

I don't believe Nagito knew it was a simulation. Nagito didn't even know who the traitor was. The point is that he was always a nutjob, even before becoming an Ultimate Despair. This is why he viewed all of the others with such disdain after reading the Academy file. He discovered they weren't symbols of hope, but symbols of despair... himself included. Which is exactly why he wanted all of them to die (including himself) so he could transcend and become the Ultimate Hope.

 

[The Silver]

Nagito is just such a fascinating character, its like reading about serial killers and wondering how their minds work.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

I don't believe Nagito knew it was a simulation. Nagito didn't even know who the traitor was. The point is that he was always a nutjob, even before becoming an Ultimate Despair. This is why he viewed all of the others with such disdain after reading the Academy file. He discovered they weren't symbols of hope, but symbols of despair... himself included. Which is exactly why he wanted all of them to die (including himself) so he could transcend and become the Ultimate Hope.

Yeah that part I got and it's definitely what made him great. Knowing of the simulation wouldn't necessarily reveal the identity of the traitor though, but it would shed light on the traitor's role.

 

[GuardianE]

Yeah that part I got and it's definitely what made him great. Knowing of the simulation wouldn't necessarily reveal the identity of the traitor though, but it would shed light on the traitor's role.

You mean, if he knew it was a simulation, but not of Junko's plan? I can't remember if there's really anything pointing to that either way, but Nagito might've pieced it together. The only thing for sure is that he did not know Junko's plan.

 

[SolarKnight]

I like to imagine that the Ultimate Despair mostly used their abilities for the sake of despair.

Mahiru: Blackmail photos
Impostor: Framing others for actions they didn't commit
Teruteru: "Cooking" other people...not necessarily literally, it could also be arson...but I'm not convinced it couldn't have happened literally
Souda: We already saw the results of his despair self in DR1's executions
Peko: Should be self-explainatory what she'd do
Fuyuhiko: He'd abuse his position of power for despair
Sonia: Same as above
Ibuki:...preeeeeetty sure she can easily make people deaf

Stuff like that

 

[Gazoinks]

I like to imagine that the Ultimate Despair mostly used their abilities for the sake of despair.

Mahiru: Blackmail photos
Impostor: Framing others for actions they didn't commit
Teruteru: "Cooking" other people...not necessarily literally, it could also be arson...but I'm not convinced it couldn't have happened literally
Souda: We already saw the results of his despair self in DR1's executions
Peko: Should be self-explainatory what she'd do
Fuyuhiko: He'd abuse his position of power for despair
Sonia: Same as above
Ibuki:...preeeeeetty sure she can easily make people deaf

Stuff like that

Oh man, I'm just imagining Despair Gundham going on rampages with his Devas of Destruction. So good.

 

[JNA]

Nagito's a better antagonist than Junko.

In terms of making the viewer hate that character like your supposed to with antagonist? Yes he trumps Junko in that regard. XD

Speaking of which I wonder if the survivors will try to bring him back to life like they are trying to bring the others?

 

[Gazoinks]

In terms of making the viewer hate that character like your supposed to with antagonist? Yes he trumps Junko in that regard. XD

Speaking of which I wonder if the survivors will try to bring him back to life like they are trying to bring the others?

I think Hajime is probably too nice not to, even if it's probably not a good idea.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

You mean, if he knew it was a simulation, but not of Junko's plan? I can't remember if there's really anything pointing to that either way, but Nagito might've pieced it together. The only thing for sure is that he did not know Junko's plan.

Yeah. As I recall the Academy file had info on everyone's school life, which of course revealed the Remnants of Despair thing and is the source of his disdainful attitude afterwards. But I think it also had pictures of the cast 2-3 years later that would not match up with the avatars.

 

[JNA]

Oh man, I'm just imagining Despair Gundham going on rampages with his Devas of Destruction. So good.

He did say his hamsters were not there true form after all! 0_0

 

[Shahadan]

In terms of making the viewer hate that character like your supposed to with antagonist? Yes he trumps Junko in that regard. XD

Speaking of which I wonder if the survivors will try to bring him back to life like they are trying to bring the others?

Since Kyoko mentioned at the end the chances of comatose ultimate despairs to wake up are close to zero, I think we can assume Nagito will wake up by himself with his Luck.

 

[JNA]

Since Kyoko mentioned at the end the chances of comatose ultimate despairs to wake up are close to zero, I think we can assume Nagito will wake up by itself with his Luck.

Oh man your right...

Damn that luck talent is not so useless XD.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

Since Kyoko mentioned at the end the chances of comatose ultimate despairs to wake up are close to zero, I think we can assume Nagito will wake up by himself with his Luck.

Yeah, that'd be another out. His luck seems geared towards survival, but living in misery all the while.

 

[SolarKnight]

Oh man, I'm just imagining Despair Gundham going on rampages with his Devas of Destruction. So good.

I'd rather imagine them sitting on his shoulders with tiny evil overlord hamster capes...while he lets loose lions, tigers, and other dangerous animals to attack people.

Yeah. As I recall the Academy file had info on everyone's school life, which of course revealed the Remnants of Despair thing and is the source of his disdainful attitude afterwards. But I think it also had pictures of the cast 2-3 years later that would not match up with the avatars.

But we don't know said pictures were included right? There could've easily just been pictures of when they first entered the academy and that's it. Hell, seeing how Monokuma kept going out of his way to cover Chiaki's non-existence I wouldn't be surprised if he had also gone out of his way to only include pictures of them in their first year.

 

[LX_Theo]

Something I've been wondering about. If/When Mikan wakes up. Is she gonna be Ultimate Despair Mikan like she was by the time of her death?

 

[Deleted member 13876]

But we don't know said pictures were included right?

That's what I'm not sure about. In either case, I don't think this will be the last we see of him. I wonder if they're keeping an eye on the Western reception of the game and its characters and will take some of that in consideration.

Something I've been wondering about. If/When Mikan wakes up. Is she gonna be Ultimate Despair Milan like she was by the time of her death?

Good question. She completely reverted to Remnant status there.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Good question. She completely reverted to Remnant status there.

Anyone else who would have regained their memories at that point probably would have, as well.

 

[JNA]

Anyone else who would have regained their memories at that point probably would have, as well.

Hajime did come back as his pre-despair self though so there is a small chance they could too (along with the near zero chance they actually wake up).

 

[SolarKnight]

In either case, I don't think this will be the last we see of him.

Obviously not

However, while the possibility that he wakes up because of his luck is real, there's also the possibility that he dies/died because of his sickness while in the coma.

 

[Rubedo]

Something I've been wondering about. If/When Mikan wakes up. Is she gonna be Ultimate Despair Milan like she was by the time of her death?

Seeing as how somehow recovering deleted avatars and somehow getting brains that have already ceased functioning (basically dead) would already take a huge amount of skill and tampering with the program, I'm sure they could find a way to alter the memories.

But because of how impossible it seems to actually do the right things to get the bodies to awaken, I don't think any of them will come out of their state ever. Except maybe Nagito by random chance.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Hajime did come back as his pre-despair self though so there is a small chance they could too (along with the near zero chance they actually wake up).

If Hajime regained his memories suddenly in chapter 3 like Mikan did, I guarantee he would have reverted to Izuru.

 

[JNA]

If Hajime regained his memories suddenly in chapter 3 like Mikan did, I guarantee he would have reverted to Izuru.

Probably yeah.

Also did Hajime get a haircut or something in the epilogue? His despair self had really long hair. XD

 

[The Bankslammer]

izuru's hair couldn't fit in the pod for the new world program so makoto & co had to cut it off

 

[Shahadan]

Obviously not

However, while the possibility that he wakes up because of his luck is real, there's also the possibility that he dies/died because of his sickness while in the coma.

I reaaaallly don't think such a character will die like that. There is too much left to do with him.

By the way, someone else thought he sent major Junko vibes sometimes? He has a pose when he's condescendent or mean that always made me think of her...I didn't think of verifying if she has a similar pose. Iirc he's using his junko hand during that pose and the other hand is always used to be friendly.
I may be mistaken but I found that interesting if it's intended.

Also his hair made me think of Junko right from the start, obviously.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

Obviously not

However, while the possibility that he wakes up because of his luck is real, there's also the possibility that he dies/died because of his sickness while in the coma.

The good luck/bad luck thing seems like a sadistic thing. If you get into his backstory he's been through tremendously shitty things like accidents and kidnappings but he keeps surviving and there's some twisted balance thing. Like his parents die, but he gets more money than he can mange. He gets kidnapped...and somehow also gets money out of it. Here he could survive yet another situation, but the dementia could drive him more insane. He could have a rare cancer, yet at the same time be one of the few people who still live long lives despite it. Shit, I'm getting dangerously close to fanfiction territory.

 

[JNA]

izuru's hair couldn't fit in the pod for the new world program so makoto & co had to cut it off

But then what about Sonia's hair? She had longer hair than anyone in the cast, including Izuru. Did she get a haircut too? 0_0

 

[Rubedo]

I reaaaallly don't think such a character will die like that. There is too much left to do with him.

By the way, someone else thought he sent major Junko vibes sometimes? He has a pose when he's condescendent or mean that always made me think of her...I didn't think of verifying if she has a similar pose. Iirc he's using his junko hand during that pose and the other hand is always used to be friendly.
I may be mistaken but I found that interesting if it's intended.

Also his hair made me think of Junko right from the start, obviously.

His appearance made me think of what it'd look like if Junko and Makoto had a kid.

 

[GuardianE]

If Hajime regained his memories suddenly in chapter 3 like Mikan did, I guarantee he would have reverted to Izuru.

But did Nagito or Akane even remember what they did during their Despair Disease after they were cured? If not, Mikan would likely revert back once her affliction had healed.

EDIT: Oh, but Monokuma just arbitrarily healed them all at a point in the story... did that include Mikan, since no one knew she was afflicted?

 

[Deleted member 13876]

izuru's hair couldn't fit in the pod for the new world program so makoto & co had to cut it off

But were the Four Dark Devas of Destruction in a pod?

 

[Rubedo]

But were the Four Dark Devas of Destruction in a pod?

Probably not. The ones in the simulation were probably just based on memories from before Hope's Peak Academy.

 

[The Bankslammer]

oh i was just joking, i just think izuru's hair is gross is all

 

[JNA]

But were the Four Dark Devas of Destruction in a pod?

...now I'm imaging the 4 hamsters getting cute little pods or helmets of there own. XD

 

[Gazoinks]

But were the Four Dark Devas of Destruction in a pod?

They may very well have died before Gundham got podded. Hamsters don't live very long, and they lost, what, two years' worth of memories?

 

[Deleted member 13876]

They may very well have died before Gundham got podded. Hamsters don't live very long, and they lost, what, two years' worth of memories?

It'd be extra sad if Gundham was playing with fake hamsters all the time.

 

[JNA]

oh i was just joking, i just think izuru's hair is gross is all

Indeed.

I think the artists were A LITTLE lazy with this design. It's basically Hajime with really long hair. I thought there would be different facial features like more scars on the face, different body structure, etc.

 

[Rubedo]

It'd be extra sad if Gundham was playing with fake hamsters all the time.

It could be that after becoming insane and all despairing and stuff he just didn't care about them as much. It seems like his whole befriending animals and "Lord of Hell" routine is because he's lonely but if he got attention from Junko and grew a devtion to her he may have cast them aside for her.

 

[Shahadan]

His appearance made me think of what it'd look like if Junko and Makoto had a kid.

I think that's the point actually, to me he's like the embodiement of both Hope and Despair. Also fits his Luck/Bad Luck thing. Plus he has basically a friendly hand and an evil hand.
Plus I'm guessing he's popular, I'm pretty sure we'll see him again in a major role.

Stabbing his own hand during his suicide was a nice nod btw, I thought.

Also I was surprised to read on the wiki his name was not intended to refer to makoto, he has too many similarities. I don't really buy that :x

 

[LX_Theo]

It'd be extra sad if Gundham was playing with fake hamsters all the time.

Hamsters don't live long enough for the ones he had entering high school to still have been around, right. Shoot, they might even be linked to why he became Ultimate Despair

 

[FluxWaveZ]

But did Nagito or Akane even remember what they did during their Despair Disease after they were cured? If not, Mikan would likely revert back once her affliction had healed.

It was a unique trait of the Despair Disease that Mikan was afflicted with, since each of them were unique (most likely designed specifically by Monokuma). Mikan's made her remember everything that happened, so I'm not sure that she would really revert back to being her previous self since it seemed that Akane and Nagito were aware of their sickness once they were cured. It was left nebulous, but I think she was fully cured at the end of the trial, just like Nagito and Akane.

 

[SolarKnight]

Let's remember that Izuru gives no fucks about anything at all, so I'm pretty sure the long hair is him stopping giving a shit about appearances...Honestly I hope he still gave a shit about personal hygiene though.

 

[Rubedo]

Indeed.

I think the artists were A LITTLE lazy with this design. It's basically Hajime with really long hair. I thought there would be different facial features like more scars on the face, different body structure, etc.

It actually looks better there than the shot where he has gray hair on the ship. In the ship scene when it actually shows him, he looks like he's just wearing a long mop on his head. Doesn't look like real hair at all at that part.

 

[JNA]

His appearance made me think of what it'd look like if Junko and Makoto had a kid.

Well he did...well...cut his arm off and attach Junko's arm instead...somehow...

God that was creepy.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

Hamsters don't live long enough for the ones he had entering high school to still have been around, right. Shoot, they might even be linked to why he became Ultimate Despair

I'd like to imagine Makoto and the rest spending 6 months of R&D time on hamster integration.

 

[PK Gaming]

Indeed.

I think the artists were A LITTLE lazy with this design. It's basically Hajime with really long hair. I thought there would be different facial features like more scars on the face, different body structure, etc.

He looks a lot better with his suit

And you guys, Izuru is frighteningly popular on tumblr/2chan for some reason

 

[Deleted member 13876]

It could be that after becoming insane and all despairing and stuff he just didn't care about them as much. It seems like his whole befriending animals and "Lord of Hell" routine is because he's lonely but if he got attention from Junko and grew a devtion to her he may have cast them aside for her.

What made his death sad is that Sonia really started to warm up to him near the end.

 

[DaBoss]

I would love to be able to see Byakuya's reaction to the ultimate imposter.

 

[GuardianE]

I would love to be able to see Byakuya's reaction to the ultimate imposter.

They'd probably just call each other trash for the next four hours.

 

[JNA]

Let's remember that Izuru gives no fucks about anything at all, so I'm pretty sure the long hair is him stopping giving a shit about appearances...Honestly I hope he still gave a shit about personal hygiene though.

"Showers?...how boring. I purify myself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka."

Spoiler

free cookie to anyone that gets the reference XD.

 

[GuardianE]

"Showers?...how boring. I purify myself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka."

Spoiler

free cookie to anyone that gets the reference XD.

Chappelle Show- Charlie Murphy's True Hollywood Stories featuring Prince.

Gimme mah cookie.