R_thanatos
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Spring Anime 2012 III | AITAKATTA YES!
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sharing drolls is better than kissing
Jex
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Well, you have to understand that it was a different time with a different set of people. I mean, seasonal threads back then got to about 4,000 posts.
dakkumauji
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Naruto SD 13
Leik omg.
Serious moments aren't what I wanted to see here. The comedy is still decent-ish.
Leik omg.
Serious moments aren't what I wanted to see here. The comedy is still decent-ish.
firehawk12
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Well, you can do that while kissing too!
BRS bomba'd? What the hell, Japan, I expect much worse from you.
NINTENDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Finally, firehawk's making some progress selling the show!
Those two episodes I really loved. They're very unusual pieces to the greater puzzle more so in the case of Nightmare Quiz Show than The Girl With a Smile.
The Nightmare Quiz Show episode, I still cannot pinpoint the exact origin to but I liked how it served multiple purposes, namely that it helped provide some background about the world of Ergo Proxy without an infodump and that the game show in general complements the theme of self-discovery in the sense that Vincent is still very much ignorant of himself and his surroundings.
The Smile Land episode
was the case of a Proxy infiltrating the mind of Pino (how the proxy got there, I'm not sure). It reveals however, that an AutoReiv was in fact capable of dreaming, which was surely a result of the virus. The purpose of the dream was for the Proxy to warn Pino about allowing Vincent to reach a particular dome city that they had intended to go, but didn't since Pino begged Vincent not to.
Jex
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I think that's really the most interesting thing about watching Elfen Lied. The analytical part of your brain responds to the stimulus on display and interprets what you see as something with meaning and purpose, but as the show goes on you being to question that early assumption as it becomes clear that the creators or sensationalising what they put out for display. I've never watched another show and had trouble deciding if it was crass shit or something with some depth.
Eventually I came to the same conclusion as you, but it took me awhile.
hosannainexcelsis
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Let me highlight the relevant phrase for you here:
It's a split-cour show; the rest is airing in the fall.
Dedication Through Light
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I was disappointed when this was revealed especially since Tamayori Hime and the plot took such an intense turn.
firehawk12
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That doesn't mean teens don't have sex though. A percentage of over 50% of 25 year old men who pay for sex happen to have had sex for the first time... so that means the other percentage had sex before 25, doesn't it? Or that it wasn't their first time?
hosannainexcelsis
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I would certainly assume that it happens, but all the surveys and reports I've seen indicate that teenagers as well as the population at large in Japan are substantially less interested in sexual/romantic relationships than those in other countries. Not that I've made an in-depth study of it or anything.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I get the impression that they don't want to have kids, not that they don't want to have sex.
oh god. I might have to start collecting Nenderoids.
its not naive. The way the characters were depicted was never in any arousing or sensual way. You know how sexuality is presented in anime. Elfen Lied (elven Song) does none of that. The only thing I can think of is a few situations when he first meets nyuu and has some ecchi comedy style scenes, but its never taken seriously and quickly pushed to the wayside, as if they knew not to focus on it.
You're spelling this thit wrong on purpose now.
hosannainexcelsis
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This article summarizes some of the findings reported by Dr. Kunio Kitamura in his recent book "Young People Averse to Sex". Seems to me like a broader issue than just not wanting children.
firehawk12
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The article makes it sound like a series of anecdotes though. I suppose social factors are at play - I'm guessing this doctor didn't find any gay teens to interview, for example - but I find it hard to believe that kids don't have sex or aren't interested in sex.
They might as well say that teenagers also don't watch porn in Japan at that point.
Speaking of multidimensional stuff, amazing post. :lol
hosannainexcelsis
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The article makes it sound like a series of anecdotes though. I suppose social factors are at play - I'm guessing this doctor didn't find any gay teens to interview, for example - but I find it hard to believe that kids don't have sex or aren't interested in sex.
They might as well say that teenagers also don't watch porn in Japan at that point.
If you'd like specific figures, a 2010 survey by the Japan Family Planning Association reports that 36% of males aged 16-19 are "indifferent or averse" to sex (a 19% increase since 2008), and a full 59% of females aged 16-19 feel the same way (a 12% increase since 2008).
I'd advise against it unless you've a soft spot for harem anime.
Ah damn it, what the hell!? How does it go from that anime to this one... It makes absolutely no sense
The article makes it sound like a series of anecdotes though. I suppose social factors are at play - I'm guessing this doctor didn't find any gay teens to interview, for example - but I find it hard to believe that kids don't have sex or aren't interested in sex.
They might as well say that teenagers also don't watch porn in Japan at that point.
Isn't Japan one of the few developed countries with a negative population growth rate?
http://www.google.com/publicdata/ex...:JPN&dl=en&hl=en&q=japanese+population+growth
Though I guess it could just be a high amount of safe recreational sex.
hosannainexcelsis
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Fate/Zero is actually a prequel... so the better question is "how did they go from F/SN to this?" And the answer is because Gen Urobuchi is a much better writer than Kinoko Nasu.
Um, Jex does that for a lot of shows, even ones he likes. "Tantami Galaxy", etc.
dakkumauji
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Haruhi-chan 01-07
Not bad. It's a 5 minute flash series so it doesn't look amazing, but the gags are pretty fun, it's short so stuff doesn't drag and some bits have kept me amused. I'm ok with Nagato turning into an otaku as well.
Not bad. It's a 5 minute flash series so it doesn't look amazing, but the gags are pretty fun, it's short so stuff doesn't drag and some bits have kept me amused. I'm ok with Nagato turning into an otaku as well.
Yes, but in reality F/SN had been created first... In fact I just remembered that it was indeed a hentai game (of some sort) initially.
So, the better question is. What thought processes/management decisions must be made to go from Hentai Game -> Harem Anime -> Action Anime
Jex
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It's getting a bit too graphic in here for sensitive minds.
Crash Station
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It's not ACTUALLY a harem anime. It's still action. Just with harem elements.
I cast the only vote for it.
Anyway,
Wandering Son
Great stuff. I'm guessing most people here already saw this, but what the hell, might as well post some thoughts.
First of all, the show looks amazing, I can not stress this enough. I could literally post every scene from every episode as an example of this shows beauty. The art direction is certainly unique and while that would be enough for some studios and shows (cough Katanagatari cough), the animation is really good here too, although it could even be considered unnecessary by some, seeing as it's a slice of life show and there's not a lot of places to showcase the animated side of the visuals. But stuff moves in this show, small stuff like hair, or facial gestures is animated and it looks beautiful.
The music is great too, mellow and melancholic, it fits the look of the show and gets outshined by it, but that's to be expected with a show this beautiful.
Story-wise this is some top notch stuff too. It's so mature and subtle in dealing with transgender issues, something truly unique in anime. The characters are realistic and although they're kids they act more mature than most adult anime characters. Everything is extremely tasteful. The story is presented at a pretty brisk pace actually, strange for this type of show, but that can probably be attributed to the fact that everything had to fit into 11 episodes. It's great though, and people expecting something slow (like I did going into this) will be pleasantly surprised.
I loved all of the characters by the end of the show, except for Takatsuki. I don't know if maybe she didn't had enough time to develop, but I found her to be extremely unsympathetic, didn't care for her at all, and definitely didn't want Nitorin to end up with her. At first I was rooting for Saori, but then switched to Anna, who I thought was very well developed and acted as a real person would. I liked Saori at the end too, although she tried her best to be unlikable. Other characters who got under my skin were definitely Yuki and Sasa, loved their support roles and the way they played out.
Thanks Envelope, I planned watching this but had no idea when I'd actually do it, so it's good someone gave me a push.
Too bad you won't like the 10 episodes of OP you have to watch, but I'm not losing hope.
A question to the manga readers: How different is the manga from the show? Does the way the anime ended (it actually concluded in a way I'd say, although a lot of it is left unresolved) happen in the manga, or do those scenes not appear at all and the manga just continues? Should I read it?
Anyway, next backlog show I'm tackling: Kaiji.
Haruhi-chan 01-07
Not bad. It's a 5 minute flash series so it doesn't look amazing, but the gags are pretty fun, it's short so stuff doesn't drag and some bits have kept me amused. I'm ok with Nagato turning into an otaku as well.
I really enjoyed it, it's fun to watch the characters devolve into huge parodies of themselves. Also the OP to the final episode is pretty special, got a good laugh out of me!
Ok, well maybe I'll watch a little of it. I'm actually quite curious about it now.
You could simply watch the superior Unlimited Blade Works film and skip the Fate route.
Okay, the thought processes aren't really hard here. Let me explain how it happened:
Fate/Stay Night was made as a crummy indie Japanese visual novel by a bad writer and his friend the bad artist. The setting and characters were compelling, so it became very popular. The game was also remade on the PS2 with better graphics and no porn. It became even more popular.
They were approached for the license to turn it into a TV anime, which they accepted. The people who handled that adaptation hired a shitty anime studio which did a piss poor job of it. So the bad writing and bad art from the game translated into worse writing, terrible direction, and bad animation for the TV series.
Years later, the Fate franchise because quite a big "thing" and there were sound dramas, manga, anime, etc. To further expand on this franchise, they decided to do a brand new novel series which covers the events prior to F/SN. To make it different and unique, they approached a guy who could actually right to pen the novels. This became Fate/Zero.
Many more years later, more responsible and business savvy folks decided to license Fate/Zero to turn it into an anime. Because they are not dumbfucks, they actually cared about quality, and picked a good responsible animation studio to work on it. This studio poured their heart and soul into producing a solid TV adaptation, done tastefully and with full understanding of what makes good entertainment.
Yeah.
Jex
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Let's take a wider view here. Based on how teenage romance is portrayed in anime and manga, there are two possibilities.
1) Teens in Japan are very similar to teens elsewhere and it's just that manga and anime, because of various cultural reasons, depict teens as far less interested in sex than they actually are.
2) Anime and manga simply reflect that Teens in Japan are actually different to Teens in other Western countries, for a whole host of reasons.
Of course, there's actually more possibilities then that, but let's just play a long for a moment. I think it's far more logical to assume that, to an extent, 2 is more likely than 1. If we take a look at some fairly large, albeit slightly old studies -
Japanese youths, both male and female, show a remarkably slow development in sexual behaviors in comparison to other societies. There is no clear antisexual activity policies existent in the nation, nor any discouragement of male-female relations in the nations limited sexuality education. The most probable reasons behind the slow psychosexual development lie in the traditional societal attitude toward the free sexual activities, particularly when they involve educated, upper-class women, and the societys strong respect for education, which results in suppression of sexual behaviors among the youths...But such interest in the other sex among the girls is more mental and fantasy-based, and not necessarily accompanied by actual physical activities, such as physical contact, in which the boys are four years ahead of the girls, and sexual arousal, in which boys are five years ahead of the girls.
...Another example is the unnecessarily tight pressure of university entrance examinations. Since admission to a university of rank is often considered to be the decisive factor for the whole life of a Japanese, senior high school students are particularly repressed in their sexual behaviors in lieu of preparatory studies. Based on the same logic, parents, and perhaps classroom teachers too, are eager to require that the children concentrate only on school work, and definitely discourage the sexual activity of the children. As a result, the onset of the pubescent developmental sequence, and the adolescent behavioral developmental sequence in general, are being decelerated at certain times. At the same time, due to the freer mode of sexual behaviors, particularly among post-senior high school youth, the last portion of the sexual development sequence is condensed to a shorter period of time.
Much more here: http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/IES/japan.html
[Hôrô Musuko]
The TV series skips all the elementary school part (volumes 1 to 4, more or less) and uses flashbacks for some of the more important stuff instead. It also skips a few stories here and there.
Most of it was in the manga already, but they added/changed a few details and it feels a bit more conclusive as a result. The manga just keeps going (the characters are now in high school).
Definitely.
I think that's usually an accident... the first time at least.
Jex
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And far too much free will.
That all sounds pretty reasonable, and I kinda guessed that the original material had to have become popular somehow. Also, it is understandable that this thing was written by someone with a lot more talent. What I was trying to really get at was how it became action rather than some kind of romance anime, but this was sort of answered by cosmicblizzard when he said that the original anime was action with harem elements.
So from what I understand the transition was something like
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Shitty Writing -> Bad Writing -> Good Writing
Hentai Game -> Harem/Action Anime -> Action AnimeJex
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Jex
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When you lay it all out like that it's kind of painful. Then again, everyday since the end of Fate/Zero has been marred with tragedy thanks to a steady stream of Fate/Stay Night content.
Awesome. I hope you enjoy it zawa zawa zawa
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