Jex
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Um, all their work on the Kara no Kyōkai/Garden of Sinners movie series?
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Um, all their work on the Kara no Kyōkai/Garden of Sinners movie series?
Didnt those have awful artwork? Besides that, one good series is barely enough to go on for such a large important project as this. It just seems like there would be more suitable studios to tackle the project. Not that Ufotable did a bad job.
Jex
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Erm, we're talking about the same studio that produced a product that sold like this:
*1, 51,562 *51,562 Kara no Kyoukai Limited Edition
Those are insane numbers especially considering the price of the release. Why the hell would you pick anyone else?
Why not pick Shaft then? Also, it could have been made by another studio and still sold extremely well because people really like Type moon stuff.
Kara no Kyoukai was an even bigger project than Fate/Zero, so the question is why/how did Aniplex let them handle 7 movies.
When I die El Cantare will bless me with a 2D world of futa.
Of course.
Nintendo believes it is for your own good. They don't want you to rot your brain
Bu...bububu...Nintendo is the whole reason I'm in this mess to begin with
Misty from Pokemon is the whole reason I eventually developed a 2D complex as a teenager. THAT'S IT, I'M SUING.
Jex
Member
They don't have any experience handing that kind of property and they have a very limited ability to handle stuff like action animation.
A Black Falcon
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Um... yes, Naru is violent, but she doesn't kill anybody, and really only ever hits Keitaro. That's very different from Lucy. And as for the rest of the casts, they're all entirely different, and the Love Hina characters are better, mostly, too.
Yes you can.
Hah... that's amusing I guess, and it is true -- these last few episodes absolutely are Senriyama-hen. Kuro's barely even a character in what's supposedly her team's show, it's all about Toki. I don't mean that as a complaint, Toki is a good character, it's just a fact.Saki ~ Senriyama-hen ~ Episode of side-Toki
With occasional background cameos by miscellaneous Achiga students.
I bet that changes after ep. 12, though, the last three probably will be more about Achiga. And I think Kuro'll have something relevant to do in 12, too... but still, yes, most of this round is about Toki. And she is a good enough character to carry it.
Joke? No, it's true.
:lol What, can't even keep the genders the same in the Hollywood version?
I like the AKB0048 cast, though...
Also, going by ep. 8, the DES actually seems more interested in kidnapping the AKB members than killing them. Though they do shoot at them too, so yeah.
You mean that it did come with faults, right? Or that it didn't come without faults?
What do you mean, off-model?
Yeah, Ergo Proxy is a pretty good series, I agree. Some people here don't like it so much, but I definitely do. I thought Re-l was a pretty good character most of the time, I like the design and the character. Vincent was more annoying sometimes, but still, overall, good cast, and a good series. The story definitely is confusing at times, but most thing are eventually explained, if you pay attention (and maybe rewatch some parts), and I don't mind complexity if it's done this well, anyway.
It did border on being too depressing at times, and the bodycount is high, but I liked how it ended...
It was great that they pulled away from the apocalyptic ending they could have gone to, and instead did a moderately more optimistic one. It was sort of a sequel hook for something that doesn't exist, but still, it's a good ending.
Overall, I like the art design, the world, the story (mostly), and some of the characters. It does have some issues, I agree, like some weak episodes and characters, but it's a quite good series overall.
I agree, both of those episodes were quite good. They were pretty strange, but by the end of each one, they fit into the series well, and do make sense, even if they initially don't seem to. It was pretty cleverly done. By the end of it, I thought that the Smile Land episode particularly was great. The ending's fantastic, I really like how it resolves things,
and avoids the constant depression and death that permeates so much of the series, too.
It's probably slightly sexualized, but you overstate how much so it is by quite a bit.
... You're comparing nudity to murder and rape? What?
I agree.
Um, I really hope that you're not saying that you think that F/SN was unintentionally sexist... I can't possibly imagine it being as bad as it is without it being intentional. Maybe you could argue it was unwitting, based on the author's sexism or something, I don't know, but it's far too important a theme in the series to be unintentional.
The art is a slight improvement on the original Type-Moon designs, but they're bad mostly because of the original designs which people seem to like are bad to begin with. The actual animation is fantastic. The digital hybrid usage is hit or miss, and improves as the movies progress because of more experience.
KnK was seen as a risky project because it was a 7 movie adaptation of a shitty novel Nasu wrote long before Type-Moon got incredibly popular. The trick was to do it faithfully so that fans would be satisfied, and with a high production budget and using modern animation techniques which aren't commonly used. Very experimental. It turned out to be a huge success, so there's no surprise that Aniplex would make Ufotable the first-choice partner when thet decided to do another high budget adaptation of a Type-Moon related novel.
Those numbers are kinda wrong. The movie series was initially released on DVD only and in individual volumes, since each movie stands alone as a film (some longer and some shorter). It was only later that they released a full box set on blu-ray.
KnK1 - 81k (DVD LE+Regular)
KnK2 - 75k (DVD LE+Regular)
KnK3 - 75k (DVD LE+Regular)
KnK4 - 69k (DVD LE+Regular)
KnK5 - 68k (DVD LE+Regular)
KnK6 - 66k (DVD LE+Regular)
KnK7 - 63k (DVD LE+Regular)
KnK Epilogue - 23k (DVD Regular)
KnK Blu-ray Box - 26k
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I figure that has to do with its immigration policies in conjunction with any social practices regarding sex though.
Japanese boys do want to fuck though. Or at least they know that they want to fuck and those participate in manual manipulation (autoerotic release, as these people might call it).
I also found that funny because it shows men are assholes, regardless of culture.
There's also this tidbit that goes along with that:
Which is basically the percentage of women who feel that they are "forced" into their first sexual experience. Of course it's higher than the percentage of men who feel the same way at the same ages.
That said, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that some people just... well, fuck. I mean, it's not like kids are having sex in the hallway at American schools (well, maybe they are, it's been a while). Given that apparently every boy masturbates and that some percentage of girls are also sexually curious, there's bound to be some segment of the teen population where having sex is just a normal thing instead of some sacred holy institution that, if performed incorrectly, will result in your soul's eternal damnation.
Either way, given the cultural proclivities, I can understand why shoujo is super chaste and a kiss is basically sex. But shows like MGX and whatnot are presumably meant for guys... and well, as this paper have shown, guys have sex on their brains all the time.
Man, I can't believe I forgot this, but go figure that the eroge adaptations are the ones where the characters are interested in sex. It's taken to the extreme in School Days, but in Amagami SS, the characters just treat sex as a normal part of a growing relationship.
Jex
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[AKB0048] - 9
I am completely astounded. Against everyone's better judgement there's a shot where they have 2D girls and CG girls standing together in the same frame. The result is...repulsive but it has a consequence beyond that as well.
In a brief dancing sequence we see this shot:
and then this shot straight after:
No one ever bothered to check that the colour of her clothing isn't consistent at all.
I am completely astounded. Against everyone's better judgement there's a shot where they have 2D girls and CG girls standing together in the same frame. The result is...repulsive but it has a consequence beyond that as well.
In a brief dancing sequence we see this shot:
and then this shot straight after:
No one ever bothered to check that the colour of her clothing isn't consistent at all.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Kagami was joking! lol
Obviously he would be in a school girl outfit!
It's mostly the same, other than the time skip. In hindsight, it's probably good that the anime ends where it does, because Shimura meanders into banal and safe territory pretty much right after the anime ends.
I'm still glad the original episodes are out there. Yuki's story was cut from the tv broadcast due to the tsunami and that basically ruined the series for me.
A Black Falcon
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What, you think that Kagami actually thinks that E7Ao is a better E7 show than Achiga-hen is Saki? That didn't sound that way to me, but I wouldn't know for sure. I do know that Kagami's posting about Achiga-hen.
... Now that would be something to see. :lol
firehawk12
Subete no aware
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Nasu seems like the type of writer who comes up with good concepts, but executes them poorly because he gets so hung up on the details of the concept and expanding on them forever and ever he forgets to write a good story around them. Missing the forest for the trees, as it were.
Jex
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Perhaps that, while appearing normal, is actually abnormal for certain other people!
Don't talk about George R R Martin that way.
Train of Midnight
Banned
Dusk Maiden of Amnesia - 10
This show just got so real so fast. I love it!
This show just got so real so fast. I love it!
It's probably not that simple. The actual popularity of KnK was pretty suspect before the movies were made, and the main priority for the Aniplex producer was quality. If I'm not wrong, he was looking to make an anime out of the work, but it was Ufotable's idea to make it in the manner which would have the most risk, but also the most reward.
They felt they could make something which would really impress people, and since they do pretty much everything internally, it was also a good chance for the studio to really challenge themselves and make a major production, gaining experience and trying out new techniques in the process.
Aniplex has been very happy to spend money like that in recent years, because they for whatever reason they don't mind paying a lot of money for relatively untested stuff, as long as there are good potential returns. After all, they bankrolled Gurren Lagann at Gainax even though Imaishi had never directed a TV series before, and it was an original property to boot. They also bankrolled Fullmetal Alchemist at BONES back when the studio had never done a 51 episode series before. It's just the Aniplex way. More recently they also produced the Idolmaster TV series, with an animator who has never directed before at the helm. They definitely try to look for the right people on each project, and when it works, it works really well. Their producers like to take risks and they have a lot of money at their command.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Hey, sex is just a part of life!
The way AKB0048 merges 2D and CG animation is quite seamless:
I can't even tell which is which!
The one in white is supposed to be the one in orange? Because that's not a different color, that's a different outfit. And hair style. And hair color.
No I meant how Shirou is characterized in the anime. As a whole it's unbelievably so what with
rider looking like a big titted fuckdoll, saber staying in the kitchen, caster being inept without some dick around, etc. aside from Berserker, every Servant gives off the feeling of being an idealized sexual partner.
Jex
Member
Sometimes you just have a guy in one studio making CG animation and a guy in another making 2D animation and then you splice the two together without looking at either.
Two outta three ain't bad at all.
A Black Falcon
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This is true, but do you have proof that Kagami is one of them? Otherwise I'll go with my original interpretation.
I don't know who that guy is by name, I was just thinking of an American guy in a movie dressed as a Japanese schoolgirl...
You know, I think you're onto something there, with that last thought
about the Servants all being idealized sexual partners
As for Shirou, though, sexism is usually a deeply held thing, so sure, for him it might be instinctive, though as I said, you'd think that even a very sexist person would be able to figure out what Servants can do. So overall, I'm not so sure. What is for sure is that he's a complete idiot.
You're right that that's completely inconsistent, but the show's too good for me to care too much about errors like that. Certainly though, they should have caught that.[AKB0048] - 9
I am completely astounded. Against everyone's better judgement there's a shot where they have 2D girls and CG girls standing together in the same frame. The result is...repulsive but it has a consequence beyond that as well.
In a brief dancing sequence we see this shot:
and then this shot straight after:
No one ever bothered to check that the colour of her clothing isn't consistent at all.
Maybe she changed instantly because of...MAGIC.
No probably not. But this is the terrible show we all hoped for and wanted, so we're all happy.
Nintendo giveth. Nintendo taketh away.Bu...bububu...Nintendo is the whole reason I'm in this mess to begin with
Well I suppose from a computer science perspective he should have used ==. From a logic point of view it would be A → A.
And are you lot questioning the power of idols? For all you know they can switch their outfits on the fly. Their flying platforms don't allow them to go off stage to change costume between numbers so they've developed the ability to literally shed their clothes.
Exactly man. MAGIC!!! IDORU POWER
Jex
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[AKB0048] - 9
They need bread and basic supplies - AKB0048 bring them music. How helpful.
This episode was actually pretty good, it certainly hit all the notes that I wanted to see hit. I still don't have any idea how the DES are halted in their attack of a stationary concert by a handful of unarmed little girls though...none of their tactics make any sense.
I always find it funny that every 'world' seems to consist of only one major city.
They need bread and basic supplies - AKB0048 bring them music. How helpful.
This episode was actually pretty good, it certainly hit all the notes that I wanted to see hit. I still don't have any idea how the DES are halted in their attack of a stationary concert by a handful of unarmed little girls though...none of their tactics make any sense.
I always find it funny that every 'world' seems to consist of only one major city.
They did. That's why Madoka has animation.Why can't they give Shinbo some of that money
Jex
Member
I see someone is easily swayed.
thats how Kino's journey explored "{countries". Kino always just went to one city that represented the way the country operated. It worked out well for that series. Theres really not a better way to do it in a short series.
Also, is anyone still watching Sengoku Collection?? Isnt that supposed to go on for another cour?
Train of Midnight
Banned
Dusk Maiden of Amnesia - 11
Is 12 going to make me cry? It is, isn't it...
You son of a bitch.
Is 12 going to make me cry? It is, isn't it...
You son of a bitch.
Oh you'll cry. They all cry.
You must not have been reading the right shoujo manga.
http://blog.livedoor.jp/kinisoku/archives/3194759.html (NSFW)
It's been an ongoing topic that boys' comics are heavily restricted in what kind of sexual expression they can show, yet girls' comics can seemingly do whatever they want.
I've heard it's actually has been toned down a bit in recent years after getting a lot of attention, but there was a point when Shougakukan's shoujo manga magazine Sho-Comi was being referred to jokingly as "性コミ" -- which is still pronounced "sho-comi," but with kanji that make it mean "sex comics."
I meant it as a humorous observation, but it's an accurate one.
I watched all of the original Saki and E7, and now I'm enjoying Achiga-hen, but dropped E7AO around episode 8.
A Black Falcon
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I didn't know that things had changed in recent years, but apart from that, you're right, shoujo was the genre with a lot more sexuality in it for sure.You must not have been reading the right shoujo manga.
http://blog.livedoor.jp/kinisoku/archives/3194759.html (NSFW)
It's been an ongoing topic that boys' comics are heavily restricted in what kind of sexual expression they can show, yet girls' comics can seemingly do whatever they want.
I've heard it's actually has been toned down a bit in recent years after getting a lot of attention, but there was a point when Shougakukan's shoujo manga magazine Sho-Comi was being referred to jokingly as "性コミ" -- which is still pronounced "sho-comi," but with kanji that make it mean "sex comics."
You see, firehawk? I was right.
You're missing my point that the two shows are entirely different and the comparison is almost entirely wrong.
Hah, that'd be an explanation for it, I guess. I doubt it is, but you never know...
You must not have been reading the right shoujo manga.
http://blog.livedoor.jp/kinisoku/archives/3194759.html (NSFW)
It's been an ongoing topic that boys' comics are heavily restricted in what kind of sexual expression they can show, yet girls' comics can seemingly do whatever they want.
I've heard it's actually has been toned down a bit in recent years after getting a lot of attention, but there was a point when Shougakukan's shoujo manga magazine Sho-Comi was being referred to jokingly as "性コミ" -- which is still pronounced "sho-comi," but with kanji that make it mean "sex comics."
I meant it as a humorous observation, but it's an accurate one.
I watched all of the original Saki and E7, and now I'm enjoying Achiga-hen, but dropped E7AO around episode 8.
I keep seeing that Nyaruko nenderoid. Its calling to me. hnngh hnngh moetulu ahoge fhtagn
The latter, yeah, haha. Thanks for catching that, I've edited the post to reflect it.You mean that it did come with faults, right? Or that it didn't come without faults?
Essentially when the animators skimp on the look of the characters as a shortcut for whatever reason, budgetary or time. Re-l's off-model moments were really sporadic. This medium shot of Re-l and Pino isn't the best example but you can certainly see that some detail is missing from Re-l's nose, the lower structure of her face is a bit unusual. It doesn't look entirely like Re-l but gives the viewer enough semblance to make the deduction that it is. TVTropes does a better job at explaining off-model than I do.
I agree with this. It does seem like the show that would benefit from a rewatch.
I must have been the only one who
laughed at the end of Dusk Maiden when the OP kicked in after Yuuko spoke. (edit) It seemed so wildly inappropriate.
I didn't because I was dedicating all my concentration to being impressed by that scene with the insert song.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Damn son. That definitely wasn't in Kimi ni Todoke. lolYou must not have been reading the right shoujo manga.
http://blog.livedoor.jp/kinisoku/archives/3194759.html (NSFW)
It's been an ongoing topic that boys' comics are heavily restricted in what kind of sexual expression they can show, yet girls' comics can seemingly do whatever they want.
I've heard it's actually has been toned down a bit in recent years after getting a lot of attention, but there was a point when Shougakukan's shoujo manga magazine Sho-Comi was being referred to jokingly as "性コミ" -- which is still pronounced "sho-comi," but with kanji that make it mean "sex comics."
That paper gave the impression that girls liked the "concept" of sex as opposed to the actual act of it I suppose, which I guess begs the question of why it's not reflected in the anime.
(Beyond the simple reason that 99% of anime is made for otaku manbabies, I mean).
I mean, I don't mind idealized romances - since I am a fan of KnT after all - but if you make a manga about people who swap spit with each other but don't otherwise do anything, it just seems weird.
Maybe Junichi sucking on the back of Morishima's knee and implied hotel sex is the best they can do without getting too lurid or scaring the otaku away. lol
Hmm... I see how it is... lol
Imagine a giant green guy in a school girl uniform playing MJ!I don't know who that guy is by name, I was just thinking of an American guy in a movie dressed as a Japanese schoolgirl...
Catching up on Fujikoike and man did episode 9 suck. Don't know what to think about 10, it's all pretty messed up.
I'm actually looking forward to hearing the ED every episode, and that's about it lol.
There's actually a video for it, I like it.
I'm actually looking forward to hearing the ED every episode, and that's about it lol.
There's actually a video for it, I like it.
This season's best ED, without a doubt.
AKB0048 is an RPG.
High five!
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