Yeah. One of the artists recently did a presentation a Gnomon showing how the concept art gets created out of 3d models.
Star Citizen Pre-Alpha: 'Arena Commander' Dogfighting
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Yeah. One of the artists recently did a presentation a Gnomon showing how the concept art gets created out of 3d models.
Anton Sugar
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Star Citizen 2.0 (baby PU/crusader system) is due before end of year. Chris Roberts' brother just said it might be a few weeks away. (cross fingers for late november release, with Star Marine launching in january).
Dictator93
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Shiiiiit, where did erin say that?
Wait...looking for it...I saw it this morning...
Here, this interview: http://radio.starcitizenbase.com/the-base-at-citizencon-a-discussion-with-erin-roberts/
11:20 (start at like 10:30 for context) "...Just what we're going to give them in the next few weeks...they're gonna live in it...with their friends..."
Dictator93
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All I know is the AC and the game needs a massive update. AC and the build we have now is basically the build before the 6 month fork. It is missing so much in terms of tech, smoothness, animations, QOL, etc.
I mean, half the time when I fire a missile it takes about 7 secs for it to actually launch... and when it hits, it does not even have an explosion.
I mean, half the time when I fire a missile it takes about 7 secs for it to actually launch... and when it hits, it does not even have an explosion.
In terms of completion it probably looks soon, but things can always happen on the way. The realist in me is thinking that it will break in spectacular ways before going live for real.
Exactly why I'm waiting for S42 to really take the plunge. Until then I'm content to live vicariously. Although resisting flying in the baby PU won't be easy.
I think Star Citizen 2.0 includes Star Marine doesn't it?
Dictator93
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Ben clarified this. The Bably PU, Alpha 2.0, etc... whatever you wanna call it contains Star Marine elements, guns, FPS stuff that is integrated so far (minus jukes and all the nice animations though) but does not have star marine. Star marine is the original systems arena FPS mode.
So whatever FPS you engage in while playing the alpha 2.0 will probably look really janky. Star Marine will probably the polished non-janky thing that comes out later.
No standalone parts like Gold Horizon. Nor any of the movement and combat improvements they're implementing for SM.
Sadly not, Ben posted on the forums saying 2.0 is coming first, then Star Marine soon after.
Irobot82
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Ok, does Baby PU contain Multi-crew ships?
I believe they said it would. Probably just Constellation, Freelancer, Cutlass and Retaliator initially.
Constellation, Retaliator, and Cutlass (functionality anyway) have been confirmed, Freelancer...I wouldn't hold your breath.
Zalusithix
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Created a ship map in the roster sheet. Kind of acts as a spacial visualization of the breakdown of the different manufacturers and ships that we have. Similar ships are lumped together, but if you click on the series, it'll bring up the the breakdown of the individual models.
Edit: I should probably mention that right clicking brings you back up level after diving into a category.
Edit 2: And if you're too lazy to bring up the roster, here's a cap of the top level giving a general idea of what we know right now.
Edit: I should probably mention that right clicking brings you back up level after diving into a category.
Edit 2: And if you're too lazy to bring up the roster, here's a cap of the top level giving a general idea of what we know right now.
Dictator93
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You guys are forgetting the super hornet and gladiator! 
Multicrew!
Multicrew!Pronounced baby pee-yew, which isn't much better I suppose
Ohh I expect it to be quite broken in many ways when it arrives. In fact I'm hoping its a fucking mess. The PU is going to be the foundation and I personally think early access does build a better sandbox experience. It'll also tangentially help SQ42 which needs to stay under wraps for a bit longer.
I worry that too many people would be frustrated in the beginning but I honestly believe the end result would be better for it.
Is the Freelancer still in retooling hell? I guess I haven't heard anything about it in a long while, come to think of it...
You guys are forgetting the super hornet and gladiator!
Oh, right, those too =P
Zalusithix
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Just wait for when people have the ability to name their ships.
Okay, I have been on vacation for 5 days so I am just catching up on everything.
AMAZING! The speech was great. The animations are great. Actors are great.
But the map! THE MAP!
LET ME LOAD A SHIP WITH CARGO AND GO!
I could look at this all day.
Also, to the haters:
I would buy this gamer to interact with these actors alone. Honestly, if it was super janky and weird it might only make it better and humorous. Like having fun with old school characters in Goldeneye. (STILL A GAME GUYS, not real life)
Also Also, to those always comparing the game to Elite... Stawwwp. I love Elite as well. There is plenty of room for different space sims and experiences.
AMAZING! The speech was great. The animations are great. Actors are great.
But the map! THE MAP!
LET ME LOAD A SHIP WITH CARGO AND GO!
I could look at this all day.
Also, to the haters:
I would buy this gamer to interact with these actors alone. Honestly, if it was super janky and weird it might only make it better and humorous. Like having fun with old school characters in Goldeneye. (STILL A GAME GUYS, not real life)
Also Also, to those always comparing the game to Elite... Stawwwp. I love Elite as well. There is plenty of room for different space sims and experiences.
Dictator93
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Isn't F42 UK working on it?
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Iced_Eagle
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Hope but don't expect.
Yes, that's sensible. I really want to just fly around in a large area, even if it's really basic content-wise. It's basically going to be our first look at what Star Citizen really is.
Sean Tracy responds to criticisms of Gary Oldman's face in Bishop Speech (and Morrow tour).
Basically, he worked on Ryse and said that it takes a long time to get each face to the quality that Ryse had (about 1 year to get all the faces in Ryse to their quality), whereas CIG has only put in 4 months of work so far and only a few weeks specifically for Admiral Bishop.
Which is amazing because it already looks fantastic.
Basically, he worked on Ryse and said that it takes a long time to get each face to the quality that Ryse had (about 1 year to get all the faces in Ryse to their quality), whereas CIG has only put in 4 months of work so far and only a few weeks specifically for Admiral Bishop.
Which is amazing because it already looks fantastic.
Dictator93
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I cannot understand any criticism regarding the facial rigging or shading. The fact that it is in production and looks the way it does is fantastic.
I am not sure what other games people are playing and comparing with... I would really like to see some direct slow motion comparisons of anything anyone thinks is better. Because I scarcely believe anyone is being genuine when they say it looks like playdough, is full-uncanny valley, etc.
I am not sure what other games people are playing and comparing with... I would really like to see some direct slow motion comparisons of anything anyone thinks is better. Because I scarcely believe anyone is being genuine when they say it looks like playdough, is full-uncanny valley, etc.
Dictator93
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Oldman's voice (which was not his normal voice, but some sort of acted voice) or the lip sync?
VisceralBowl
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Yeah for an in-progress thing it looks amazing at this point.
I agree with this. His voice sounded odd to me.
I also think the cinematography wasn't all that great.
I'm also not sure what people have against the Morrow tour. Everything looks fucking great. The whole landing / entrance scene, the deck, etc. considering they had people working on it until the very last minute. It's WIP, actual WIP, not "well, it's a [three months before release] beta, they'll probably fix it before launch", which they almost never do.
High expectations are perfectly fine, given how Chris likes to talk about this stuff, but like ... if people think a crowd funded videogame, however well funded, is going to break the uncanny valley curse, when two hour long movies with infinitely higher budgets [for that one specific aspect] can't do it ... well, think again. Long and hard.
High expectations are perfectly fine, given how Chris likes to talk about this stuff, but like ... if people think a crowd funded videogame, however well funded, is going to break the uncanny valley curse, when two hour long movies with infinitely higher budgets [for that one specific aspect] can't do it ... well, think again. Long and hard.
Sax Russel
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I don't really have anything against what was shown, I was just expecting a lot more of it. I thought we'd get at least a full mission playthrough with combat and flying around, not just walking around a big ship with people talking (sometimes not quite =P) at you.
Not the lip sync. It just sounded like that voice didn't belong with that face. Sounded like he should have looked much older, for one thing.
The voice really grew on me after a couple of rewatches. I'd be disappointed if he sounded different in the final game now, haha. It's certainly a distinct voice. I mean, that's how Oldman sounds like and he's 57. Though I suppose he could do with a bit of grey hair. 
Yeah, I get that. I guess I'm just really hyped that we're finally getting a proper space game. With actual space, not another Mass Effect. I see the ships in the cutscene and I get excited because I know it could be me piloting them. It still feels like a dream sometimes. I was quite certain we'd never see another big budget space sim.
Yeah, I get that. I guess I'm just really hyped that we're finally getting a proper space game. With actual space, not another Mass Effect. I see the ships in the cutscene and I get excited because I know it could be me piloting them. It still feels like a dream sometimes. I was quite certain we'd never see another big budget space sim.
Anton Sugar
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Well, glad it wasn't just me. I don't really have any doubt that they'll nail it in the end, though.
Dictator93
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I still think it is just the camera work! ;D
The benefit that doing it real time in engine means it going to be so easy to fix these kinds of things. Quickly too.
Dubbedinenglish
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The current face still looks like Jeff Bridges to me.
Anton Sugar
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True, I was thinking that something about that angle was unflattering or just made him look weird. Either way, I'm glad they acknowledged the criticism.
I really do hope they get the input of some actual industry cinematographers and editors when creating their cinematics, if they haven't already (dat Serkis connection).
Dictator93
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There are only a handful of "real time" cutscenes in Ryse. As the game starts on the bridge of rome, entering the chamber with nero, crossing the bridge in britania. They still have the same quality facial animation as the "pre-rendered" scenes though.
The rest are pre-rendered scenes rendered out of cinebox (apparently with 2X SSAA according to Crytek presentations). The assets and animations in them are totally doable in real time though for the most part... though they may add many more light sources and some techniques which would grind real time performance down: way more hand placed shadow casting lights, mirror reflections, etc... (those would grind CE down to a halt in RT).
Though! What I think he is more so alluding to is that they had months to perfect scene lighting and camera work...
You're projecting. Watched Tron recently?
um, that Roberts connection? Some of the staff has worked on movies.
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