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[Spire]

Dear god, the loot whoring fallout from this decision is going to be horrendous.

"But you wear Medium armor...."

"Today I do! Tomorrow I'm switching to Guardian and I'll need the Heavy."

Not really. That's not an issue that wouldn't arise anyway (Can I have that for my dps set?) and it's something the MMO community has already hashed out. Roll for your current spec or call what you'll be rolling on when the dungeon starts. It's pretty simple.

 

[HarryDemeanor]

Not really. That's not an issue that wouldn't arise anyway (Can I have that for my dps set?) and it's something the MMO community has already hashed out. Roll for your current spec or call what you'll be rolling on when the dungeon starts. It's pretty simple.

Yeah, this will take care of that.

 

[piratepwnsninja]

You know, it'd be cool is the "cost" associated with switching was actually doing a fairly lengthy quest chain to switch, kind of like the betrayal quests in EQ2.

 

[Giolon]

Ever play WoW with a hunter in the raid. *glares at my wife*

It's going to be like that only worse.

Not really. That's not an issue that wouldn't arise anyway (Can I have that for my dps set?) and it's something the MMO community has already hashed out. Roll for your current spec or call what you'll be rolling on when the dungeon starts. It's pretty simple.

I'd be willing to bet money it becomes an issue - especially in the earlier days. Remember "Everything's a Hunter weapon!"?

 

[LowParry]

Cake and PvP. They do mix. And it is very very delicious. bison.gif

 

[Mago]

New video on beta cake showing a PVP warzone. Combat looks great at least. Also the sound is fantastic imo.

Edit: Beaten!

 

[Spire]

I'd be willing to bet money it becomes an issue - especially in the earlier days. Remember "Everything's a Hunter weapon!"?

Ninja assholes will always exist, being able to respec won't change that. If you're that worried, just put it on master looter.

 

[Takeda Kenshi]

1. Respec'ing your AC is fucking STUPID

I too am very disappointed with this move. Choosing your AC should fucking mean something, instead of 'HEY REMEMBER HOW I SPENT MY ENTIRE CAREER AS A SNIPER? *POOF* NOW I'M AN OPERATIVE LOLOL'

Horrible.

 

[outsidah]

I didn't see these questions addressed in the OP so if you all would indulge me:

- When does early access start?

- Do we still not know the monthly fee?

 

[Emitan]

I didn't see these questions addressed in the OP so if you all would indulge me:

- When does early access start?

- Do we still not know the monthly fee?

1) Not entirely sure but it's about a week before the game launches
2) Probably $15 but we don't know

 

[flyinpiranha]

Limit your ability to roll on gear that only can suit the class you are using at the time. And make it so you can't switch really quick before the loot comes up. I don't see a problem here.

I like this change. I will go through a couple classes by the time I'm done with the game from 1-XX but I like be able to try something new without having to do a grind of the same thing.

 

[outsidah]

1) Not entirely sure but it's about a week before the game launches
2) Probably $15 but we don't know

Thank you

 

[gatti-man]

I could see the hardcore being pissed about respecs but as a casual player its music to my ears.

 

[mcfrank]

If people thought that a decision you make at level 10 was going to be permenant then they were crazy.

 

[Gvaz]

Not really. That's not an issue that wouldn't arise anyway (Can I have that for my dps set?) and it's something the MMO community has already hashed out. Roll for your current spec or call what you'll be rolling on when the dungeon starts. It's pretty simple.

I'm sure everyone will play like this *eyes roll out of head*

 

[Spire]

I'm sure everyone will play like this *eyes roll out of head*

Most people do, and those that don't get kicked. Honestly when I play with my friends we just kick anyone with a shitty attitude immediately, after awhile you have no patience for that kind of shit. This is practically impossible to do in WoW since everyone has a shitty attitude and that games community is so horrid, but in every other MMO it's not hard to find a good replacement. Every once in a blue moon you'll run into a ninja (if we didn't have master looter on for some reason) but like I said, that's going to happen regardless of the respec situation.

 

[kyo_daikun]

I'm sure everyone will play like this *eyes roll out of head*

It's why I always do the raids and stuff with guild members, even then problems arise and people get bitter, I just view it as virtual stuff that you will have plenty of opportunity at getting.

 

[gatti-man]

It's why I always do the raids and stuff with guild members, even then problems arise and people get bitter, I just view it as virtual stuff that you will have plenty of opportunity at getting.

Exactly. If you aren't having fun why are you playing?

 

[CaLe]

Just a heads-up:

I'm from Canada and I received my Digital Deluxe edition pre-order key just a few minutes ago.

I was previously told last night, when I pre-ordered, that my order might not be processed. Guess that was a false alarm.

 

[Gvaz]

Guilds are good if they're:

1. stamp out shit like "lol i ned dat 4 my twink, plz"
2. have people that LISTEN when told to move the fuck out of the fire and pay attention and not afraid to kick from the raid when someone is a piece of shit
3. don't have councils (enforces elitism and those who just end up getting off on ruling others. "you don't belong to our "clique" in the guild, so you're less than shit"
3. don't have DKP. That shit is retarded. If you're in the raid, and you're new and there's an old guy who needs that one piece of gear and it drops, it doesn't matter if you could use it, it's going to the old guy, period, end of story. Use judgement instead of an arbitrary point value system.

I mean I like playing around, and fucking around in raid is fine as long as it doesn't wipe everyone (doing hard modes or whatever) either on vent or guild chat, just all being ironic. But in pubbie groups they're fucking awful, and rarely do you get lucky with people who:

1. know what they're doing
2. know what's expected of them
3. don't have someone acting entitled (you're here and you either do your part to benefit us all or you get nothing, because we're expected to do our part to benefit YOU as well. It's all equal footing so no, you don't get preferential treatment)

 

[kyo_daikun]

Exactly. If you aren't having fun why are you playing?

Yeah, paying a sub to rage when a random roll doesn't go in my favor is certainly not my idea of fun, playing with a good group of likeminded people is.

Im sure it will all be a moot point anyway as there will be more than enough gaffers in the guild for us to always fill operations.

 

[JohnTuk]

Just a heads-up:

I'm from Canada and I received my Digital Deluxe edition pre-order key just a few minutes ago.

I was previously told last night, when I pre-ordered, that my order might not be processed. Guess that was a false alarm.

Same here.

 

[Lesath]

I'm sure everyone will play like this *eyes roll out of head*

Honestly, most people will. I've PUG'd more times in WoW than I can count, for raids and for dungeons. You have your idiots, but organized PUG raids usually have a decent master loot system, and in dungeons, people are more interested in excelling in the role they have chosen.

 

[Gvaz]

When I played wow, Goon Squad had its own faults, but it really ends up being hte best guild I've ever been in.

pros:

Tons of people, tons of alts, easy to get a group started for almost anything. Want to do a raid? Post in guild chat right then and there and easily get 10 people for a pvp raid, sometimes even 25 fairly easily. Even with a raid full of alts or first timers, there'd be enough vets to help everyone else out. Everyone is forced to use vent since there was a dedicated vent with tons of channels. guild spam (ascii images) was humorous at times.

cons:

some spiteful users, guild spam gets obnoxious sometimes especially when guild achievements hit because everyone on at the time would post theirs at once (100+ people easily posting ascii macros makes guild chat seem like Livestream on a developer QA session) though it usually ended up being muted soon after, lazy lazy lazy players. Would have to bitch and moan even those just sitting around idling to help with the most menial of quests or whathaveyou at times. Raiding hard modes with normal users was pretty much hit or miss. If you weren't in "tier 1" raids, you'd be lucky if you cleared 2 HM bosses in a night. Tier 1 would of course clear 80% of the hard modes every week usually on the first attempt then go to bed.

If I started up wow again, I'd go back there without hesitation though. But wow for me is not really that interesting. I'd just want to finish leveling my shaman and my mage to 85 and ignore my paladin and dk.

I hope that the TOR GAF guild will be good, and that this game wont devolve into typical mmo failure but it's too early to tell.

 

[Ashodin]

I really think SWTOR's guilds will be amazing with a small tight-knit group. If you can get a group of friends to roll every night or whatever you'll be pretty amazing.

 

[antonz]

Amazon updated their page for the Collectors Edition too. They did indeed sell out and not just an early cut off

Due to overwhelming demand, we have unfortunately run out of our allocation for Star Wars: The Old Republic Collector's Bundle. We are looking to secure more allocation from the publisher and will update this page when that occurs. Thank you for your patience. May the Force be with you.

 

[Trickster]

Guilds are good if they're:


3. don't have councils (enforces elitism and those who just end up getting off on ruling others. "you don't belong to our "clique" in the guild, so you're less than shit"
3. don't have DKP. That shit is retarded. If you're in the raid, and you're new and there's an old guy who needs that one piece of gear and it drops, it doesn't matter if you could use it, it's going to the old guy, period, end of story. Use judgement instead of an arbitrary point value system.

Hope this is a joke. Because the bolded is pretty much exactly what the loot council system is..

DKP does nothing but add unbiased fairness

 

[CoilShot]

Amazon updated their page for the Collectors Edition too. They did indeed sell out and not just an early cut off

Glad I got mine from them

 

[Jira]

The most logical and fair way to handle loot IMO is the following:

1. Does the person in question need the loot more than others?

2. Will this person be coming back to do content with you so that it benefits everyone in your guild?

If the answer to those questions are "yes", then give that person the gear. Actually, I've witnessed a lot of cases where even though what I stated above is the case, it doesn't make much of a difference if that person continues to fail at their assigned role and hinders the group. No amount of gear can make up for a bad player. Hmm, I know what I wrote just contradicted itself, but it's a very conflicting topic that I'm sure others have thought about as well. Do you give the gear to the guy who knows his stuff or to the guy who isn't so good, but needs better stats in hopes that that somehow makes him a better player?

 

[Jarmel]

Amazon updated their page for the Collectors Edition too. They did indeed sell out and not just an early cut off

Damn never seen that before.

 

[Lesath]

Loot is a matter of economics; there is no optimal solution, and someone is always dissatisfied. Therefore, the best loot system is the one your guild is happy with.

I can't exactly vouch for the safety of the link, but it's the only place where I can find a copy of this excellent analysis.

 

[Rflagg]

Amazon updated their page for the Collectors Edition too. They did indeed sell out and not just an early cut off

In the end I just couldn't justify it, and went with the peasant edition.

 

[Jarmel]

In the end I just couldn't justify it, and went with the peasant edition.

What I imagine the storekeeper looks like:

 

[Trickster]

The most logical and fair way to handle loot IMO is the following:

1. Does the person in question need the loot more than others?

2. Will this person be coming back to do content with you so that it benefits everyone in your guild?

If the answer to those questions are "yes", then give that person the gear. Actually, I've witnessed a lot of cases where even though what I stated above is the case, it doesn't make much of a difference if that person continues to fail at their assigned role and hinders the group. No amount of gear can make up for a bad player. Hmm, I know what I wrote just contradicted itself, but it's a very conflicting topic that I'm sure others have thought about as well. Do you give the gear to the guy who knows his stuff or to the guy who isn't so good, but needs better stats in hopes that that somehow makes him a better player?

It's not really fair to anyone but the guild as a single entity.

This system doesn't take several factors into consideration. First of all, the person that is gonna benefit the most from whatever items is being looted might have lower attendance than someone else in the group/raid. Should he really have higher prio on an item because he's gear is worse than others when he doesn't participate in as many group/raid events?

What about the guy that used gold/credit to buy mats for a great craftable item, while the other one didn't. Should the clearly more dedicated player get screwed over because he's more dedicated to getting the best possible gear asap?

I'll say it again. A well thought out DKP system is the best option, as it offers an unbiased way of distributing loot.

 

[Gvaz]

Amazon updated their page for the Collectors Edition too. They did indeed sell out and not just an early cut off

I lol'd at the last part there.

Hope this is a joke. Because the bolded is pretty much exactly what the loot council system is..

DKP does nothing but add unbiased fairness

Gating sucks though.

 

[Gvaz]

double post oops

 

[Ashodin]

Considering how fast Amazon and Origin sold out of the CE, can we expect physical pre-orders of SWTOR CE at GameStop to be done with in a matter of days?

 

[antonz]

Considering how fast Amazon and Origin sold out of the CE, can we expect physical pre-orders of SWTOR CE at GameStop to be done with in a matter of days?

Probably. Im guessing 50K-100K max produced CE is a realistic amount. Gentle Giant Statue is porbably a reason why EA is unlikely to make more so Amazon may not get any excess stock

 

[Jarmel]

Probably. Im guessing 50K-100K max produced CE is a realistic amount. Gentle Giant Statue is porbably a reason why EA is unlikely to make more so Amazon may not get any excess stock

I'm sure EA can request to produce more.

 

[antonz]

I'm sure EA can request to produce more.

It becomes a dangerous game of hurting the products value. I think Cataclysm is the first CE for WoW that hasnt sold out. I can still walk into stores and buy it if I wanted too. Lich King was gone day 1.

 

[Trickster]

Gating sucks though.

I don't know what you're trying to say, at all. So mission accomplished if that's what you're going for.

 

[Gaston]

Well I'm preordered. I can't wait any longer!! =[

 

[MaddenNFL64]

Fuck, I don't want AC respec. It better be FUCKING super expensive & have a gigantic downtime.

 

[Gvaz]

I don't know what you're trying to say, at all. So mission accomplished if that's what you're going for.

DKP is just a useless gating technique. Maybe it would work better for pubbies who might never come, but it's a terrible feature for guild members.

 

[Jarmel]

It becomes a dangerous game of hurting the products value. I think Cataclysm is the first CE for WoW that hasnt sold out. I can still walk into stores and buy it if I wanted too. Lich King was gone day 1.

Valid point.

I am surprised Gamestop hasn't sold out yet. I'm sure Amazon got a comparable number and they've been down for awhile yet Gamestop is still up and churning.

 

[Jackl]

I think you can buy CE keys for all WoW editions except vanilla straight from blizz.

Vanilla CE keys are(were?) worth a fortune.

Acutally they are on amazon

 

[Last Hearth]

Gentle Giant is horrible at delivering statues on time. I know this as a statue collector, so even if EA order more there is probably not enough time for Gentle Giant to have them ready by launch date. I think what ever number of CE are planned right now is how many there will be, there won't be any more.

 

[Jarmel]

I think you can buy CE keys for all WoW editions except vanilla straight from blizz.

Vanilla CE keys are(were?) worth a fortune.

Acutally they are on amazon

Wow now I'm wondering whether I should order a regular edition in addition to my CE.

 

[Zaptruder]

It's going to be like that only worse.



I'd be willing to bet money it becomes an issue - especially in the earlier days. Remember "Everything's a Hunter weapon!"?

Main spec and off spec are going to be pretty common terms that this community will carry over.

Besides, by the time you get to loot that's worth a damn, you'll be among trusted company anyway.

And if they break the social agreement, they'll just be ostracized by the community - same as it's been for any other MMO - with the same limited degree of effectiveness, that is nonetheless good enough for curbing the behaviour of the vast majority of players.

 

[Rflagg]

What I imagine the storekeeper looks like:

I almost choked on my oj.

Judging by that new cake video, I really like that ingredients take a while to digest, when they dissolve to quickly the mix is more frustrating then fun imo. The stuff shown seems like a traditional grab the other guy's cake, and people seemed more interested in pursing their own slice without thinking how to make sure the whole team got the big cake, to be fair without hearing any mic chatter it is hard to say for sure.

Spoiler

should I just start discuss this in more open terms not sure people can follow the jest of what I liked and disliked, because I did a poor job with it, and plenty of people in the have done so?