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Star Wars: The Old Republic [Releasing Date: Dec 20 NA/EU - NDA Lifted]

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Belfast

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Supert5 said:
So for beta impressions, this game is amazing. As a big wow player i must say this game will revolutionize the single player aspect of mmo's going foward.

If you enjoy questing in wow, you will be blown away with this.

If you enjoy a great rpgs with fantastic focus on story you will be blown away.

If you are a hardcore raider... well i can't say since i haven't gone that far into the game
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Please, let's tone down the hyperbole a little bit.
 
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Emitan

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You haven't seem stupid until you see the guy who one week asked if you needed a mouse to play (he said that he couldn't afford a mouse despite having 2 GTX 580s in SLI) and the next asked if the Razer TOR mouse was required to play the game and if you used a different one you'd get banned from the game.
 
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Yaska

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Billychu said:
You haven't seem stupid until you see the guy who one week asked if you needed a mouse to play (he said that he couldn't afford a mouse despite having 2 GTX 580s in SLI) and the next asked if the Razer TOR mouse was required to play the game and if you used a different one you'd get banned from the game.
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And we all wonder how on earth does he have 2 580s in his computer... and how on earth he actually succeeded to turn it on.
 
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Emitan

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Yaska said:
And we all wonder how on earth does he have 2 580s in his computer... and how on earth he actually succeeded to turn it on.
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Those might not have been his specs, but basically he had a ridiculously expensive computer but said he couldn't afford a $5 mouse.
 
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Gunmonkey36

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Billychu said:
You haven't seem stupid until you see the guy who one week asked if you needed a mouse to play (he said that he couldn't afford a mouse despite having 2 GTX 580s in SLI) and the next asked if the Razer TOR mouse was required to play the game and if you used a different one you'd get banned from the game.
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And that is why this game is going to look like this on launch day: lol
 
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f0rk

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To be fair I don't know of a single good quality 'official' board. Same goes for the biggest gaming websites. If your site is the first one you find it's always going to attract the idiots who won't do a bit more searching.
 
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Spehornoob said:
So, I've just gotten out of WoW and this looks like it might be a decent replacement. Anyone have any impressions of what it's like to tank with an Assassin/Shadow?

Love tanking, and love the style of the double-bladed lightsaber, but I kinda hate Rogue classes. So if Tanking with one involves many Rogue-ish concepts (combos, stealth, etc.), I may have to be a Guardian instead.

Also hoping that this game will help me flesh out my closet-RP side. XD I never actually RP in MMO's (always seemed really lame to me; I ain't no dialogue writer), but I always give thought to my character's personality and how he would react to things. I think it's my theatre-nerd side infringing on my gaming-nerd side.
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Yup, nothing wrong with that. On GAF, you'll find that most people hear "RP" and instantly think, "Oh, you mean cybersex. Gotcha, weirdo," when in reality, that's all it is: finding your own story - outside of the one the game presents - via improvisation.
 
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DimmuBurgerKing said:
Yup, nothing wrong with that. On GAF, you'll find that most people hear "RP" and instantly think, "Oh, you mean cybersex. Gotcha, weirdo," when in reality, that's all it is: finding your own story - outside of the one the game presents - via improvisation.
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Thank you, that is exactly what rp is about for me.
 
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Spehornoob

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DimmuBurgerKing said:
Yup, nothing wrong with that. On GAF, you'll find that most people hear "RP" and instantly think, "Oh, you mean cybersex. Gotcha, weirdo," when in reality, that's all it is: finding your own story - outside of the one the game presents - via improvisation.
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Exactly. It's a thought and creativity exercise for me, and, while I don't participate in the in-character dialogue and that kind of thing, I love giving thought to it. So the fact that this game is playing up story and developing your character's personality is really cool for me. Guild Wars 2's personality system has me excited too. Guess I just dig that stuff.
 
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EhrgeizVII

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Billychu said:
You haven't seem stupid until you see the guy who one week asked if you needed a mouse to play (he said that he couldn't afford a mouse despite having 2 GTX 580s in SLI) and the next asked if the Razer TOR mouse was required to play the game and if you used a different one you'd get banned from the game.
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Lol that's obviously some lame attempt at trolling. Can't believe anyone would fall for that.
 
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eastmen

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Dakota47 said:
God, the sheer stupidity of most members on the official forums makes me fear the community of this game. Threads like this one or this one make my forehead hurt from constantly facepalming.
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Well its a valid question , why should raiders get the best loot ? I'm more of a crafter than a raider but if I devote the same amount of time as a raider does to get his awsome leet loot shouldn't I be making that awsome leet loot too ?
 
Hawk269

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ciaossu said:
Playing KoTOR 1 to get hype

I'm hype!
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lol. I am doing the same. I never finished the game back in the day and with SWTOR coming out I got in the mood to play it again..so far loving it as I remembered and I wish this was one of the games that would get a HD Makeover.
 
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eastmen said:
Well its a valid question , why should raiders get the best loot ? I'm more of a crafter than a raider but if I devote the same amount of time as a raider does to get his awsome leet loot shouldn't I be making that awsome leet loot too ?
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It's not only a matter of time invested, but the challenge as well. Unless crafting is going to be significantly different than other recent games, you're just going to be running around clicking on nodes and killing a lot of weak mobs to gather components.

Also, why bother raiding if you can just craft the best loot? There needs to be a carrot to get people to continue to play end-game content.
 
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Emitan

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EhrgeizVII said:
Lol that's obviously some lame attempt at trolling. Can't believe anyone would fall for that.
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I report his threads whenever I see them and they get deleted quickly. But some little part of my brain believes that he's actually this stupid.
 
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ampere

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Hawk269 said:
lol. I am doing the same. I never finished the game back in the day and with SWTOR coming out I got in the mood to play it again..so far loving it as I remembered and I wish this was one of the games that would get a HD Makeover.
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When it was coming out and I heard it was 'turn based' I got worried, but I ended up really loving it. Even if SWTOR is just KoTOR 3 during the leveling experience, I'll still have a lot of fun :)

2 was unfortunately so buggy that I wasn't able to finish it :/
 
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Belfast

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Rizzo said:
It's not only a matter of time invested, but the challenge as well. Unless crafting is going to be significantly different than other recent games, you're just going to be running around clicking on nodes and killing a lot of weak mobs to gather components.

Also, why bother raiding if you can just craft the best loot? There needs to be a carrot to get people to continue to play end-game content.
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Just as well, why do you need better loot if you don't intend on tackling the most challenging content in the game? Looks are one thing, granted, but in terms of better stats, there usually isn't anything that much more demanding to require them at level cap unless you want to raid.
 
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eastmen

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Rizzo said:
It's not only a matter of time invested, but the challenge as well. Unless crafting is going to be significantly different than other recent games, you're just going to be running around clicking on nodes and killing a lot of weak mobs to gather components.

Also, why bother raiding if you can just craft the best loot? There needs to be a carrot to get people to continue to play end-game content.
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Why bother doing anything if something else gets the best stuff ?


Raids aren't very hard esp once someone completes it and people get the best stratiges out there. Crafting can be hard and with extremely rare blue prints and extremely rare components crafting should get epic items also.

In fact if getting the epic blue prints and components are really hard to get and a much bigger time sink than raiding , not only should it be just as good it should get you even better items than raiding
 
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Rizzo

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eastmen said:
Why bother doing anything if something else gets the best stuff ?
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Err... What? If their achievements are greater than yours, they deserve the reward that comes with it.

Raids aren't very hard esp once someone completes it and people get the best stratiges out there.
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It's still a step (or quite a few) above going to a site to find a recipe and where/how to obtain all the components.

...crafting should get epic items also.
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Definitely, but crafted epics should be used as a way to help ease your entry into raiding and not completely negate the need to raid for the best gear.

In fact if getting the epic blue prints and components are really hard to get and a much bigger time sink than raiding , not only should it be just as good it should get you even better items than raiding
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This all depends on if crafting is actually challenging... Have we any indication of that being the case? If it's just a matter of looting a few items from world locations and solo-able mobs, the craftable loot should not compare.

If they somehow manage to make crafting more difficult than their hardest raids, sure, then I can see the crafted gear being better. I really, really doubt that's going to be the case though.
 
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eastmen

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Rizzo said:
Err... What? If their achievements are greater than yours, they deserve the reward that comes with it.
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But how do you tell what achivements are greater ? Is doing a raid that everyone else has done a greater achivement than finding a rare blue print and rare build supplys and making a perfect item ?


It's still a step (or quite a few) above going to a site to find a recipe and where/how to obtain all the components
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Well 1) Read up on the game , thats not how crafting works in SWTOR . Secondly I don't see the diffrence between the two.

Going to a web site for a step by step guide to making an item or a step by step guide to betting a raid isn't much diffrence.



Definitely, but crafted epics should be used as a way to help ease your entry into raiding and not completely negate the need to raid for the best gear.
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Mabye raiding should help ease your entry into crafting and crafting should give the best gear ? After all raiding becomes paint by numbers after a raid has been out long enough


This all depends on if crafting is actually challenging... Have we any indication of that being the case? If it's just a matter of looting a few items from world locations and solo-able mobs, the craftable loot should not compare.
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This isn't how crafting works. Your compainons do everything. You send them out and they have chances to come back with blue prints and the blue prints vary in quality , you send them out for components and they vary in quality and you send them to build things and they vary in quality . Keeping compainons happy is a key part along with making sure you have the right companions out in the world and with you for leveling.

Besides shouldn't raiding be challenging if its going to give the best loot ?

If they somehow manage to make crafting more difficult than their hardest raids, sure, then I can see the crafted gear being better. I really, really doubt that's going to be the case though.
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Crafting gear should allways have a chance of being the highest quality in the game , otherwise why have crafting. Its not like raiding is hard.
 
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Belfast

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Even with a step-by-step guide, raiding is about execution. Crafting is about sorting through menus. In most MMORPGs I've played, the best crafting recipes actually drop off of bosses or can otherwise be found IN raid instances, along with the materials needed to make them. And generally, recipes are not *that* rare, certainly not rare enough to make crafting take more time/effort than raiding.

You'd have to do a complete overhaul of the way crafting systems are typically implemented in modern MMORPGs to make them compelling enough to compete with the investment that raiding requires (and the prizes it awards).
 
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eastmen

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Belfast said:
Even with a step-by-step guide, raiding is about execution. Crafting is about sorting through menus. In most MMORPGs I've played, the best crafting recipes actually drop off of bosses or can otherwise be found IN raid instances, along with the materials needed to make them. And generally, recipes are not *that* rare, certainly not rare enough to make crafting take more time/effort than raiding.

You'd have to do a complete overhaul of the way crafting systems are typically implemented in modern MMORPGs to make them compelling enough to compete with the investment that raiding requires (and the prizes it awards).
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TOR is doing that. You should read up
 
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Moaradin

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Pre-ordered collectors edition. Got in beta. Still pre-ordering collectors edition. Definitely the most fully fleshed out beta I've ever had a chance to play.
 
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