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Star Wars: The Old Republic [Releasing Date: Dec 20 NA/EU - NDA Lifted]
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I do think gaf has some of the best people on the internet, some bad apples as well after all it is the internet, but I am pretty most avoid the official boards.syoaran said:
Edit: pretty discouraging last page I will endeavor to find some more opinions on the state of the game. I doubt very much that it would fail being worth the price, but I was hoping to play this for a a few years.
Retail-GAF question: On the ToR website, it says a list of physical retailers offering preorders; Have any of you managed to get a physical pre-order card from Target, with online early access code?
I've checked 3 stores around me, but there's nothing.
Before you ask why I don't buy online or somewhere else, it's because I have a 15% discount on anything I buy at Target. I will get my copy there no matter what, and will save my bandwidth by getting a physical copy.
I've checked 3 stores around me, but there's nothing.
Before you ask why I don't buy online or somewhere else, it's because I have a 15% discount on anything I buy at Target. I will get my copy there no matter what, and will save my bandwidth by getting a physical copy.
FieryBalrog said:
I was more saying it is neither the game's greatest achievement nor its greatest failure. Certainly, animation ideally should be as good as possible, but it won't define people's stance on this game either now or when it hits retail. There will be bigger issues at hand as people experience it for themselves.
Moving around and interacting with things in most MMORPGs is pretty bad anyway. As with any game, the software is playing around with numbers and boxes/geometry you can't see, but the gulf between them is larger for something like an MMO than say.... Devil May Cry or a platformer.
How often do you "interact" with, say, a switch or a console and your character just ends up pawing the air in front of them or mashing their hands together like they're squeezing a ball of play-doh from fifteen feet away? Anyway, I'm getting into the deep water for a conversation about a relatively shallow concern here -- is the animation on a purely aesthetical level pleasing or not? -- and the answer to that is that it does the job.
Also, I wouldn't say the combat feels more active just because you don't have an auto-attack, because besides that it plays pretty much like any other typical MMO minus, well, an auto-attack. All the other rules governing combat and user interface generally apply.
FieryBalrog
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That's been a huge problem for a lot of MMOs- at least for me, but I suspect many, many people get turned off by this aspect of MMOs even if they can't articulate the concern in this way.Belfast said:
You look at something like LOTRO for example, the game is theoretically fun and correct and feature complete and all that but just running around fighting stuff feels like crap because of the floaty, disconnected combat and animations. This was an enormous and well-documented problem with WAR too. If there's one thing that WoW gets correct to a T, it's the total and immediate control you have over your avatar.
These beta leaks never really tell me the important stuff about how the game will play, it's just not something that gets reported on much. That's why I generally wait for a friend of mine to buy it or something and just try it out myself. The videos I've seen could go either way.
FieryBalrog said:
I agree. And that's why I have hopes for GW2 and TERA. And I guess smaller scale products like Vindictus are better about this, too.
WoW is pretty good about responsiveness, but it still has a lot of wiggle room for hit detection and things like that. So far, TOR is very sluggish. Not sure if it's my computer or the netcode or the state of the beta, but it takes longer than it should for abilities to "activate" after you press the button, and that's not factoring in cooldowns.
In the end, it's not *quite* annoying enough to prevent me from playing MMOs. I wouldn't mind seeing improvements to the feel of combat and exploration, though.
FieryBalrog
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Yeah, don't get me wrong, there are aspects of WoW's interactivity which suck (primarily interacting with vehicles, as the engine was never designed for it), and there are also some inherent things in MMOs which aren't going away due to latency (like quick-moving melee combat- PvP specially- generally being awful).Belfast said:
That's the kind of thing which I just can't take in a game I'm supposed to play for thousands of hours. One of my friends is buying this at launch though so I will just try it out myself.Belfast said:
AzureNightmare
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I'm still debating whether or not the collector's edition is worth it. The price is so high, yet the items are extremely desirable. Anyone have any opinions either way to sway me?
kyo_daikun
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Belfast said:
Yeah, most of them are visual guff that won't effect how you play, they will probably end up releasig them for everyone later down the line.
AzureNightmare
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My thought though is that the journal and statue could be worth it. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't seem to decide that for myself.
Dinosaur Tamer
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HixxSAFC said:
Small enough for them to not see it as the actual European beta, apparently. That's hardly surprising, though. It's a very small group.
I hope they will indeed change that in the "near future".
kyo_daikun
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CzarTim said:
The only thing that sounds useful is the store merchant thing and the different speeder, no idea how the holo dancer and mouse droid are going to help you much.
BattleMonkey
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AzureNightmare said:
Figure if the statue really sucks I can sell it online and probably get a good price off of it anyways. Despite the mediocre quality of Gentle Giant stuff, it still sells like crazy.
FieryBalrog said:
WAR was the worst in that sense, though they did greatly improve it... heck most of the game has been fixed up nicely in it's current state outside of complete lack of content still and of course.... the game is pretty shit without tons of people playing for the RVR. Still it runs kinda floaty in responsiveness.
LOTRO is a good game, sadly it's visuals and especially the awful animations make it hard for me...... actually its more about how you basically fight wolves, boars, and bears over and over again forever. Keep going back to it since its free but I always feel like something is wrong with it...
Interfectum
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Belfast said:
It depends on rarity, really.
My mini-Diablo from the WoW CE still raises more eyebrows, questions and comments than any other item in the game from what I've seen.
Anasui Kishibe
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AzureNightmare said:
price is too high for what they're offering and besides that, i've never found CEs particularly attractive, they're full of items I will never give a second look at, books I will never read and CDs I will never listen to
BattleMonkey
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Diggler said:
It's not about lethality or utlity of the character, but the responsiveness. In LOTRO there is a floaty lag between pressing an abiilty button and it happening on screen. You don't notice it as much with ranged combat playing a hunter in LOTRO, but you see it alot in close combat in the game where it's much more noticeable, and also close combat animations in LOTRO are awful.
Felix Lighter
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LOTRO is the only MMO I ever played. If that game is an example of poor visuals and bad combat, then my expectations for the genre are probably set pretty low. I really enjoyed what I played of that game but petered out just before I hit level 40.
DimmuBurgerKing
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Felix Lighter said:
Yeah. Never heard any complaints about its visuals before! Even now, I think it has the best landscapes of any MMO released to date, including AoC.
Interfectum
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MedIC86 said:
I love the fact that the murlock space marine and and the zergling will actually fight each other if close. such an awesome easter egg.
BattleMonkey
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DimmuBurgerKing said:
The visual problems are the awful character animations and related to the responsiveness of the character actions in combat. Enemies often fall over dead for example a good bit after you press the button and the animation for an attack completes.
The game has gorgeous landscapes and such going for it, but it's the character stuff that has always lacked in it.
FieryBalrog
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LotRO was pretty ugly. Granted I didn't play for more than an hour, I couldn't take it. Elf starting zone. Everything looked like My Generic Fantasy game, kind of like Dungeon Siege 2.DimmuBurgerKing said:
Maybe there were some awesome vistas later in the game, I don't know.
Livestream of EA's conference at Gamescom. Bioware on now.
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