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Star Wars: The Old Republic [Releasing Date: Dec 20 NA/EU - NDA Lifted]
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Skellig Gra
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10 lightsabers per character.CzarTim said:
BattleMonkey
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Thoraxes said:
If anyone has followed the game in the slightest for the past two years, they would know how this was going to turn out.
Spehornoob
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Personally, I'd kill for an MMO that plays like the Jedi Knight series. Kill. Younglings.
But since that was never what this, I'm pretty okay. Can't wait to check out the raid footage after work.
But since that was never what this, I'm pretty okay. Can't wait to check out the raid footage after work.
Even in a group of three in one of the starting zones for the game I had about 400% more fun than I did playing alone so I for one am pumped for big, difficult grouping sections of the game. I can't wait. I am really hesitant about going further in the beta because I just want to work on my real, retail character already 
BattleMonkey
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Lombax said:
It's standard MMO game, your not getting anything unique out of a MMO raid "mechanic" wise. There might be more variety in what is going on later like what other MMO's have done, but none ever really put in new "mechanics", the core game is not going to change.
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Billychu said:
People nowadays expect the Moon when any new game comes out, particularly MMOs. I for one can't wait to get my hands on this game
again.
EhrgeizVII
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I quite liked that footage. Animations looked better and the mech was awesome. I want more!
Billychu said:
You probably answered your own question there. Those people that have done the 'raid game' several times over the years in other mmo's probably wouldn't be very excited about it.
I don't get why people that are disappointed are getting ribbed. So Bioware/EA touts it as this new awesome story based twist on the mmo genre and then they show (arguably) bland 'been there, done that' raid end game. Then folks retort with "what did you expect"?
I know the star wars fan goggles are strong here, but if this was any other mmo, be it a space/fantasy/military/whatever genre it would probably be criticized as being cliche and boring looking.
FieryBalrog
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I used to get pretty hyped watching ye olde school PvP videos from players like HappyMinti and Zhivago when WoW like launched.CzarTim said:
Raids though do look pretty boring in general.
FieryBalrog
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I think what he means is "EA didn't pour multiple hundreds of millions of dollars into this to risk it on something new".Won said:
Billychu said:
GROUNDBREAKING!
Personally, I keep asking myself, if I had a huge budget, an awesome publisher, a stellar development team, and what would appear to be a nearly endless development cycle, "why would I make a game that's been made before, and then aim for the middle of the road?"
I mean, why have traditional raids at all. If the fanboys are willing to look the other way for boring raids we've all done 10,000 times already and excuse it, they'd be willing to look the other way for something completely different. Wouldn't they?
Because SWG lost and WoW won.Boogdud said:GROUNDBREAKING!
Personally, I keep asking myself, if I had a huge budget, an awesome publisher, a stellar development team, and what would appear to be a nearly endless development cycle, "why would I make a game that's been made before, and then aim for the middle of the road?"
I mean, why have traditional raids at all. If the fanboys are willing to look the other way for boring raids we've all done 10,000 times already and excuse it, they'd be willing to look the other way for something completely different. Wouldn't they?
Interfectum
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Boogdud said:GROUNDBREAKING!
Personally, I keep asking myself, if I had a huge budget, an awesome publisher, a stellar development team, and what would appear to be a nearly endless development cycle, "why would I make a game that's been made before, and then aim for the middle of the road?"
I mean, why have traditional raids at all. If the fanboys are willing to look the other way for boring raids we've all done 10,000 times already and excuse it, they'd be willing to look the other way for something completely different. Wouldn't they?
What's worse is they seem to be copying the WoW from 2-3 years ago vs. the WoW of today (with a more streamlined system). Some of the shit in TOR looks pretty dated from a game mechanics point of view.
BattleMonkey
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Morn said:
Oh please, the EXACT same shit was spouted about RIFT and people defended the hell out of that as being "different", when it wasn't at all. And whose stopping who from criticizing anything? No mods doing anything in here either stopping the countless negative opinions that are going around? Opinions flowing like crazy here, but hey, yea those crazy fanboys are stopping people.... somehow.... no not really.... I guess they put up a "no criticism allowed rule" somewhere that everyone is ignoring.
Interfectum said:
In what way?
Dinosaur Tamer
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gatti-man said:
This. Absolutely. I am somewhat amused by the amount of people still expecting something completely new and risky or a SWG clone, although SWTOR's general direction has been pretty clear for a very long time. And most of the other criticisms are ill informed or just plain out wrong stuff like "there is no auto-attack so you just stand around waiting for cooldowns" or "there are only two stats".
*Edit*: Also, it's pretty funny to see people claiming they are not allowed to state their (negative) opinions, while actively labeling everyone who dares to disagree (with them) a fanboy.
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CzarTim said:
It seems that way.
What did people expect from TOR?
I expected a Bioware Starwars MMO. Thats pretty much what I got. People who expected this game to turn everything on its head set themselves up for dissapointment. If you've played KOTOR and you've played an MMO, you have a pretty good idea of how this game is shaping up.
BattleMonkey
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CzarTim said:
The game is high profile and highly hyped, so it gets far more attention than other games that have done the same thing. It's guilty of being a copy in many ways yes, we have known for this some time now, but many other games tend to get a free pass because they just don't have anywhere as much hype behind it. Happens with all games though, nothing new, hype can often be a games worst enemy and it could damage TOR as well with peoples expectations being too high and higher than normal critical focus.
CzarTim said:
They said the story would be equal to like 10 KOTORs or something.
One of my major interests in MMOs is exploration. So my interests in this game are:
A. Exploration
B. KOTOR quality story-line
Honestly the questing and raid content looks generic right now. Also, I am really disappointed that Bounty Hunters and Smugglers are grouped in with Old Republic/Sith. The should be a separate Fringe faction. The three major faction system is common in other Star Wars games (star wars miniatures / star wars risk)
Interfectum said:
This would be an accurate assessment. And it shouldn't come as a surprise as, likely, many of the things put in place early on in development (things that are more difficult to change as you build on top of them) probably were 2-3 years ago.
There is *a lot* of running around to do in this game. And while I do think Blizzard's decision to totally streamline quests and stick them in hubs, completely scrubbing any sense of exploration, wasn't the best solution, TOR is missing a lot of the "convenience factors" that did work for WoW when they were implemented.
Just stupid shit like not being able to take "connecting flights" between travel points.
Billychu said:
Yeah I think it would be cool to have a neutral faction. And either faction could hire them for PVP battles, like mercenaries. It would create some interesting dynamics if a Sith guild payed a neutral faction guild to take part in a battle. Or if they were hired by the Republic, but had a secrete agreement with a Sith guild to sabatoge them etc...
Or if smuggler could be player hired to smuggle in contraband items, or if bounty-hunters could be player hired to kill another player or npc.. etc..
So many cool dynamics that could take place with these options.
Instead they seem to be making a generic MMO that has dialogue trees and better storytelling. Those are good improvements, but after you experience the story you are left with the same problem all MMOs have, end game burnout. Raiding and grinding is not fun. You need some sort of way to have dynamic, player driven gameplay.
BattleMonkey
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kodt said:
Well when you "finish" up with the game, you can just quit, like you would any other game. Course paying a sub fee the idea is that you will want to keep playing because they will or at least are expected to keep delivering content updates to the playerbase.
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