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Star Wars: The Old Republic [Releasing Date: Dec 20 NA/EU - NDA Lifted]
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HarryDemeanor said:
To my knowledge Koreans pay by the hour or you can buy blocks of time, but not monthly. Why the Japanese are paying so much I have no idea and I've also read that TERA will be the most expensive monthly fee for any MMO ever, however that could be a bunch of bullshit. At this point with the drama going down with the Korean version, the amount of time it takes to westernize it, content will be slow to roll out on both ends and ultimately kill the game before it launches here.
FieryBalrog
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That's not what he said at all.Moaradin said:
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Jira said:
A shame because it's an incredibly beautiful game that I'd love to explore at least once.
Anasui Kishibe
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Sigfodr said:
seriously?
jesus
FieryBalrog
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seriously?Anasui Kishibe said:
seriously?
Hawk269
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Well to be honest, it has been dishearting to see so much negative, but for me the issues that I have been hearing that a persistent are issues that are not related to bug fixes, broken quests, clipping or stuff like that. That is stuff they can easily fix/patch. What concerns me is the "lifeless" that some are reporting and the lack of content in the form of alternate quests outside of the Story.
For me, I love a good story but I also like "other" things to do in a game, especially in an MMO. While I understand that they are holding back on the flashpoints and that is understandable. The real concern is just the lack of what sounds to be quests that are only story bound and not other stuff to do.
As mentioned an MMO that seems lifeless because of the lack of NPC's or stuff going on that is not another player is a bit of a big letdown as well. If this is truly a July build, then some of the technical issues are understandable, but lifeless planets, lack of side quests or just random quests are things that if they are not in now, it may not be at all.
Lastly, even though some stuff sounds discouraging, I will NOT write the game off until I actually play the "official" release of the game. There is so much that happens to a game, even an MMO in the last 2 months of release that anything can happen. Although some of the stuff that people complain about are things that are harder than just adjusting spawn timing's etc.
So, even if this is an early July build, we are talking about 3 months left if they plan to launch in November.
For me, I love a good story but I also like "other" things to do in a game, especially in an MMO. While I understand that they are holding back on the flashpoints and that is understandable. The real concern is just the lack of what sounds to be quests that are only story bound and not other stuff to do.
As mentioned an MMO that seems lifeless because of the lack of NPC's or stuff going on that is not another player is a bit of a big letdown as well. If this is truly a July build, then some of the technical issues are understandable, but lifeless planets, lack of side quests or just random quests are things that if they are not in now, it may not be at all.
Lastly, even though some stuff sounds discouraging, I will NOT write the game off until I actually play the "official" release of the game. There is so much that happens to a game, even an MMO in the last 2 months of release that anything can happen. Although some of the stuff that people complain about are things that are harder than just adjusting spawn timing's etc.
So, even if this is an early July build, we are talking about 3 months left if they plan to launch in November.
Hawk269 said:
Sadly this is a big part of whats killing/killed DC Universe Online in alot of ways. they spent so much time on all the story based stuff, voice acting, etc. That when it finally came out it was very short on overall content.
It's been rough with bugs and what not aswell, but for alot of core MMOers there just is not anything remotely close to enough content to keep people satisfied for longer than a month or two.
I've always had a feeling that Biowares obsession with the story would cripple the game in the short term, and from what i'm hearing alot of people seem to feel that way right now. Who knows they might surprise everyone come launch, but I have a feeling alot of people other than hardcore Star Wars fans are going to be very disappointed here.
Oh and even if there is anything you do like when the game ships, don't worry as Lucas will make sure that crap is replaced with garbage nonsense.
Moaradin said:
Lets be honest here, if your talking about regular single player RPGs, yes people expect and want a good story for various reasons. However I don't know if that desire to have that much story is there for an MMO (it could obviously) but it's not a clear answer at this point, because so few MMOs have barely attempted to tell any kind of genuine narrative.
Most MMOers want that next quest, next level, next piece of epic gear/loot, whatever. The majority skip right over the text involved with the quest and just go straight to the objective and complete it. It's just the way MMOs have been made, so it's what people except. I don't know if StarWars will change that but will see soon enough.
gatti-man said:
Thats not what I am saying. I'm not a hardcore MMO player, far from it really. I also believe that the story "Could" add a great deal to the overall experience of an MMO, but the question remains at what cost will this have to the overall experiance outside of that one aspect, and if the audience really wants it?
How long will it take them to create more content with all this focus on dialog/story?
How big will updates be, will they be shorter than normal due to a greater focus on the
story?
How much will their insistance on heavy story related stuff take away from other key aspects of MMO's in general,stuff that most players will more than likely want?
Most of the best mmo's i've played have always been games that balance what is there for a more casual crowed, and what is there for the core MMO crowed because both of those want alot of different things from the same game, and it's impossible to make everyone happy. The Core MMO player is the one who is going to stick it out and pay the sub even if there are heavy issues at launch or long after if they like the game, the more Casual player(on average)is more likely the one that will lose patience much more quickly due to even minor issues and quit.
The last MMO I played heavily was Ultima Online which was ages ago, so i'm no expert on more modern MMO's, but I have witnessed first hand what poor content management can do to an MMO in a short time with DC Universe. Long story short, it's not a pretty thing to see, especially when the game had so much potential.
AzureNightmare
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Good to know the hatetrain is still strong with Jarmel at its helm.
FieryBalrog
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The Korean style MMO looks pretty new to most western players.Cyrillus said:
If done well, there's no reason it couldn't take off in the West.
AzureNightmare
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I'd more like you to cite some evidence validating your otherwise insubstantial complaintsJarmel said:
krameriffic
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Desaan said:
Wait, are you blaming the players for not caring about the storyline in an MMO when probably 75% of the quests are going to be "kill X amount of monster Y, Z amount of monster W and collect T amount of item S"? People will listen to the dialog in a KotOR game because it's an honest-to-goodness single player experience. People don't give a shit about story in an MMO because most of it is a tissue thin veneer used to hide the barebones progression-based gameplay model.
What they need to do is play up the times when they actually have an interesting story to tell and downplay the pointless, grindy MMO bullshit.
Jarmel said:
I would but I'm not going to spoil anything. All I can say is go on Dromund Kaas and do the quest chain there. It's in the very beginning of the game. It's a great quest chain, plus they are totally optional sidequest. I haven't even seen much of the game as I'm not level 50 and I doubt you are either.
AzureNightmare said:
Sure, for example the Taris bonus missions. The Governor mentions after you complete the mission that the rakghoul population should have gone down. Nothing noticeable happens. Either Bioware should cut that line of dialogue out or show some visible change through a world phase. Another example on Nar Sha where you blew up some drug suppliers and the quest giver mentions that the drug addicts are leaving the area in flocks. Again nothing noticeable happens. Another example on Nar Sha where you do some missions for a Republic Ambassador and he mentions that an area should be free of a gang, nothing happens. Either Bioware should not put those lines in the game or there should be something that the player can note.
The world is lifeless in that there is very few NPC interaction and all the characters are static except for the guards in a few points who shoot at some random enemy such as near the space port at Nar Sha or the rahkghouls rushing a base in spare amounts in Taris. The worlds feels pretty dead. The only one that comes close to life is Ord Mantell and that's only in a certain section where the Republic are fighting the rebels. Hell your companions are also pretty boring as they interject one liners in a few programmed sections of the map and very rarely interject their opinion on what your doing. I use T7 with my JK and he's only commented twice on my actions. The only way you can initiate dialog with them if you go to a rest area or your ship which really cuts down on them feeling like companions compared to slaves.
Side quests are very isolated and very rarely break a certain formula. They lack imagination or creativity for the most part and there should be more lightside/darkside options. For example one mission on Taris was Ravaged Reconstruction that pretty much involved a group of 4 fighting their way through multiple mobs for roughly two hours to kill a boss. That's it. Another example is you scan some docile beasts that only exist in that area and in predictable fashion they attack you after you scan them and you kill them. You do that 5 times and then go back and return the scans in for credits. Also another example on Taris has you killing rakghouls in a certain area till they drop an item(some sort of chip if I remember correctly) that you return to the questgiver. The side quests feel very fluffy in that there aren't interesting stories there and it's only a way to get exp and gear.
krameriffic
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Jarmel said:
People don't like you poo pooing their game, that's all. Even when it's painfully obvious that their are problems with it, just like there were with Rift and Aion and WHO and a billion other MMOs from the last few years that suffered from the same problems.
For all my complaints about the blandness of Rift and WHO in particular, all I got in response was "GO BACK TO WOW FAGGOT!" I don't come onto forums to complain about games for the sport of it, I try to point out the issues for all to see so that maybe one day we can evolve beyond making garbage games with bad design decisions. I can't speak to the quality of SWTOR yet as I haven't played it, but all evidence points toward it suffering from the same kind of blandness that has plagued these other games.
People on here are content to defend their personal investment into SWTOR with self righteous shit like "just because you don't like it doesn't mean it will be bad, I WANT more of the same." I'm like "aight, enjoy when your servers are being consolidated together in two months because the game is shit and made the same stupid mistakes that so many others did.
AzureNightmare
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All this sounds to me is like pre-cataclysm and Pre-wotlk WoW, which is honestly just fine with me since I consider those two expansions to be absolutely horrible.Jarmel said:
Anasui Kishibe said:
No that isn't a joke, though no one ever honors that. Once the NDA drops people open the flood gates about the game on every single MMO that has been in beta. The NDA has to drop at the very least the night before launch, how many weeks/months out an NDA drops on an MMO is very telling.
Any posts explaining why someone dislikes a thing -> "He must be trolling, Bioware owns my soul and I can say no wrong, also Star Wars!!11one!"
It's a wow clone with voice acting, lightsabers, no auto attack, bland, with some good aspects that could go farther but don't.
It just feels half-realized, and if it wasn't for the voice acting it'd pretty much be any old mmo but with starwars, which can only take you so far imo.
The least it could do is be better than wow in some respects and it can't even do that.
It's a wow clone with voice acting, lightsabers, no auto attack, bland, with some good aspects that could go farther but don't.
It just feels half-realized, and if it wasn't for the voice acting it'd pretty much be any old mmo but with starwars, which can only take you so far imo.
The least it could do is be better than wow in some respects and it can't even do that.
I like how negative comments are somehow trolling... criticism is valid sometimes guys >_>
Stop being so offended and acting like they are insulting you personally.
Its very funny how often this happens to mmos... its like you are either on the 'for' team or the 'against' and thats that....
Stop being so offended and acting like they are insulting you personally.
Its very funny how often this happens to mmos... its like you are either on the 'for' team or the 'against' and thats that....
HarryDemeanor
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I see this thread hasn't gotten any better. Quite the warzone in here.
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