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Star Wars: The Old Republic [Releasing Date: Dec 20 NA/EU - NDA Lifted]

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Fox the Sly

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Billychu said:
Making progress on my Consular. Made her a Sage. Time to finally start working my way through to end game now.

It's an awesome class to be sure. I love the versatility. It's gonna be my main at release. :D
 

Emitan

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Had a dream about SWTOR. It begins.

Also: Level 10 Sage, Level 10 Consular, and Level 9 Consular can not do a flashpoint together well. lol
 

nataku

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I'm stuck trying to decide between Consular and Smuggler. The only thing pushing me away from the Jedi classes is the fact that they're probably going to be everywhere.
 

Fox the Sly

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nataku said:
I'm stuck trying to decide between Consular and Smuggler. The only thing pushing me away from the Jedi classes is the fact that they're probably going to be everywhere.

If the beta was any indication then it won't be a problem. I saw plenty of non-Jedi running around when I left Tython.
 

Emitan

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nataku said:
I'm stuck trying to decide between Consular and Smuggler. The only thing pushing me away from the Jedi classes is the fact that they're probably going to be everywhere.
But there's 4 different ACs each with 2 roles so you could have a team of four Consulars fulfilling 2 DPS roles, a tanking role, and a healing role.
 
Fox the Sly said:
If the beta was any indication then it won't be a problem. I saw plenty of non-Jedi running around when I left Tython.

Yup, lot of smugglers at least. In fact all my 4 mans were 2 jedi classes and 2 non-jedi classes.

Is the beta test happening every weekend? Come on Bioware, invite me to the normal beta test!!
 

gatti-man

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Carm said:
I really don't want to stir the hornets nest so I'll keep it brief.

I currently have the CE preordered, after playing over the entire weekend, there is 90% chance that preorder will be cancelled, 90% of the reason is performance related. Nothing, I repeat, nothing is wrong with my computer, performance issues are not caused by some debug tool. Performance issues are hitting quite a few people from reading the testing forums.

For how the game looks I should'nt be running in the teens or low 20's in a lot of places, even on low settings. Yes I checked different drivers, no change.

This game can be downright ugly in some place, environment wise and npcs. I was shocked to see how low res a lot of the textures are on the highest settings.

Voice acting got old fast for me, I'm sure quite a few people will dig it, I didn't care for it.

Light side/Dark side system is useless if it's only there to determine what equipment you can wear. Being able to switch sides at the end of your personal story is how that should have been handled.

No major complaints about UI besides some listed in this thread. I wish I could create waypoints on the map.

Maybe you can move to cancel it, I don't remember. There was a channeled melee strike as a Sith Warrior/Jedi Knight that seemed you couldn't cancel out of and npcs could get out of the way of? If so, that needs to go.

It was hard to take a fat ass Darth Baras seriously.

Best moment playing: Bitch slapping a Twi'lek as a Jedi Knight after she betrayed my master.

If you don't run into performance issues and you wanted WoW, but in space with a dash of Mass Effect and smidge of Kotor, you'll enjoy the game, otherwise you most likely won't. I knew going in it was just gonna be WoW in space, I don't have an issue with that.

Post your specs, maybe we can help. Also no drivers exist for swtor yet so we could see 20-50% improvement over time as bioware optimizes and nv/amd make decent drivers.
 
Fox the Sly said:
If the beta was any indication then it won't be a problem. I saw plenty of non-Jedi running around when I left Tython.


It wont be. MMO players get into betas, but the average Star Wars fan will want to be a Jedi.
 

Chindogg

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Nobiru said:
It wont be. MMO players get into betas, but the average Star Wars fan will want to be a Jedi.

By the looks of general chat in the beta and how people are playing in groups, it seems that the opposite is holding true.
 

pahamrick

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gatti-man said:
Post your specs, maybe we can help. Also no drivers exist for swtor yet so we could see 20-50% improvement over time as bioware optimizes and nv/amd make decent drivers.

Personally I was pretty surprised how well the beta ran for me. I had a rock solid 60fps at all times at all max in-game settings. I am running 5870s in crossfire though, so I was pretty surprised ATI already had a crossfire profile in place even though it's not perfect judging by the occasional visual glitch I was getting.

I did notice that forcing AA through RadeonPro tended to tank my FPS pretty badly even with crossfire.
 

Carm

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gatti-man said:
Post your specs, maybe we can help. Also no drivers exist for swtor yet so we could see 20-50% improvement over time as bioware optimizes and nv/amd make decent drivers.

Again, the problem isn't my computer.

AMD Phenom x4 945 3ghz
MB: ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
EVGA 460 GTX Superclocked Edition
8gb memory
7200rpm hd
Windows 7 64bit
 

LowParry

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Well another week with no invite. No biggy. Y'all need to come join up in Dark Souls if you want something to pre-occupy your time :D
 

Fox the Sly

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CcrooK said:
Well another week with no invite. No biggy. Y'all need to come join up in Dark Souls if you want something to pre-occupy your time :D

You could do what some are doing and create multiple accounts to increase your chances of an invite. It works.

I did. :3
 

gatti-man

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Carm said:
Again, the problem isn't my computer.

AMD Phenom x4 945 3ghz
MB: ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition
EVGA 460 GTX Superclocked Edition
8gb memory
7200rpm hd
Windows 7 64bit
Yes it is. Phenom x4 needs to be tossed in the garbage. This game is very cpu dependent. Every person that complained of low fps in general chat had an old/bargain cpu. I can see why you are taking the stance you are since you would be replacing half your hardware to upgrade but it is what it is.
 

Carm

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gatti-man said:
Yes it is. Phenom x4 needs to be tossed in the garbage. This game is very cpu dependent. Every person that complained of low fps in general chat had an old/bargain cpu. I can see why you are taking the stance you are since you would be replacing half your hardware to upgrade but it is what it is.

LOL god I hate people like you. There was a huge thread on the testing forum, with various configurations, AMD,ATI,Nvidia,Intel, with low fps. Newer and older cpus/video cards.
 

gatti-man

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Carm said:
LOL god I hate people like you. There was a huge thread on the testing forum, with various configurations, AMD,ATI,Nvidia,Intel, with low fps. Newer and older cpus/video cards.
None of what you just said changes what I said. So are you saying their are people with 3ghz+ i5/i7 cpus and decent gpus with low fps? Remember I have access to the same forums and probably have read the same threads as you.
 

pahamrick

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Carm said:
LOL god I hate people like you. There was a huge thread on the testing forum, with various configurations, AMD,ATI,Nvidia,Intel, with low fps. Newer and older cpus/video cards.

Yeah, I saw the thread.

I'm running
i7 920 OC'd to 3.6ghz (HT Disabled)
6 gigs of ram
Radeon 5870s Crossfired.

With crossfire enabled and vsync disabled I was hitting 100+ fps pretty much everywhere except highly populated areas, where it would dip down to 70ish. Vsync enabled was a pretty solid 60fps everywhere.

With crossfire disabled, I still managed 50-60fps 90% of the time. It would dip down to the high 30s in cities with a lot of players / npcs.

The only sure fire way to kill performance for me would be to force AA in my control panel, any form of AA being forced would drop me to 20ish FPS no matter what type of AA or how much even with crossfire enabled.
 

Emitan

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The only time my frame rate suffers is when I'm using the experimental in game AA which is not optimized at all.

It's your CPU.
 

Carm

Member
Look at this graphically/cpu intensive screenshot *rollseyes* Relevant stats in upper left corner.
Notice shadows are turned off, everything else is on highest settings, otherwise it would be 5 or so less fps. It's great a lot of people are not having issues, but don't go saying someone has a shitty computer just because of their performance.
Screenshot
 

Emitan

Member
Mine looks pretty good

Aayla-Secura-star-wars-characters-24132746-500-298.jpg
 

MaddenNFL64

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Carm said:
Look at this graphically/cpu intensive screenshot *rollseyes* Relevant stats in upper left corner.
Notice shadows are turned off, everything else is on highest settings, otherwise it would be 5 or so less fps. It's great a lot of people are not having issues, but don't go saying someone has a shitty computer just because of their performance.
Screenshot

I think some motherboards are shit with TOR right now. I remember some horrible thing happening a ways back with a certain brand of PC, the game would die on it.

Ya, they need to make sure the drivers, and compatibility is on point by launch.
 

gatti-man

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Carm said:
Look at this graphically/cpu intensive screenshot *rollseyes* Relevant stats in upper left corner.
Notice shadows are turned off, everything else is on highest settings, otherwise it would be 5 or so less fps. It's great a lot of people are not having issues, but don't go saying someone has a shitty computer just because of their performance.
Screenshot
No one is saying shitty computer. This particular game doesn't like low end cpu at this particular point is all im saying.
 

Carm

Member
BattleMonkey said:
Something is off, at highest settings the textures should look nothing like that.

As I said, that was everything on highest settings except shadows turned off. AA is turned off in the beta, I didn't force AA.

gatti-man said:
No one is saying shitty computer. This particular game doesn't like low end cpu at this particular point is all im saying.

There were others but they were lower spec or I didn't feel like looking up to see how powerful the cpus were.

i5 750 @ 3.2ghz
4gb ddr3 ram @ 1600
80gb ssd
560TI OC

15-20 FPS at default video settings (1920x1080)

Absolutely unplayable.


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Phenom II x4 955 (3.8ghz)
4 GB DDR3
GTX 460 1024MB

and with everyone on lowest settings and at 1080 resolution im able to get JUST BARELY to 30-31 FPS with no one else around me.

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AMD Phenom 2 x4 940 3.2 ghz
4gb DDR2 1066mhz RAM
ATi 4850 512mb

I'm on all low settings getting an average of 10-15 fps at all times in the starting Ord Mantell area. I hope performance can get better than this, because it's a pretty big deal breaker

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Phenom 2 X4 965 3.4Ghz
8 GB RAM
Radeon HD5770

I've got everything on the absolute lowest settings, and am getting an unplayable 11.5-13 FPS. Ironically, turning everything up to max only drops me about 5 frames, which is just silly.

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I have to turn the resolution down to like 1024x780 just to pull like 5-10 FPS. My system specs destroy the minimum ones.

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Count me in. C2D E6550 @2.3GHz and a GTX460 1GB (833MHz)
5-10 FPS average. If frames were low in the starting area I could handle it, but the game's unplayable/unenjoyable.

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Radeon 5870 1gb
AMD Phenom X6 1090T
8 gb RAM

For me, the game REALLY chugs whenever there's a lot of people around, and there's a noticeable dip in performance whenever there's just a few people around. In most personal story phases, I get 60 FPS with vsync enabled, and in Coruscant I get around 50 something. Of course, I hear people with my video card talking about never dropping below 60 no matter where they are.

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Look, I'm not expecting 60fps locked with special effects from 20 npcs/players in view and animations going off, I'm expecting 30. What I saw in beta was so far below that it was awful. The game looks as bad and sometimes worse than a game on an engine that is over 7 years old.

If the game is unplayable on a 2 year old quad core, the game is doomed for failure. My cpu was released Nov. 2009.
 

Emitan

Member
Carm said:

i5 750 @ 3.2ghz
4gb ddr3 ram @ 1600
80gb ssd
560TI OC

15-20 FPS at default video settings (1920x1080)
Weird. Swap the i5 for an i7 and that's basically my computer (no SSD though). I'm getting 60 with everything maxed and with AA on at 1920x1200.
 

MaddenNFL64

Member
Maybe your client was buggy? I dunno man. Those textures in that picture are awful no doubt. Hope your problems get fixed sooner than later.
 

Carm

Member
MaddenNFL64 said:
Maybe your client was buggy? I dunno man. Those textures in that picture are awful no doubt. Hope your problems get fixed sooner than later.

Don't misunderstand, there are some parts that look nice, but most of the textures are really low res. Like Blizzard some of it looks good because of art direction. There was just little of it, the low res stuff sticks out like a sore thumb.
 

Giolon

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Carm said:
Look at this graphically/cpu intensive screenshot *rollseyes* Relevant stats in upper left corner.
Notice shadows are turned off, everything else is on highest settings, otherwise it would be 5 or so less fps. It's great a lot of people are not having issues, but don't go saying someone has a shitty computer just because of their performance.
Screenshot

There's something wrong. It shouldn't look like that at max settings or run that poorly. I'd post a screenshot from my machines, but that's an huge NDA violation. You should be looking for assistance with this issue on the Beta forums and from Bioware anyways, not the peanut gallery on GAF.
 

MaddenNFL64

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Giolon said:
There's something wrong or run that poorly. It shouldn't look like that at max settings. I'd post a screenshot from my machines, but that's an huge NDA violation. You should be looking for assistance with this issue on the Beta forums and from Bioware anyways, not the peanut gallery on GAF.

*tosses peanuts at Giolon*

You bastard.
 

StUnNeR H2K

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Carm said:
There were others but they were lower spec or I didn't feel like looking up to see how powerful the cpus were.

i5 750 @ 3.2ghz
4gb ddr3 ram @ 1600
80gb ssd
560TI OC

15-20 FPS at default video settings (1920x1080)

Absolutely unplayable.

Something else has to be going on to only be seeing 15-20 fps with that setup. I'm running with a older graphics card and I'm still seeing better fps.

i7 2600K
8 GB DDR3
115 GB SSD
EVGA 275 GTX

I have all the settings almost maxed and I run 40-50 fps @ 1920x1080. 15-20 fps was what I was seeing like 3 builds ago (back in March) in some heavy traffic areas. One tip that I have been using is to 'disable desktop composition' for the swtor.exe file, which turns off the aero desktop junk while the game is loaded.
 

Carm

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Giolon said:
There's something wrong or run that poorly. It shouldn't look like that at max settings. I'd post a screenshot from my machines, but that's an huge NDA violation. You should be looking for assistance with this issue on the Beta forums and from Bioware anyways, not the peanut gallery on GAF.

Oh I have screenshots that look better, I just used that one to point out how bad it looked with the low framerate shown in the upper left corner. Some parts of the game look good, not great. I ran into a lot of ugly textures on highest setting, some decent ones here and there.

I really don't want to get into a graphical argument but it really doesn't look any better than a certain other mmo running on a 7 or so year old engine. Lighting *may* be better in some places. Even that I can't say it's really better because they are going for completely different looks so different lighthing.
 

Carm

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Moaradin said:
Game doesn't look like that. Here's what mine looked like at max settings. It's probably the worst place to show it on but I was just testing the experimental AA but you can tell textures are noticeably better.

http://i.imgur.com/ZITHA.jpg

sorry for bad compression.

AA is not selectable in game, or wasn't for me, not gonna force it to take screenshots, this is what the game looked like when I played.

Again, I do have better screenshots, but I used that one to show how bad the framerate was in that shot with no AA or shadows turned on or anything graphically/cpu intensive going on. It was on the highest settings though besides no AA/Shadows.

Now with that said, I did get 60+ fps in some areas, there was just no rhyme or reason as to why the fps fluctuated so much. Nothing could be on screen and it could be in the high teens/low 20s. Other times numerous npcs would be on screen, yet 60fps.


Edit: Here is one of the better screenshots I took. 60fps but no npcs/players nearby, shadows on, no AA. Looks pretty good because everything is far away, up close, not so much.
 
Carm said:
Look at this graphically/cpu intensive screenshot *rollseyes* Relevant stats in upper left corner.
Notice shadows are turned off, everything else is on highest settings, otherwise it would be 5 or so less fps. It's great a lot of people are not having issues, but don't go saying someone has a shitty computer just because of their performance.
Screenshot

I don't know if this was pointed out yet, but in that SS your card is running in the downclocked/2D mode, which is probably why your performance is so bad there. Did you have any driver failures before that? A bad overclock failing on the card can lock it in the downclocked mode until you restart.

As for the textures... I haven't been in that area in a few months (time to go take a look!) but I do remember them being pretty bad there, yeah.

Edit: Though not that bad I guess http://h7.abload.de/img/textureshuxh.png
I'm getting ~80fps there on a GTX470, have the ini file AA on
 
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