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Star Wars: The Old Republic [Releasing Date: Dec 20 NA/EU - NDA Lifted]

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I really enjoyed my time with the game over the weekend. I am not regretting my CE purchase at all.

I ended up playing a Trooper, Jedi Knight, and Jedi Consular. Leveled them up to 11-12. I was surprised with how much fun I was having as the Jedi Consular.

Also, crew skills are really awesome. I just had my companion out doing gathering missions and crafting items while running flashpoints and doing PvP warzones. It makes crafting skill progression so much easier.
 

Windu

never heard about the cat, apparently
i am probably going to play trooper as my main. Not sure which specialization though.
bloodforge said:
I would like to see more playable races though.
yeah that is my biggest gripe
 

etiolate

Banned
Well I found the start of my beta experience to be pretty meh, but it picked up levels 8-11 and then the quest design started to make things boring. I played a Jedi Consular and went Shadow. (For some reason, I was the only shadow Jedi I saw.)

Things I liked:
-Taking on more than one enemy at once
-Giant cities with the KOTOR layout of being not just a safety crib full of NPCs. A lot of MMOs have their city and its a safehouse and everything else combat and quest wise is done outside the city. The city here is sprawling and full of quests that are accomplished within the various areas of the city.
-Companion utility: Makes soloing easier and works like a hero from Guild Wars, but ToR's companions are also your fetchmen and errand runners. If you are going to do some solo stuff where they are unneccessary, you can send them out to do some Crew Skill quests, which are crafting and gathering missions that basically take up a set amount of time. Your companion goes off for five minutes and then when he returns you get your reward described in the Crew skill tab.

Meh things:
-Combat. Consular's knockbacks and stuns made Jedi-ing it up in a mess of people a bit more heroic, and I liked just flinging rocks at people and force-knocking them back. It is still very hotbar based though and I didn't find much depth to be had.
-Visual Style: Not sure how I feel about it. A cross between KOTOR and the CG Clone Wars show. Things looked flat and the world felt sterile. Even going up some stairs it looked like your character was going up a ramp. You're a Jedi and you can't jump up a little rock hill one rock at a time.

Dislikes:
-Too much dialogue. I don't need three dialogue options to accept a minor quest. Then you hand it in and there's three to five more options. The dialogue options don't match the exact wording of what your character ends up saying and you can't rely on the choice you make creating the sentiment you seek. There's a healthy amount of dialogue, and then there's an obnoxious amount of talking that begins to annoy you and add extra time to a game that already is designed to eat up time. ToR is firmly on the obnoxious side.
-It is just a wow/diku derivative with Star Wars paint. Whatever new things are brought to the genre in this game, they exist with the companion or city structure.
-Quest design is so unimaginative. Everything is a fetch quest or some variety of it (find these things and click on them) with kill ten rats as bonus missions.
-Story driven game that constantly breaks any immersion by everyone running around with the same companion. One day someone will get clever and create their MMO story structure based upon the reality of a MMO game: everyone doing everything together and slowly realizing you're all doing the same thing

I was in the Rift beta and the Rift beta was far more interesting. Zone Events were something fresh and addicting. While the story elements of ToR are nice, they feel like a cosmetic element overcompensating for a very run of the mill game. I think Bioware's best choice is to streamline dialogue and move away from a story structure that clashes with the game's structure. Instead, look at juicing up the crew stuff since that felt like the part of the game with the greatest potential.
 

Jakeh111

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I played BH in beta cause I figured I wasn't going to play it at launch and now I'm set on having a BH tank come release lol. This game is great.
 

Gritesh

Member
I posted some thoughts and feelings on the last page.

But I want to be clear, if you were a WoW player and are waiting for something that respectfully offers the same degree of awesomeness that WoW did back in the day.

THIS IS YOUR GAME

I played WoW since release, still do, and I had made a conscious decision that I was not going to be picking this up.

After getting time with it this weekend and just generally being stoked about it, and then checking out the webpage more, specifically the art direction for the classes, this game is looking great!

Honestly if your on the fence and your an MMO player you owe it to yourself to at least pick this game up on release and play the story arch once, I was so thoroughly impressed with dungeon design for 4 players I was worried about how it would be handled but it worked really well.
 

eastmen

Banned
RoninChaos said:
What kind of pc specs are required to get the game to run on high and be smooth?

My gf is maxing it out with a radeon 4850 512 meg , phenom II x6 1050t , 4 gigs of ram .


We are going to spend $20 and upgrade her to 8 gigs of ram however due to slow load times and what i think is some stuttering whenever its loading anything big in the backround.


I think you really need 8 gigs of ram for this game to be smooth at high settings. Thankfull its cheap as hell right now
 

Emitan

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eastmen said:
My gf is maxing it out with a radeon 4850 512 meg , phenom II x6 1050t , 4 gigs of ram .


We are going to spend $20 and upgrade her to 8 gigs of ram however due to slow load times and what i think is some stuttering whenever its loading anything big in the backround.


I think you really need 8 gigs of ram for this game to be smooth at high settings. Thankfull its cheap as hell right now
You don't need 8GB of RAM to run it fine unless you're multitasking like crazy in the background.
 

eastmen

Banned
quaere said:
Yeah, if you have the PC for it.

I won't get into spec specifics in case they do a ton of optimization before launch, but if you were thinking this looks kinda like the recent WoW expansions so it'll have requirements that aren't much higher...you're mistaken. The CPU demands in particular seem to be much, much higher.

What did you expect ? Wow is a game from 2004 and this is a game from 2011. Your certianly going to need a better pc to play it .

That said the game played fine after some tweaking of the settings on my dual core neo 1.6ghz amd cpu and radeon hd 4330 on my notebook with 3 gigs of ram. I think if i upgrade to 4 gigs it be even more stable .

So you can certianly play with older set ups.
 
eastmen said:
My gf is maxing it out with a radeon 4850 512 meg , phenom II x6 1050t , 4 gigs of ram .


We are going to spend $20 and upgrade her to 8 gigs of ram however due to slow load times and what i think is some stuttering whenever its loading anything big in the backround.


I think you really need 8 gigs of ram for this game to be smooth at high settings. Thankfull its cheap as hell right now
I currently have a quad core phenom 955 running at 3.4 ghz, six gigs of ram and a GeForce 480 1536, I think is the model. My last Ram slot is blocked so if I do a ram upgrade I'll need to get two 4 gig sticks instead of the current 2x2x2 set up I have. Hrm.

*edit* here's my video card.
ASUS Model ENGTX480/2DI/1536MD5

I need to look up RAM upgrades then.
 

eastmen

Banned
Billychu said:
You don't need 8GB of RAM to run it fine unless you're multitasking like crazy in the background.


I'm not so sure about that. Watching it on my pc (radeon hd 6950 unlocked to 6970+ speeds ) phenom II x6 1090t @ 3.8ghz , 8 gigs of ram it consistantly showed the game taking 4 gigs and windows 7 using almost 3 gigs with my anti virus and a few websites up.
 

FLEABttn

Banned
RoninChaos said:
I currently have a quad core phenom 955 running at 3.4 ghz, six gigs of ram and a GeForce 480 1536, I think is the model. My last Ram slot is blocked so if I do a ram upgrade I'll need to get two 4 gig sticks instead of the current 2x2x2 set up I have. Hrm.

I was running fine with 6 gigs. My guess is that 512MB of vram isn't enough to prevent stuttering when loading in and out stuff with everything set to high.
 
FLEABttn said:
I was running fine with 6 gigs. My guess is that 512MB of vram isn't enough to prevent stuttering when loading in and out stuff with everything set to high.
Okay. My video card has a gig and a half of video ram so I think I'll be okay. I'm already getting the collector's edition, I didn't want to drop more money for Ram if I didn't have to.
 

eastmen

Banned
FLEABttn said:
I was running fine with 6 gigs. My guess is that 512MB of vram isn't enough to prevent stuttering when loading in and out stuff with everything set to high.


It could be. I don't think she will want to buy a new video card right now ,esp not with the 28nm cards coming out next year. I will most likely upgrade next year to a 28nm card and give her my 6950 .
 

eastmen

Banned
RoninChaos said:
Okay. My video card has a gig and a half of video ram so I think I'll be okay. I'm already getting the collector's edition, I didn't want to drop more money for Ram if I didn't have to.


You should be fine with 6 gigs.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104262

Of course 8 gigs of 2 x4GB dimms is only $30 after a rebate. So its not a huge cost upgrade.


You could get the 2x4GB and i'm assuming you have 2x3GB rght now ? You can put a 3gig in with the 2x4GB and have 11 gigs of ram. But there is another beta test weekend coming. So wait till then.
 

FLEABttn

Banned
eastmen said:
It could be. I don't think she will want to buy a new video card right now ,esp not with the 28nm cards coming out next year. I will most likely upgrade next year to a 28nm card and give her my 6950 .

Sounds solid.

My GF's PC runs everything pretty well at medium with a 512 MB 9800GTX+ with very little stuttering. Though I don't want to get her a video card upgrade as her C2D would probably hold it back to something barely above what she has now. Think her shit's slowly dying anyways.
 

eastmen

Banned
FLEABttn said:
Sounds solid.

My GF's PC runs everything pretty well at medium with a 512 MB 9800GTX+ with very little stuttering. Though I don't want to get her a video card upgrade as her C2D would probably hold it back to something barely above what she has now. Think her shit's slowly dying anyways.


I run at 5760x1080p so I allways need a new video card. The 6950 has been a beast for me , however I think the new verison of amd's stuff will fit the bill for me. I hate upgrading video cards every year however . I think the next one will be it for awhile and I would have stayed with the 6950 through 2012 if it wasn't for her getting into games like she is .
 

Measley

Junior Member
Is there going to be a thread for this game on the Neogaf community page? Just curious.

Oh, and I went ahead and applied to the Republic GAF guild. Just didn't enjoy the Sith classes at all.
 

Meicyn

Gold Member
Played the game via Bootcamp on a fairly new 27" iMac. Ran it at 2560x1440 resolution with everything maxed and bloom turned off. The iMac has a Radeon Mobility 6970, an i5 processor, and 12 GB of RAM. My framerate stayed mostly around the mid 40s and higher outdoors in Tython, Coruscant, Korriban, and Nar Shadaa. It'd be in the 80s in caves. It dipped down to the low 30s around the Jedi Temple and the upper teens in the foggy/misty tombs in two spots on Korriban. The framerate drop in the Korriban tombs confused me since that same fog is present in Nar Shadaa.

Overall, the framerate is passable though considering I could run more graphically intensive games at the same resolution at a higher and more stable framerate, there's definitely room for improvement. I hope the launch client improves things and anti-aliasing support kicks in so I can get my MLAA on.
 

quaere

Member
eastmen said:
That said the game played fine after some tweaking of the settings on my dual core neo 1.6ghz amd cpu and radeon hd 4330 on my notebook with 3 gigs of ram. I think if i upgrade to 4 gigs it be even more stable .
I'll just say that this is very different from my experience...

I have a notebook that destroys the specs above and the game really struggled. I tried it on 3 different PCs so my performance impressions aren't a strange configuration issue.
 
eastmen said:
You should be fine with 6 gigs.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104262

Of course 8 gigs of 2 x4GB dimms is only $30 after a rebate. So its not a huge cost upgrade.


You could get the 2x4GB and i'm assuming you have 2x3GB rght now ? You can put a 3gig in with the 2x4GB and have 11 gigs of ram. But there is another beta test weekend coming. So wait till then.
Thanks for the reply. I'm currently running muskin ram, so I'd like to stick with that but I can't seem to find an 8 gig kit that would work with my mobo. I'm running a CrossHair III formula.

Ideally I'd just replace my 2 2 gig sticks with the 2 4 gig sticks and toss my last two gig stick in and end up with 12 gigs of ram.
 

Fonds

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I'm happy to hear my PC will run this just fine... Maybe I'll upgrade to 8GB of RAM, but that's just for the icing on the cake I guess.

To bring this back to TOR and away from specs;
Will I have enough time to get a feel for both Trooper Commando and Jedi Sentinal in one beta weekend?

I'm having a really hard time deciding between the two and hope the beta weekend can give me some closure.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
I really can't imagine RAM being the bottleneck for any current video games.
 
I feel like this is a very CPU heavy game. I'm running a i5-2500k, 8gb ram, 580gtx and only this and BF3 have made my fans spin up like crazy. Usually my machine is whisper quiet but something about this game puts it in overdrive (on max settings btw)
 
razgriz417 said:
I feel like this is a very CPU heavy game. I'm running a i5-2500k, 8gb ram, 580gtx and only this and BF3 have made my fans spin up like crazy. Usually my machine is whisper quiet but something about this game puts it in overdrive (on max settings btw)

Which is good and makes sense. It feels good to finally be pushing my i5-2500k.
 
The_Inquisitor said:
Which is good and makes sense. It feels good to finally be pushing my i5-2500k.

Yea that is true, I'm hoping they optimize the crap out of it though so I can run bootcamp on my 13" mbp. SWTOR comes out right at the end of the semester and I can't bring my desktop home for the holidays :/

O also, I saw that I got a survey from bioware about this weekend. Don't forget to fill those out guys
 

JWong

Banned
etiolate said:
Dislikes:
-Too much dialogue.
You can just skip it. It's like saying there's too much text to for quests in MMOs.

I just wish they had subtitles for even the English dialogue so I can read it faster than they speak. Or I just can't find the option.
 

eastmen

Banned
wait whats this with the free pet thing on sunday ? I threw my back out doing yard work and was in bed instead of playing.


The pet isn't something you keep into live do you ?
 
Measley said:
After Beta, this is my main;

img-ome_jedi_consular.jpg

consulars wear pants?
 
eastmen said:
wait whats this with the free pet thing on sunday ? I threw my back out doing yard work and was in bed instead of playing.


The pet isn't something you keep into live do you ?

They gave everyone a baby droid that just follows you around after maintenance on Sunday evening, I think it looked alike a little Droideka and was purely cosmetic. I doubt we get to keep them since they'll wipe the servers before launch
 
razgriz417 said:
They gave everyone a baby droid that just follows you around after maintenance on Sunday evening, I think it looked alike a little Droideka and was purely cosmetic. I doubt we get to keep them since they'll wipe the servers before launch

This. It was probably a stress test of player pets.
 
Hari Seldon said:
Do the class story lines last the entire leveling experience?

There are gaps throughout where you basically need to do other things to level enough to get to the next parts of your class storyline.

You are essentially always on your storyline but you will need to do other things in between chunks like grinding, group content, pvp, ship combat, etc.
 

border

Member
How much would I expect to spend on a laptop capable of running this game at 30 FPS consistently? Any suggestions as to brand/model?
 

Hari Seldon

Member
BattleMonkey said:
There are gaps throughout where you basically need to do other things to level enough to get to the next parts of your class storyline.

You are essentially always on your storyline but you will need to do other things in between chunks like grinding, group content, pvp, ship combat, etc.

Ok that is cool. The class story lines are what make you actually want to do the quests and follow the story, rather than just race to the end game a la warcraft.
 

eastmen

Banned
BattleMonkey said:
There are gaps throughout where you basically need to do other things to level enough to get to the next parts of your class storyline.

You are essentially always on your storyline but you will need to do other things in between chunks like grinding, group content, pvp, ship combat, etc.

I can say up to level 15 i never had to do anything but my story line and other optional quests . There was no grinding and all the optional quests were also within the story line quests areas so i'd normaly be doing 2-3 quests in addition to it
 

Measley

Junior Member
Hari Seldon said:
Ok that is cool. The class story lines are what make you actually want to do the quests and follow the story, rather than just race to the end game a la warcraft.

Yeah, that's what made me really enjoy this game and get into my character. The storylines are very well done. Better than the movies in fact (though that isn't hard to achieve).
 
Storyline questing stuff was great through what I got. There were multiple quests always to do, and random "kill these for bonus" quests. There is 0 grinding. Overall it's a much better starting experience than WoW.

I didn't get to get into the crafting or post lvl 10 stuff yet. I could go further since I am in extended beta, but I don't think i want to spoil any more of the game.
 
eastmen said:
I can say up to level 15 i never had to do anything but my story line and other optional quests . There was no grinding and all the optional quests were also within the story line quests areas so i'd normaly be doing 2-3 quests in addition to it

That changes though. The initial story line stuff does last quite a while early on, but higher level you get, the gaps in the story will appear and you will be doing some actual grinding and lot more side quests between segments of your class storyline.

The grinding though to me never got bad at all though the game moves pretty well paced, and if you mix up your gaming by doing stuff like flashpoints (makes tons of XP), it really helps eliminate alot of the games grind.
 

Hari Seldon

Member
The Imperial Agent (and I assume Smuggler also) was boring as shit to play. I don't know how they are going to convince anyone to play these classes. You hide behind a fucking rock and hit buttons. That is terrible in a dungeon with bosses that move around and terrible in PvP because it completely negates the advantage of a ranged class kiting ability.

I figured I'd try IA because I assumed they would be a very underplayed class. Yeah they will be, and even my desire to play an underplayed class won't get me to play one.
 
Had 2 friends in the beta over the weekend. One couldn't believe how ugly it was actually seeing it in motion on his screen, and doesn't think anyone will actually want to sit through 4 choices before being able to pick up a quest and wished there was just a button he could mash to select all evil choices and move on. The other loved it.

I'm flagged for future weekend stress tests apparently, so I guess I'll be forming my own opinion soon enough.
 
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