Hero Prinny
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that would make him the queen then.
lol yea he really does. at first I thought he was, he looks and sounds like one.
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lol yea he really does. at first I thought he was, he looks and sounds like one.
That's Fate Stay Night
Jawmuncher
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Yep making the game a new trilogy could work. Making it episodic like a TT game I don't think would be a good idea.
Just because it hasn't been done, doesn't mean there isn't a way to do it. As I said we know nothing. We know nothing about the context of Episodic. Star Wars is episodic.
I'd be down with a two part FF VII as long as the first part ends with "Insert Disc 2"
Ever thought that maybe King is his family name and they're going "oh that boy King, such a rascal"?
I'm not down with a episodic FF, give me a full game. Saddly it'll sell and SE will think this is a valid format because it's FF VII
Ever thought that maybe King is his family name and they're going "oh that boy King, such a rascal"?
crazyrabbits
Banned
Come on, don't avoid the question, especially not after I just spent a page pointing out various points where an overworld lends itself greatly to the overall experience.
I would be perfectly fine with sacrificing unique assets in favor of a streamlined (but bolstered) remake if it meant having a complete game.
I agree with you guys. No more than 3 parts would be good enough.
By the way, lol at the people believing that the "multi-part" thing could also mean that they are remaking stuff like Crisis Core and/or other stuff from the compilation. FF VII alone is too ambitious for S-E to remake, now imagine adding more games. I mean, I can see them adding additional scenes expanding with stuff from the other games/media, but there's now way that they are remaking them completely.
I already explained. The Xenoblade method of have very large interconnected segments would be perfectly feasible.
As "episodes" get added new areas according to the story get added, and the previous areas get bolstered. It should also be noted that they have already stated that it won't be a faithful reproduction of the story in the original game so they can tweak things to work better.
texhnolyze
Banned
This past 24 hours has been a rollercoaster for me.
Sigh.
Sigh.
crazyrabbits
Banned
And yet, Xenoblade is a single game that didn't need to be chopped up for "episodes", despite having... what, 100+ hours of content if you're factoring in sidequests?
Episodic games tend to lend themselves to story-driven experiences, as we've seen quite a few times over the last few years. I don't know how that's going to work with an RPG, nor what sacrifices will need to be made to see it get to the finish line.
I've never seen an episodic game add and augment itself to be bigger as time goes on. The whole point of episodic games is slices of content.
Slices of story. You have to remember that FF7 for the most part of the game is heavily gated by story events. There are plenty of optional places to go between the story beats but for the most part it is fairly directed. The full overworld is only really opened up once you get the Highwind.
You'll have to take note of the way the Witcher 3 handled its first expansion. It expanded the overworld and populated a new area, but then also added more quests and story beats in the old areas.
someguyinahat
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There's a huge difference between expansions and episodic format.
Sophistry.
Nobody knows what episodic means in this context. They haven't explained yet.
they can probably find a middle ground
not like they called it episodic, just Multi part because it will be really big
Chairmanchuck
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Is Neptunia 3 more than 1 or more than 2 regarding endings/optional content NG+?
In 2 you had some dungeons you could only enter in NG+ (I hate such).
In 2 you had some dungeons you could only enter in NG+ (I hate such).
I mean it's a comment and my opinion, no need to be all high & mighty bruv
in a nutshell? over reliance on cutscenes and linearity
thankfully there's Dragon Quest
UltraFunGame is used for in tutorials.
So it's nothing
unless it's Half-Life 3 codename.
Se7enSword
Banned
There's also Trails in the sky which isn't linear, plus very limited cutscenes.
Crimsonclaw111
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Is there any Square Enix game coming to PC besides Lightning Returns in the coming months? Deus Ex was delayed 
Is there any Square Enix game coming to PC besides Lightning Returns in the coming months? Deus Ex was delayed
Hitman.
thesaucetastic
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Ittle Dew 2 confirmed.
Maybe "392030 = Murasaki" is Murasaki Baby?
I hope "388860 = Project Replay" is Rare Replay, but who am I kidding.
"373990 = Metrico+" This was on the Vita, wasn't it?
"369440 = Project Fluttershy" is probably Them Fightin' Herds or whatever that mlp thing turned into. Also apparently Ren'Py is coming to Steam.
Maybe "392030 = Murasaki" is Murasaki Baby?
I hope "388860 = Project Replay" is Rare Replay, but who am I kidding.
"373990 = Metrico+" This was on the Vita, wasn't it?
"369440 = Project Fluttershy" is probably Them Fightin' Herds or whatever that mlp thing turned into. Also apparently Ren'Py is coming to Steam.
I thought this was supposed to be episodic, sort of strange.
That's it? That's disappointing.
This is probably bad in many ways.
The Last of Us confirmed!!!!1111oneoneone!!!!
Is this the only board game on Steam besides 100% Orange Juice?
Is someone making a game about the Hindu epic? Hope it's not shovelware (it most likely is).
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Is there any Square Enix game coming to PC besides Lightning Returns in the coming months? Deus Ex was delayed
ff6
BoosterDuck
Banned
Is there any Square Enix game coming to PC besides Lightning Returns in the coming months? Deus Ex was delayed
Rise of the Tomb Raider
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Hopefully it hurries up, I've been itching to play it again and after recently finishing FF5 on Steam it's got me thirsty for more. Maybe I'll finish up XIII-2 and see how Lightning Returns is.
On another note, I don't think Undertale is my kind of game. Probably won't play any more of it.
crazyrabbits
Banned
I am aware. The difference is that FF7 was a story that stood on its own, irrespective of how linear the early going was. Witcher 3 is a complete game that has an expansion dumped on top of it via a new area. I haven't played it, but I assume that the quests/story beats it adds to the main game are comparatively miniscule in comparison, much like how little the Mass Effect 2/3 DLCs impacted the main story.
That's why I'm questioning an episodic release in the first place. How is the story going to handle beats that occur in the overworld, like the team racing to stop WEAPON before it attacks Midgar, then visiting the North Crater and going back to Midgar near the end of Disc 2? How is it going to carry over items/story choices for sidequests across multiple parts, if at all? Why mess with the natural progression of the story via cliffhangers when we already know the story beats? How is this going to impact areas that could be originally accessed in multiple discs? It's sacrificing gameplay for story.
It's absurd to me that they just dumped this reveal out via a press release, and then say that they're doing this episodically because it's apparently too big to fit on one disc without elaborating further. Fucking Wolfenstein TNO is 45 gigs and came out on one disc. I don't think people are going to be too bothered if the game is 2 or 3 Blu-Ray size discs like the original.
Like I said, the only way I could see myself supporting this is if each "episode" is packed to the gills with new content and makes each area function more like a mini hub-world, but somehow, I don't see that happening.
I guess we assumed since the first one sold 10 million copies on a single platform in a smaller video game market, and the remake has been the single most wanted Square game in the last decade, that it would sell enough copies across 3 or 4 (depending on NX) platforms to justify the cost?
Because it's an absolutely crazy suggestion that no one would ever have thought of?
I'm surprised with the massive negative reaction I always thought they gonna split it seeing how fast it seem they came along with it.
Game would've MASSIVE so I'm okay with it tbh, and crazyrabbits concern is nuts come on son, its 2017, asset transfer in installation is easiest than ever, and you regular in Steam thread
How come you not realize those game with sudden a lot of new content when's patch coming?
Its not an new revelation. Weird.
Game would've MASSIVE so I'm okay with it tbh, and crazyrabbits concern is nuts come on son, its 2017, asset transfer in installation is easiest than ever, and you regular in Steam thread
How come you not realize those game with sudden a lot of new content when's patch coming?
Its not an new revelation. Weird.
Sure. It is a bit stupid to say this without specifying what it means. Their press release doesn't say episodic, it says "multi part". People just went of into the deep end by assuming that, regardless of the fact that episodic confers nothing about quantity of content or length.
Multi part is less than ideal when considering the original game. But somebody factored the cost of the original in today's dollars and it came up to 67m. Now consider the game being made with today's production values and you probably get the most expensive game ever made by a large margin.
Is the fanbase in today's market sufficient to take it past 10m copies? JRPGs in general don't sell as well as they used to.
Despite SE's repeated claims over the years that creating a remake with current (PS3 era) production values made no sense to them financially. Imagine how much it costs now. They could split it up, or they could charge more than 60$ which would never happen.
crazyrabbits
Banned
I guess it's absurd to expect a full-on game of this scale in this day and age. I chalked up the gameplay demo to the dev team having rushed to build a prototype of the intro/first hour so they could have something to show.
It's fairly difficult to misconstrue the phrase "Final Fantasy VII Remake is a multi-part series." Like I said, in an age where game dev budgets can and do exceed $100m or more, and given the insane level of hype this project has built up over the last decade, I find it hard to believe that a full-fledged game was immediately out of the question.
Street Fighter V Opening Cinematic
I'll update the link when the official one gets uploaded, but it looks good enough for now, if unfinished.
I'll update the link when the official one gets uploaded, but it looks good enough for now, if unfinished.
It's no Indestructible, but it looks good. Quite short though.
Leon Belmont
Member
I think they will release FFVII Remake as SE did with FFXIII... if that's the case, then, I'm fine with it!
BoosterDuck
Banned
I think they will release FFVII Remake as SE did with FFXIII... if that's the case, then, I'm fine with it!
I'm not. I still need FFT, FF6 (the real one) and Chrono Trigger
trailmix16
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All right. Here are the results for the free copy of DARIUSBURST.
I'm only showing 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place.
1st: Blu(e) - 12
2nd: Seraphis Cain - 11
3rd: Durante, Trailmix, InfiniteNine - 10
I'm going to keep my lists confidential, since I'll probably be doing something similar to this again for the next big release out there. This also lets people know how close they were with their lists this go around. With that said, my mind also changes with time and new releases.
Thanks to those who played.
So close! this was fun
Leon Belmont
Member
I still need those too and FFXII and Dragon Quest VIII! Eventually we are gonna see them on Steam, just a matter of time my friend!
Hype doesn't necessarily sell enough copies. Old fans would or would not buy it on account of whatever changes they have made and in terms of new fans, one has to see that the JRPG market is quite a bit smaller than it used to be as a percentage of the overall video game buying public.
Rockstar knows they have it in the bag when they commit to their insane budgets. We don't know if SE has done surveys to see that they're in a more complicated position.
texhnolyze
Banned
Yes, FFVII is just so massive if we think about it. It can't be compared to GTA V and Witcher 3, it's way bigger. The game covers a whole globe, not a city nor a continent. It would take years of developing to create a true FFVII remake experience. That's why I kinda sceptical after I saw that trailer yesterday. It won't be a full-blown FFVII game, and I think I'll have to deal with it.
Just as Jaw said on the previous page, I'll be more than happy if they stick with the original game design with better UE4 graphics instead.
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texhnolyze
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The thing about that is with the original design they'll get some of the old fans aboard. They won't get anybody else. Then there is the estimation of the cost it would take to remake the game in the old style which is 67m.
You have to ask yourself if people would buy enough copies to replay a game with design that doesn't scream AAA. Everything about that game beyond the story is primitive in today's world.
If you want to replay that game you can already do so.
accel
Member
One day I will complete my collection of FFs and go through them from FFI to whatever is going to be the last by that time. I think with the way I play games it will take a year or so.
LurkerPrime
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Two very good weapons are all you need to absolutely dominate in Borderlands 2. Makes things kinda boring, honestly.
Good gif.
I got bitten by the Xmas spirit
Good gif.
PetriP-TNT
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That's all I wanted too. Maybe with few additions for the better. REmake nailed it years ago and guess what, it's still heralded as the best remake ever.
accel
Member
Is the debunking in Valve usually using 3-digit game codes and the game in the leak using a 6-digit one? I am not sure lack of hyphen in the name is significant. I don't know, really, I mean, it's possible that this is just trolling, but then that trolling had to happen right before the leak and that seems a bit strange.
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