SteelYoshi
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I think? I'm not entirely sure. If I can it doesn't bother me.
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Super Metroid |OT| Prequel to Other M
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I think? I'm not entirely sure. If I can it doesn't bother me.
proud I figured this out on my own. was sitting there trying to do one early wall jump and I figured it's gotta be a 1 or 2 framer max, shit was hard as hell.
linko9
Member
DL'd and 100%ed last night (I play through this game every couple months, so it didn't take too long). Not much to say other than I found the wii u's control pad very frustrating for doing wall jumps. I always had to use the analog stick whenever I needed to wall jump. With the control pad, it would inevitable press the up direction on accident. Glad that more people are getting exposed to one of the greatest games ever made. Very fun playing on that gamepad screen, for some inexplicable reason.
Oh yeah, no doubt. I realize that. It's just that the original game just came out at a bad time for me and never got to play it much. I was twenty in 1994 and going through college and had stopped playing games, for the most part. It has always been in the back of my mind and I'm pretty happy to finally be playing it on the Gamepad. I'm playing blind and learning the game as I go, as if I got the cart back then. The only other Metroids I've beaten have been Prime 1 and 2.
anotherVegan
Member
The timing is very precise. It's not when you hit the wall, not when you press away, but a split second after that. Some sequences can become irrelevant once its mastered, though.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
guis supor metroied is almost as good ass otter m but oter m has beter grephix liek wtf i cant eveen se metroied moeving
Revolutionary
Member
Goddamn I hate quicksand in this game
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
How do I not have German/French subtitles?
This video explains the timing for the wall jump really well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us1hji3KQQg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us1hji3KQQg
Euro version? You can't. I know, it's dumb.
cgi and voice make metroid feel human
Close your eyes.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
ikr i wus liek so sed whn tht guy secrificied himsolf 4 metroied bcuz metroied was liek his gf :CCCC
Someone I know is playing through the game for the first time. They asked me what to do after getting the high jump boots because they couldn't figure out where to go.
Even though I haven't played the game in years, I instinctively knew the answer. I said
Their response was basically that bombing nondescript walls should get you secrets, not be the way to the next major area.
There may be a point here, but I honestly don't remember everything well enough to know if there are clues, other than "you should just be bombing everywhere". My instinct is to defend the game, but shouldn't there be some kind of clue, no matter how minor, if it's something you must do to advance in the game?
Even though I haven't played the game in years, I instinctively knew the answer. I said
try bombing the right wall at the top of the elevator (which is a pretty ordinary looking elevator room with no clues in it about bombing things).
Their response was basically that bombing nondescript walls should get you secrets, not be the way to the next major area.
There may be a point here, but I honestly don't remember everything well enough to know if there are clues, other than "you should just be bombing everywhere". My instinct is to defend the game, but shouldn't there be some kind of clue, no matter how minor, if it's something you must do to advance in the game?
The Xtortionist
Member
You can see that there's a boss to the right of the elevator room if you look at the map.
Davey Cakes
Member
Yes. Use of the map to lead you around is pivotal because it gives you a slight sense of where secret entrances are. Two adjacent rooms with no door? Perhaps you have to find a passage.
Knowing to bomb walls in general helps. It's a basic thing for Super Metroid.
Knowing to bomb walls in general helps. It's a basic thing for Super Metroid.
Others have already mentioned the map, but the fact that the wall is visually very different from the walls normally seen in elevator rooms is also a big giveaway. It's a completely different tileset for the 3 blocks that can be bombed. You would have seen 2 or 3 elevator rooms by that point so it should stand out. Also by that point the player would have run into two spots where bombing a wall is needed to progress further in the game, namely in Crateria and Brinstar, so bombing walls would have been ingrained into the player by this point.
The one secret item where I feel there was virtually no clue at all is the missile pack above (and to the right of) the creatures with shells that had a protective parent (who would spin and attack). The wall was slightly different but using the x-ray was impossible since it was so high up so finding it relies on some impressive intuition. The only reason I discovered it was by watching a 'tricks' video. Otherwise it probably would've taken me ages.
The Xtortionist
Member
I agree, it makes going for 100% quite tedious without a guide. Also liked how later games show how many items you have left to find per area, if any.
Really my only complaint with the game.
Poltergust
Member
Despite this, it still took me hours to find out about that area my first playthrough on the Wii VC. I even found the Power Bomb before finding the High Jump Boots. I had to look up a guide as to where it was because I didn't notice the difference in the wall.
Funnily enough, on my second playthrough of the game a couple of days ago, I forgot where the Grappling Beam was, and I obtained the X-Ray Goggles and Gravity Suit without it before wandering around enough to find the area where it was held. I guess I just can't help but to sequence break when I'm stuck.
Which area are you talking about exactly?
Damn. I own the US version on my SNES, and the Wii version, but I wanted badly to play it on the U pad. Still want, in fact (and will do it anyway). That's truly a pity...
After the consecutive wall jumps, on your right there is a hole that you can get by morph ball. But between this hole and you there is a gap(that if you fall in you should do the wall jumps again).
dglavimans
Member
Well why is there german subtitles in my dutch metroid... All the soccer jokes aside i dont know german and english suits me well..
Ow, i can even turn on france but i cannot disable both..... -.- the hell nintendo
Ow, i can even turn on france but i cannot disable both..... -.- the hell nintendo
I just did this too. No power up needed. Just take a long jump and quickly turn into a ball as you're falling, whilst holding right. I got in there second time trying.
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
WTF!?
this in itself is reason enough to have the 50 Hz version replaced with the original.
The fact of the matter is that for every major secret there is ALWAYS some sort of clue ensuring that you never need to haphazardly bomb stuff. It's merely an issue of getting to understand Super's level design in order to develop that Metroid intuition.
The Xtortionist
Member
Reaching that state of enlightenment where you come to understand the developer's mind (Besides Super Metroid, DKC2 pretty much requires this for finding all the secrets) is a lost art these days. A lot of recent games are more concerned with weaseling their way into the player's mind via preemptive handholding rather than requiring the opposite.
And if you don't, you still can power bomb everything or use the X-Ray Scope later on.
GrotesqueBeauty
Banned
This game blows. I have to pay attention to progress? That's so 90's. Samus should have a big arrow above her head pointing the way. If I wanted to think I'd read a whatever those piles of paper between cardboard-y things are called, not play a game.
Time of completion was roughly 7 hours and 39 minutes. First time I finish the game. It really is a timeless masterpiece.
I'm tempted to start all over, discover everything I missed. It fascinates me how a game can be so deep and ingrained in one's muscle memory that people have managed to do three hour non-glitch runs of this.
Fess
Member
It's very noticable as soon as the screen start scrolling left/right, it stutters almost as bad as a 30fps game. But I agree that saying that it's a waste of money at 0.30 was a bit harsh. I wouldn't recommend the current EU version to anyone unless they must have off TV play though. The original VC Wii version is still purchaseable I think, and it's playable through Wii Mode on WiiU so there really is no reason to choose the WiiU version right now.
nkarafo
Member
A game like this should give away clues for finishing it (Super Metroid does that very well) but i don't agree that it should also give obvious clues for 100% completion. Its not mandatory and its the ultimate challenge in the game, so it has to be hard and cryptic.
Once you finish the game for the first time you have understood how the level design works, how your abilities work and how the map works so you have to use what you know and explore the shit out of it to manage 100%. If the map just shows you where all the items are, there is no satisfaction and sense of reward. And finding secret rooms months after you finished the game and you know the areas inside out, feels like you found a secret stash in your own house where you lived for years. Its very satisfying.
Once you finish the game for the first time you have understood how the level design works, how your abilities work and how the map works so you have to use what you know and explore the shit out of it to manage 100%. If the map just shows you where all the items are, there is no satisfaction and sense of reward. And finding secret rooms months after you finished the game and you know the areas inside out, feels like you found a secret stash in your own house where you lived for years. Its very satisfying.
If you are not sure you can be certain you CANNOT see the difference
Some people cannot see it, if you can it is like the difference between green and red.
Kind of like color blindness except you can LEARN to spot 60fps
Playing the 50hz version right now... The stuttering kind of ruins the experience imo
nkarafo
Member
Nobody can say they don't see a difference if you show a side to side comparison though. There really is a huge difference between 30 and 60 fps, much bigger than 50 and 60hz difference between PAL and NTSC.
Snkfanatic
Banned
Ugh...playing this game again and I forgot how much I despised the wall jump. Gonna have to come back later and try again, I was getting frustrated. The cackling of the little critters didn't help either.
spin close to the wall, then hit the direction away from the wall and jump, nearly at the same time, but jump a hair after the direction. once you figure it out it's really easy, honestly.
shadyspace
Banned
It's been a while but I think I missed the wall jump alien dudes. Im on my way to Maridia and i remember those guys showing up much earlier. Where are those guys? Not like it matters because I'm dope as hell at wall jumping but I like those guys
eXistor
Member
Yeah I agree the difference is pretty big. I own the US version on my NTSC Wii (I use it for imports and the US VC), but my WiiU is PAL. I purely bought the PAL version just to see the difference first-hand and if you're used to the smoothness of the original version, the PAL version really is bordering on unplayable. I just can't ever shake the feeling that I'm not playing it as intended.
As a kid I was forced to play PAL snes and really, I didn't know any better at the time, but this day and age, it's just not acceptable.
OrangeJulius
Member
God I love this game, it represents everything that used to make Nintendo great. Amazing sound and graphics, unmatched level design, controls that felt second nature with perfect weight and physics.
This game did everything right, everything.
This game did everything right, everything.
Snkfanatic
Banned
I watched a few videos about it. I can do it from time to time but not consistently. Guess I just need to practice. I will try again later.