Unbalanced doesn't mean less fun though. I also do find the discovery of different custom sets and seeing people use moves or characters people thought sucked very interesting.
Now if it devolves into a bunch of DKs and Villagers winning tourneys, sure, but I think the potential is too much to drop right away. There's already some tech against DK Kong Cyclone and such.
I don't think it's bad for people to prefer non customs since it has less jank and more balance changes done to it, but I think it's dumb people want to drop customs so early on.
https://youtu.be/2cqupvoLTCE
Here's a video for Sheik against DK Kong Cyclone. Also you can air dodge and drop down if all the hits don't hit you during Kong Cyclone with all characters. Command grabs work decently too (Wario Bite) It's a really strong move but I feel there's some tech people aren't using enough yet or have yet to discover.
If the 2nd hit don't hit you, you can air dodge out. I've done it consistently more than 50:50. Hawaii had a DK player and we've been playing with customs before the rest of the country so we've had practice against it.
It could use some balance changes yes just so other characters can punish it easier without getting windbox jank'd.
I don't know. Even me not being particularly good, it's bothersome that Smash Bros. players have a habit of considering a problem "solved" only because a potential counter exists. It doesn't mitigate the problem, it only means it isn't necessarily totally broken. But people will take its mere existence as a game-changer. Such as the legendary "Diddy is easy to gimp," or "down throw up air is easy to DI," neither of which we saw being put into practice even at the current highest levels of competition. What about characters who rely on off-stage or their aerials for KO's? Guess they're just out of luck, huh? Ground-based characters trying to fight trip seed and exploding balloons? Just completely blows up the neutral game with no effort on the part of Villager. Having trouble getting KO's as Pikachu, the character's main shortcoming? No more, now he has Zero Suit's paralyzer! I feel like customs simplify the game more than they add any nuance or complexity.
I see your points. Ultimately, one of the main selling points behind adding custom moves was that it would add diversity and options to each character. What we are learning is that there is really one ideal move set for each character that everyone uses
1v1 pls
But you can do both with customs on? I use 1111 Mario in certain matchups for example because default cape is better at reflecting than Gust Cape. It's also not a surprise the 2 DK players with results also do well in customs off. They utilize the customs well but they don't let that affect the development of their character's meta, and instead have it complement their toolset. I do think some bad Villager and other players do use some customs as a crutch but a good player will outplay them.I feel like people are so eager to talk about customs as "expanding" the metagame when seemingly so few people will bother developing what we already have.
I'll play if you are still waiting for someone.
sure, do I have you added?
I don't think so. NNID is the same as my username.
I can play for a bit now. 1v1/2v2s, anyone?
Not sure if I have you added, but I'll play you until we can get a 2v2 going, if you'd like. My NNID is the same as my GAF name.
Bingo, my sentiment exactly.I'm just waiting for people, especially in the American scene, to branch out beyond Sheik, Mario, Captain Falcon, probably Fox. I know they're good and it works, but it feels like they're deathly afraid to give other characters a chance. And I don't just mean Yoshi, I mean Greninja, Meta Knight, Mega Man, even Peach or Falco or Ike, especially after those last two have been buffed. Why is Kirby still considered low tier even though he goes even with or has an advantage against several high/ top tier characters? Isn't that the opposite of what puts a character in low tier? Why is Robin still low or even bottom tier when she/ he has incredibly strong spacing, off-stage, and KO setups (yes, I know run speed and grab range/ speed are terrible). I feel like people are so eager to talk about customs as "expanding" the metagame when seemingly so few people will bother developing what we already have.
Not sure if I have you added, but I'll play you until we can get a 2v2 going, if you'd like. My NNID is the same as my GAF name.
Heh, you replied before my edit. I'll add you now.
Edit: Looks like we've added each other already. Did you already host or shall I host instead? Also, what's your Smash name? Mine's フリアン.
1v1 anyone?
Still looking?
The idea behind customs is great, but moves like DK's upB and Villager's camp seed are very good counter arguments. It's why I have slowly shifted back to non custom play. I can see the problem.
GGs Murray, those matches were pretty fun. You have a really nice Lucina
Good games, JulianImp! Sorry but I have to go for now!
whoa can't believe that worked lol
The only nerf I want for her is for Luma to be disabled longer after Rosalina is hit or grabbed. It is too easy for Rosalina to get free hits in when she should be getting hit.Don't know why Rosalina would need nerfs, she hasn't won any huge tournaments yet, and the only good Rosalina player is Dabuz, lol.
Finishes unloading the truck for the new house. TIRED. No internet until Saturday.
The only nerf I want for her is for Luma to be disabled longer after Rosalina is hit or grabbed. It is too easy for Rosalina to get free hits in when she should be getting hit.