Out_Of_Ammo
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Playing real people is the fastest way to get better though. Especially people here, since we can give feedback on what you do well and what you have to work on.
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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U DLC |OT2| Lucas comes out of Nowhere!
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Astral/H3X
Member
I've got about an hour and a half, so I think I'll hit up For Glory unless anyone in particular wants to play.
Shin_Okita
Member
It's been a while since I've played some smash!! If you are around uk/eu we can play
Shin_Okita
Member
Anybody want play a few games!? EU
Astral/H3X
Member
Sadly, I am US.
Got a video I think I'd like people to give me comments, on, gonna video it real quick.
Shin_Okita
Member
Sadly, I am US.
Got a video I think I'd like people to give me comments, on, gonna video it real quick.
No worries man!!
@toastyToast: Things might feel off to you since the physics for Smash4 have changed a lot compared to Melee's. I'll try to summarize some of the more relevant changes:
- Ground momentum doesn't translate into air momentum anymore. That means Captain Falcon can no longer do those ridicuously fast knee strikes from a dash, for example
- L-canceling is out, so it's easier to get punished for using an aerial that has too much landing lag if you aren't careful
- Dash dancing is a lot more limited in range, making dashes a bigger commitment than before
- Hitstun doesn't last nearly as long as in Melee, so true combos aren't as common and follow-ups tend to rely more on anticipating your opponent's reactions
- Air dodges don't stall and can't be directed, but don't put you in a helpless fall state anymore
- A comeback mechanic dubbed "rage" has been added, which makes characters launch opponents farther the more damage they have accumulated themselves. This means that the longer you take to KO an opponent while racking up their damage, the more likely they are to use that damage against you
- Many characters' up B moves now auto-snap against ledges, so you don't have to memorize heights to make sure you don't overshoot ledges and get punished for it
- Re-grabbing a ledge no longer gives you invincibility frames after you do it once, making it way less safe than before
- If someone's hanging from a ledge and another character gets close, the first character will get flung off of it as the second character grabs onto it
Karsticles
Member
Still want to play? I prefer to give feedback on my own matches.Sadly, I am US.
Got a video I think I'd like people to give me comments, on, gonna video it real quick.
Shamrock7r
Member
If not I will play =D
Spirit Icana
Member
If they do play, I can play you.
Karsticles
Member
Damn it, just when I think it's safe to ask for a match...
Maybe we could get doubles going? I feel so lost against Ness. :-/
Shamrock7r
Member
Well I have a game up right now so whoever joins I will play. I got about 30 minutes
You say this from watching a Japanese tournament, not because CEO and FC Return were both taken by Sheik/G&W teams? They're a pretty strong combination. They may force other teams to play characters to counter the bucket specifically. Unfortunately for Zero and Hungrybox, while Zero could take a shield break, Jigglypuff can't even shield the bucket without dying. Funnily enough, I think customs teams really should have enough of an answer to this already with all the low percent kill moves that they use.
Astral/H3X
Member
I can play for about 30 minutes, yeah. Gimme a sec.
Spirit Icana
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Shamrock7r
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Shamrock7r
Spirit Icana
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Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Anyone else still around to play?
I'm getting matched with Europeans, that doesn't usually happen. Or one time, 4 Little Macs from Mexico in a row.
I'm getting matched with Europeans, that doesn't usually happen. Or one time, 4 Little Macs from Mexico in a row.
I can play.
Astral/H3X
Member
Man I do not know how to deal with that Nair.
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
I made a room.
Astral/H3X
Member
Noooooo not Bowser!
Karsticles
Member
GGs. I picked Bowser so I could give you actual feedback, since I just plain don't know the matchup with Mewtwo, and I was spending most of my time trying to figure it out.
I think the only real issue is that your approach is pretty linear. I was able to break it down and counter it with Bowser pretty easily. I suspect that I would have a similar experience with Mewtwo if I knew what I was doing.
You have made huge improvements since you started.
Spirit Icana
Member
Oops, thought I had a jump. lol
Man, your amazing!
Man, your amazing!
Astral/H3X
Member
GGs. I picked Bowser so I could give you actual feedback, since I just plain don't know the matchup with Mewtwo, and I was spending most of my time trying to figure it out.
I think the only real issue is that your approach is pretty linear. I was able to break it down and counter it with Bowser pretty easily. I suspect that I would have a similar experience with Mewtwo if I knew what I was doing.
You have made huge improvements since you started.
Your Nair was pretty good at countering most of what I was doing, though I think I was figuring it out later on. I've really never played any Bowsers, so the only things I know about him is what I've seen mentioned here when skimming. Which is weird, I've heard some people say that Peach is really good against Bowser, but.... Iunno, I don't see it. Maybe if I was good at Toad (LOL), but oh well, need more practice in general anyway.
Against players around my skill level I feel like I have a few more approaches, some of which is just baiting other approaches. But, I don't feel like those will work on you guys, so I end up focusing on the one that works more often in general. :x
toastyToast
Member
Appreciate the info. Online play does sound tempting but there's no hope connecting from Australia now that I think about it.
Shamrock7r
Member
Thanks man. You have some good characters. Very aggressive. GGs
I've been playing both NA and European SmashGAFfers from Argentina without too much lag, so I don't think you should have too many issues playing at least some of us.
Spirit Icana
Member
Thx. Great games! You won almost every game. Very nice. Thanks for playing with me.
Astral/H3X
Member
https://youtu.be/qHljnVlrcNc
This was from a fight earlier. I'm partially uploading it to show a buddy, but I'll drop it here too, for any comments you guys have.
This was from a fight earlier. I'm partially uploading it to show a buddy, but I'll drop it here too, for any comments you guys have.
I've never played a Smash Bros game on any format but I was thinking of taking the plunge on the Wii U version.
Maybe one of you folks could tell me this though, what puts me off fighting games are tedious button mashing combos and having to memorise tons of complex special moves which require joypad combinations of up + left + a + r shoulder + down + y + rotate the analogue stick 720 degrees just so you can stick your foot out a bit.
No thanks.
Does Smash Bros follow this formula or is it, for the lack of a better term, a dumbed down fighter?
Maybe one of you folks could tell me this though, what puts me off fighting games are tedious button mashing combos and having to memorise tons of complex special moves which require joypad combinations of up + left + a + r shoulder + down + y + rotate the analogue stick 720 degrees just so you can stick your foot out a bit.
No thanks.
Does Smash Bros follow this formula or is it, for the lack of a better term, a dumbed down fighter?
It's dumbed down. Instead of making circular or zigzag motions with the control stick and pressing one of six buttons in order to perform a special move, you just press the B button while moving the control stick in a single direction. I'd suggest reading this.
You can bucket teleport? This changes everything.
Astral/H3X
Member
Hmmmm. There aren't really "complex combos" per se as in Street Fighter or Tekken. *every* attack in the game is performed by holding a single direction, and pressing a button. The combos are made by following up those attacks with another attack, by following where the enemy goes from your knockback and stun.
That doesn't make it easy to control at a high level though, but you won't spend any time memorizing ten button combo strings.
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Good games.
Zero Suit's neutral isn't very reliable. All she can really do is shoot paralyzer and hope it hits, and space neutral air (really hard). You pretty much have to learn all of the tricks and juggles she can do or else you're going to end up spamming paralyzer and random dash grabs for all of your damage, like For Glory dummies.
NamikazeBurst
Member
So Bill Trinen uses Yoshi?
They hire some smart people at Nintendo.
They hire some smart people at Nintendo.
Out_Of_Ammo
Member
Well you're exaggerating pretty hard about what's necessary in traditional fighters so it's hard to read what you actually have a problem with. Are you at all interested in playing competitively?
If not, then yes, basic gameplay is far simpler than most fighters. All attacks are a direction and a button. There are almost no cancels, chains, or anything like that. Go for it.
If you are, well... attacks are still simple to pull off, but movement is where the complexity lies. There's a whole lot to be aware of and basically nothing is set in stone. Combos might seem complicated in other games, but once you land the first hit everything afterwards is guaranteed as long as you do it right. In smash, there are very few "true" combos and even after landing a hit you have to predict and react to what your opponent's doing.
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
Good explanation. This is my first Smash game (even though I'm 30, just always been a Street Fighter player). I would compare this game to SFII in the sense of there's some fine-timing "combos" but for the most part this game is all spacing and movement and "mind games" than it is about combos and "advanced techniques".
Smash is pretty fighting beginner friendly.
Karsticles
Member
Alright, I need a break. So fucking tired of the huge piece of shit that is Mewtwo. I have lost at least 20 matches today because of how tucked up all of his attacks are. Fuck you, Sakurai, for releasing an incomplete piece of shit character. I literally had a Yoshi DI out of Usmash today. FUCK THAT SHIT.
are you getting skullgirls on ps4?
Blackquill
Member
I know it's stupid but I have a question about Ganondorf Up Smash, how to safely approach a player who abuse it ? This move have almost no endlag and has a great range, the opponent can follow directly with a down tilt or a warlock kick. I play Ike and Jigglypuff, so i have some way to stop my opponent to spam these moves (Fair, counter, quickdraw...), but it's not 100% reliable so it becomes just a boring match where I lose only because I take 4 or 5 up smash randomly or win because I didn't take enough. Some idea ?
Karsticles
Member
I don't have time for it right now. My love for the game has dimmed a bit now that I know it is "done". I thought it would keep growing. I also only like one character in the game, really, which makes it hard sometimes. I never worked up the desire to learn Double. She is just an assist. I will get it at some point, though. I am sure it will go on sale in a few months.
I would kill for a character with Painwheel's playstyle in Smash. If only there was a good candidate... -_-
Run up and roll behind, punish between Usmashes, or power shield the Usmash follow-up and punish.
Blackquill
Member
I already roll up sometimes, It just so slow ganon can F-tilt me, maybe I haven't the right timing.
It's strange, I have played against way better players and didn't have that kind of issues but I'm just stuck against that lol
Karsticles
Member
Ganondorf can be scary since overcommiting can lead to geting smashed offstage with ease. His up smash allows him to act quickly after the attack animation ends, but the start-up isn't all that fast and it's pretty unlikely that you'll get caught by it out of the blue. Remember that his back is open during the attack (unless you end up hitting his raised leg through improper spacing), and at worst just stay away while 'Dorf does his work-out routine.
My general strategy against hard-hitters is to keep my distance while harassing them with projectiles or anything my character has that allows me to safely pester them from outside their range, and then punishing them whenever they go for anything unsafe (ie: 'Dorf's down B).
...But you just reminded me that a Ganondorf got me with an up tilt a couple days ago, of all things.
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
There's not much you can do against that kind of spam other than be patient and figure out which moves will work best against them.
Is anyone around to play?
Is anyone around to play?