Captain Rage Quit 69
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It's not that hard, we can play doubles and you can be the Mewtwo while I be the Kirby!
Wait, that doesn't seem right...
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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U DLC |OT2| Lucas comes out of Nowhere!
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It's not that hard, we can play doubles and you can be the Mewtwo while I be the Kirby!
Wait, that doesn't seem right...
Felt like playing the ditto because it's fun to go all out and play offensively for most of the games.
It was totally great how one mistake would fuck either of us up.
Saved some replays of the really cool matches too, Falcon dittos are probably the most fun dittos in the game
SolarKnight
Member
I swear it's as if sometimes I forget my own shield exists >.>
Haha yea. I definitely saved that match that had the first stock ending with a falcon punch and the second stock with the knee to tech'd stage spike to up-b away from stage to another knee.
Karsticles
Member
Why is every mother fucker lagging out the ass on For Glory tonight.
Shamrock7r
Member
Why are you even playing for glory you should know better
SolarKnight
Member
GGs Juni, that Olimar/Alph was giving me issues, specially punishing my rolling back to stage lol
Say what you want about Crescent Slash and how easy it is to sd with it, but I'll be damned if having the only true grab release combo with it at kill percents doesn't feel good.
Say what you want about Crescent Slash and how easy it is to sd with it, but I'll be damned if having the only true grab release combo with it at kill percents doesn't feel good.
Karsticles
Member
Better than playing the same few here over and over. I need matchup experience.
Shamrock7r
Member
Anthers ladder
NamikazeBurst
Member
That has its own hassle of constantly having to add people, and there aren't always a lot of people playing.
Shamrock7r
Member
Still offers a better experience in terms of getting better at a competitive level. Plus you can play multiple stages
NamikazeBurst
Member
But you can't play on Omega Kalos, and that is like -100 fun points.
Anonymous Tipster
Member
I'm getting stoked for NW Battlegrounds 2 tomorrow. It'll be the first local tourny I've participated since I moved to Seattle, and the first Smash 4 one I've partook in outside of GAF.
Anyone wanna warm me up?
Anyone wanna warm me up?
SolarKnight
Member
Anyone still up for a couple of matches before bed?
Nice, you better Metal Blade their asses good :v
Edit: I'll play
Nice, you better Metal Blade their asses good :v
Edit: I'll play
Anonymous Tipster
Member
SolarKnight
Member
Damn, and that first stock was going so well :T
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Karsticles
Member
Jigg mains:
This character is seriously fun. I have only gotten two rests off because it scares the crap out of me. Right now, my biggest issue is that when I get a hit in at low %,, I get punished. What can I do to avoid this?
This character is seriously fun. I have only gotten two rests off because it scares the crap out of me. Right now, my biggest issue is that when I get a hit in at low %,, I get punished. What can I do to avoid this?
How is Washington? My wife wants to move there.
Anonymous Tipster
Member
Customs on? Do GAF proud with that Blue Bomber of yours.
Thanks! Yup, customs on.
It's fantastic. This summer has been stupid warm, but if you don't mind misty rain in the non-summer months, perfect. Plus if you're a hiker, it's the best you'll find anywhere.
Edit: Lylat giveth, and lylat taketh. :x
A couple more Solar, and then I'm gonna call it a night!
NamikazeBurst
Member
Haha, guy on FG thought he could wall jump on Omega Kalos!
Anonymous Tipster
Member
You're a monster.
Similar to how I feel with Bowser... not quite that much though. My sympathies.
The first few hits you land as Jigglypuff are always the hardest because as you noticed, they don't have knockback. After 25% or so you're safe on hit. I'd suggest trying to play as safe as possible in the early percents, take what hits you can and get out until Jigglypuff's moves give you proper knockback. Pound should be safe on hit even at the lowest percent, I like it as a crossup attack myself. You need to watch your opponent's percent - you have one opportunity to carry an opponent off the stage to the blast zone with a wall of pain, usually around 50-60%. That is the critical time. Around 65-80% is when you can land a rest kill that is likely to send your opponent into a star KO, giving Jigglypuff time to recover before your opponent comes back. If they make it past those percentages you'll have to work harder to get them to 100%+ and hit them with a bair or finally a couple good fairs for the kill. Worst comes to worst, you can kill most characters with a pound at around 150%. Don't forget dair as a mixup to catch people who are used to fade-away fair/nairs. Dair has a vacuum effect but you can't just drag opponents around with it, don't overshoot and miss the last hit.
Jigglypuff is rewarding to play against for glory players and is easy enough to pick up, but expect to be as frustrated as when you play Bowser/Mewtwo when you encounter good players.
NamikazeBurst
Member
Well, he uses Mario and Yoshi, so he shouldn't have been Mario that match.
SolarKnight
Member
The worst way ever to find out you can't walljump on Omega Kalos is to up B with Lucario directly to its side :|
Ggs Tipster, parents are kicking me out of the console.
Ggs Tipster, parents are kicking me out of the console.
Anonymous Tipster
Member
Good games Solar! Thanks for playing!
SolarKnight
Member
Getting MM match up experience was nice.
I'm not sure if I'm just not feeling Fox lately or if my Marth just got better than it :/
I'm not sure if I'm just not feeling Fox lately or if my Marth just got better than it :/
Anonymous Tipster
Member
Marth was the tougher match up this time, and I'd say in big part to the Up + B custom. Makes him really hard to gimp, where as your Fox custom makes it even easier than normal Fox. :/
SolarKnight
Member
Oh good, someone actually acknowledges that point :v
That's true although Marth's certainly has...issues of its own lol
Still, I was mostly talking in reference to approaching and actually getting hits.
Megalosaro
Banned
I was playing on the Miiverse stage today as Lucas and saw a message that read "Winning won't bring mummy back."
;_;
;_;
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
BRB maining... that blue-haired swordsman...
Holy shit
I said Holy shit
Professor Beef
Banned
That person aint wrong.
Karsticles
Member
How is the humidity? What kind of work do you do?
Thanks for this! If I land an Fair late in my jump, am I unsafe? It feels that way. I should use Pound instead, then?
Yeah, I don't know why all of my characters are so messed up. I can even deal with the ledge grabbing issue Bowser has, but I am NOT happy when someone DIs out of Bowser Bomb.
SolarKnight
Member
Beef quick question for you since you're a Villager main. How do you feel about the Marcina match up? One of our top guys here prefers to go with them over his custom Palu for that match up and I was wondering if that actually was a good idea or not.
Anonymous Tipster
Member
I'ma find you a Marth amiibo.
The humidity has literally never bothered me here. There is some, but I've lived in NY and Maryland, where the humidity is way higher. Seattle has about 3 months of absolutely amazing weather by most people's metrics (80's, sunny/no rain), 5 months of what I call amazing weather (high 60's - 70s, occasional rain, a little overcast) and 4 months of what I consider a nice winter (50's, very little snow). Can't beat it.
I work in software, and there's tons of opportunity out here for that.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
If I see Marth in my mailbox I'm going to set one of my taunts to "MegaMan2 Suuuucks"
And spam it in every game we play.
While using Yellow Yoshi.
On Omega Pac-Land.
Also, you call that a winter? Shit sounds more like fall weather to me, hit me up when it dips into the negatives every other week and you gotta shovel your driveway as part of your morning routine.
Heck, I don't even think Chicago is as bad as up north in that weirdo maple moose country.Okay I'm going to bed now
NamikazeBurst
Member
If I see Marth in my mailbox I'm going to set one of my taunts to "MegaMan2 Suuuucks"
And spam it in every game we play.
While using Yellow Yoshi.
On Omega Pac-Land.
Also, you call that a winter? Shit sounds more like fall weather to me, hit me up when it dips into the negatives every other week and you gotta shovel your driveway as part of your morning routine.
Okay I'm going to bed now
Hmm? What country might you be talking about? Surely you can't be talking about Canada, 'cause "weirdo" is not an applicable adjective to describe it.
What the hell kinda temperatures are you weirdos using? Get with the rest of the world and use Celsius, or if you really want, Kelvin.
Professor Beef
Banned
Default Palu automatically makes the Villager matchup an exercise in frustration thanks to her Reflect. If they're actually intelligent with using it, then RIP in peace.
As for Martha, it's slightly different than fighting Marth. With him you have to watch your distance because if your spacing is off then you eat a tipper. Martha doesn't have tippers but that also means she doesn't have to watch her distance when attacking, so she can go all-in. You fight both of them mostly the same way, though. Properly-spaced slingshots, and making them take to the air by bombarding them with Lloyds and punishing their attempts to get around them. Neither of them have a direct answer to any of Chillager's attacks aside from bulldog attempts. And if they mess that up, then they're done for.
Spent about an hour trying to get consistent short hop fast fall fairs with Sheik. After all that, went into for glory and all my short hop fair business went to shit of course.
Fair right as you land next to someone is unsafe, pound is almost always safe on hit, so if you know their shield isn't up... that would be one to use. Or you could train out that habit, and only attack from diagonally above - easier said than done and not always possible. If you're about to hit the ground you might be better served by just getting there and getting into a grab or jabs (btw, the first jabs on hit can almost always chain into a second jab). Also, going to revise my % estimate for walls of pain to 50-70% depending on the character. There's a percent where the fair knocks them too far away and becomes hard to chain, optimally you want to reach that percent right as they die from the wall of pain.
I love Bowser and certainly won't drop him, but I'm sick of feeling like I lost because I'm using a character with slow rolls/spotdodges/airdodges/attacks, among other problems. If I play the best character in the game, I know that when I lose it's because I did something wrong. Right now I'm at about a 2 or 3 hour Sheik. My combos are incredibly sloppy and I'm doing a lot of playing with my food. But I never feel out of control of the match. It's not that the other person was too good, it's that I couldn't properly control this slippery Ferrari that is Sheik.
On a side note, I'm a little miffed at how easy it is to ledge trump with Sheik. Due to her fall speed and air speed/momentum attributes, there's no difficult 270 degree motion required like with Bowser. It's literally just "run off the ledge then quickly hold towards the stage." It should be that way for every character
Fair right as you land next to someone is unsafe, pound is almost always safe on hit, so if you know their shield isn't up... that would be one to use. Or you could train out that habit, and only attack from diagonally above - easier said than done and not always possible. If you're about to hit the ground you might be better served by just getting there and getting into a grab or jabs (btw, the first jabs on hit can almost always chain into a second jab). Also, going to revise my % estimate for walls of pain to 50-70% depending on the character. There's a percent where the fair knocks them too far away and becomes hard to chain, optimally you want to reach that percent right as they die from the wall of pain.
I love Bowser and certainly won't drop him, but I'm sick of feeling like I lost because I'm using a character with slow rolls/spotdodges/airdodges/attacks, among other problems. If I play the best character in the game, I know that when I lose it's because I did something wrong. Right now I'm at about a 2 or 3 hour Sheik. My combos are incredibly sloppy and I'm doing a lot of playing with my food. But I never feel out of control of the match. It's not that the other person was too good, it's that I couldn't properly control this slippery Ferrari that is Sheik.
On a side note, I'm a little miffed at how easy it is to ledge trump with Sheik. Due to her fall speed and air speed/momentum attributes, there's no difficult 270 degree motion required like with Bowser. It's literally just "run off the ledge then quickly hold towards the stage." It should be that way for every character
Seriously, charge shot Kirby scares the crap out of me. The benefit of the charge shot is offset for samus sucking, Kirby doesn't suck and has it anywaysz even gets a better version that razes the ground
Also, saw a bowser that edge guarded with Bowser Bomb, doing it so it would grab the ledge and ko someone. Pretty nifty and nothing to do against good timing.
Karsticles
Member
Those were in Kelvin, man. We're rolling in ice down here.
In all seriousness, converting to the metric system is something every educated American wants. The problem is that more than half of this country is witless, so we argue about stuff like whether our country would be better off if billionaires had more money instead.
That sounds great!
Haha, poor guy.Spent about an hour trying to get consistent short hop fast fall fairs with Sheik. After all that, went into for glory and all my short hop fair business went to shit of course.
Fair right as you land next to someone is unsafe, pound is almost always safe on hit, so if you know their shield isn't up... that would be one to use. Or you could train out that habit, and only attack from diagonally above - easier said than done and not always possible. If you're about to hit the ground you might be better served by just getting there and getting into a grab or jabs (btw, the first jabs on hit can almost always chain into a second jab). Also, going to revise my % estimate for walls of pain to 50-70% depending on the character. There's a percent where the fair knocks them too far away and becomes hard to chain, optimally you want to reach that percent right as they die from the wall of pain.
I love Bowser and certainly won't drop him, but I'm sick of feeling like I lost because I'm using a character with slow rolls/spotdodges/airdodges/attacks, among other problems. If I play the best character in the game, I know that when I lose it's because I did something wrong. Right now I'm at about a 2 or 3 hour Sheik. My combos are incredibly sloppy and I'm doing a lot of playing with my food. But I never feel out of control of the match. It's not that the other person was too good, it's that I couldn't properly control this slippery Ferrari that is Sheik.
On a side note, I'm a little miffed at how easy it is to ledge trump with Sheik. Due to her fall speed and air speed/momentum attributes, there's no difficult 270 degree motion required like with Bowser. It's literally just "run off the ledge then quickly hold towards the stage." It should be that way for every character
Thanks for the Jiggs tips.
I do this all the time. If you aim it right, it also beats 4/5 ledge get up options. Nothing in this game makes you feel like a boss like running up to a ledge and doing this.
R
Rösti
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I'm a bit confused regarding in what thread I should post, but I hope this is the right place. I haven't played in quite a while but updated firmware etc. yesterday and uploaded some of my custom stages.
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACNUKFIPPW9Wg
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACXVHhmqP9q2A
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACNUKFIPQXmug
I'm Rösti in the community too, so you should be able to find these quite easily. They are quite hectic stages where you simply can't mash buttons, you gotta be careful to not make mistakes. The images above are also of the whole stage, it's different in-game where you don't see all terrain/obstacles.
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACNUKFIPPW9Wg
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACXVHhmqP9q2A
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYQHAAABAACNUKFIPQXmug
I'm Rösti in the community too, so you should be able to find these quite easily. They are quite hectic stages where you simply can't mash buttons, you gotta be careful to not make mistakes. The images above are also of the whole stage, it's different in-game where you don't see all terrain/obstacles.
Blackquill
Member
Thanks, so being patient and attacking during the startup is the key. Ganon is not the best character in the game, but you really need to be cautious with him, everything he does is dangerous and it can really went wrong quickly.
Gimmick levels tend to be fun for fooling around, but they also get stale rather quickly and are often heavily unbalanced towards certain characters. Something you should watch out for is the fact that players can tech against any wall (including lava), which means that a good enough player can basically survive forever as long as they keep getting flung into a wall. It's the reason why I think remaking Peach's Castle N64 would not work anymore, since the triangle-shaped platforms allow teching.
While I did make some larger stages at first, I later went on to making simpler stages which would work for 1v1s, and it's a real pain to make sure you aren't giving any characters a particularily easy or hard time in there.
All this reminds me that I'm kind of annoyed that the stage editor ended up being almost as bare-bones as Brawl's in spite of the node-based ground creation... would it have killed them to keep ice (maybe as a modifier like lava), conveyor belts, ferris wheels and other nifty props like that? We didn't even get the Great Cave Offensive lava, now that I think about it.
Edit @Blackquill: You should probably try approaching the match-up through theorycrafting. Any smash attack Ganon tries can be stuffed by a jab or tilt from most characters, his down B is very unsafe on block, and forward B can get punished badly or interrupted by any projectile; on top of that, his regular grab has pitiful range and leaves him wide open. If you look at it from Ganondorf's perspective, it means that his main "safe" options would be those with low start-up, such as his tilts, jabs and properly spaced aerials. He can't stay in place doing those and hoping you walk into them, though, so you know he'll have to shield and space well (with his awful grounded and aerial movement speeds) while looking for an opening to rack up the damage.
You should also be aware that his tilts do have KO potential, so it isn't like he always has to go for a slow smash attack to wrap things up. His aerials tend to be better, though, but he exposes himself to their landing lag should you shield or avoid them.
Offstage Ganon is often as good as dead if your character has any decent ledgeguarding options. His only options are knocking you away with uair or bair (since the other moves take him too long to recover from), air dodging, forward B or up B, which are both easily punishable with projectiles or attacking them from their blind spots.
While I did make some larger stages at first, I later went on to making simpler stages which would work for 1v1s, and it's a real pain to make sure you aren't giving any characters a particularily easy or hard time in there.
All this reminds me that I'm kind of annoyed that the stage editor ended up being almost as bare-bones as Brawl's in spite of the node-based ground creation... would it have killed them to keep ice (maybe as a modifier like lava), conveyor belts, ferris wheels and other nifty props like that? We didn't even get the Great Cave Offensive lava, now that I think about it.
Edit @Blackquill: You should probably try approaching the match-up through theorycrafting. Any smash attack Ganon tries can be stuffed by a jab or tilt from most characters, his down B is very unsafe on block, and forward B can get punished badly or interrupted by any projectile; on top of that, his regular grab has pitiful range and leaves him wide open. If you look at it from Ganondorf's perspective, it means that his main "safe" options would be those with low start-up, such as his tilts, jabs and properly spaced aerials. He can't stay in place doing those and hoping you walk into them, though, so you know he'll have to shield and space well (with his awful grounded and aerial movement speeds) while looking for an opening to rack up the damage.
You should also be aware that his tilts do have KO potential, so it isn't like he always has to go for a slow smash attack to wrap things up. His aerials tend to be better, though, but he exposes himself to their landing lag should you shield or avoid them.
Offstage Ganon is often as good as dead if your character has any decent ledgeguarding options. His only options are knocking you away with uair or bair (since the other moves take him too long to recover from), air dodging, forward B or up B, which are both easily punishable with projectiles or attacking them from their blind spots.
Karsticles
Member
Still around?
yes, our connection is too laggy though. we tried a couple of times
Karsticles
Member
Doesn't hurt to try again!
Doesn't hurt to try again!
alright. room is open