Now he fsmashed and Sheik managed to DI out of the second hit. So rough.
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Now he fsmashed and Sheik managed to DI out of the second hit. So rough.
Anonymous Tipster
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That set was incredibly close. Two of those games c/should've been loses for him.
Snacks the sober sea lion
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It would be close if Sheik wasn't so absurd. ZeRo is clearly above other Sheiks, but yeah.
Out_Of_Ammo
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Abadango da GOD
Shamrock7r
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I will play
Alright, room's up.
Nairo choked. I don't think character johns are really valid here, Nairo just dropped stuff he shouldn't have. Zero played steady the whole time. The first match he lost his first stock really quick, but didn't falter at all and brought it back. He played clutch under pressure. If that's all that makes the difference, that's plenty.
Edit: also we've seen a number of ill-advised character switches this whole top 8. None of them have worked out... Strange that 3 top players can lose confidence in their character in 1 round... the best of 3 matches probably have something to do with that.
Out_Of_Ammo
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That's what you get for picking Rosalina.
I wish he's stop tier whoring, he went from diddy to Shiek. Should've stuck with diddy
Karsticles
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Noooo. Come on Mr. R. 
No one even picked Mewtwo. Might as well have been banned.
Haha. Hey, he got to top 8 with Pac. Be happy he can do that much.
No one even picked Mewtwo. Might as well have been banned.
Captain Rage Quit 69
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Let me guess.
Zero's gonna win again.
Zero's gonna win again.
NamikazeBurst
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Do you people mean unused on stream? Because I find it hard to believe a character wasn't picked at some point out of nearly 2000 people.
Karsticles
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We all win if Sheik wins.
There was a Zelda and Peach on stream.
Snacks the sober sea lion
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Sheik vs. Sheik grand finals.
No thanks.
No thanks.
Did we get a full list of unused characters?
Mewtwo, samus, Ike, Zelda, peach? Ganondorf? Robin?
Overall it was a great representation of the cast, sad my main wasn't around
Here's some spreadsheet I found: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...ehNNiwyVNyyYmCGQMJ358/htmlview?sle=true#gid=0 I think it's for streamed matches only, though.
Did we get a full list of unused characters?
Mewtwo, samus, Ike, Zelda, peach? Ganondorf? Robin?
Overall it was a great representation of the cast, sad my main wasn't around
There was a Zelda used against Fox. She got destroyed
Captain Rage Quit 69
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At least it's more entertaining to watch than the hoo-ha sessions before.
Mr. R is our only hope, otherwise we really are all frauds.
Snacks the sober sea lion
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One Greninja. One.
Good jobs with those nerfs, guys. Meanwhile, two Sheiks made it to grand finals.
I am going to be 80 years old and still upset about what they did to Greninja.
ZeRo went Diddy though, which I was hoping for.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
This is not looking good for Mr. R
NamikazeBurst
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ZeRo would still win.
Snacks the sober sea lion
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Nice knowing you, Diddy Kong
Captain Rage Quit 69
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Zero could use Zelda with the worst customs and still win.
Glad to see him win with diddy
I've seen him use characters he doesn't main. It's not pretty
Snacks the sober sea lion
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That's definitely not true. His character knowledge doesn't match his performance.
NamikazeBurst
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Damn, I wasn't looking at the end.
Captain Rage Quit 69
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Well, rip Sm4sh. It was nice to dream of beating Zero.
Now what?
Now what?
Snacks the sober sea lion
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The nerfs haven't changed what made Diddy fundamentally good in neutral, they just took most of his KO power. Same with the Sheik nerfs. The recent patch showed that they have a better understanding now of why characters like Ike and Falco were weak, but they still seem hesitant to change what makes certain characters so fundamentally better than everyone else.
except for greninja rip frog
Karsticles
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All I wanted was Sheik vs. Sheik Grand Finals.
Now Diddy will get nerfed again, and who knows about Sheik. :-(
Lol @ giving them fight sticks.
Now Diddy will get nerfed again, and who knows about Sheik. :-(
Lol @ giving them fight sticks.
Thing about ZSS is she has many similar tools to Sheik, but with greater risk/reward setups. She kills significantly earlier, hits harder and does more damage per hit. Her dthrow followups are more guaranteed than Sheik's also. In return for these advantages, she has a tether throw. Nairo knows what kind of character he's playing, he could easily play Sheik if he wanted to.
Sheik has to work so hard for the kill, I don't think anything needs to be nerfed outside of needle priority as I've said. The games with Mr. R were a perfect showcase of Sheik's problems killing. Especially with the rage mechanic in this game, a safe Sheik player at 70% vs a character with an early kill setup (ZSS up b, Wario waft etc etc) at 150% is basically an even game.
I'm more interested in the conclusion on customs than all that though. For all the hype and claims of jank that customs were going to introduce, they didn't have much of an effect outside of allowing certain players to get further with otherwise unviable characters like Wii Fit Trainer. This EVO is actually a good showing for customs - it allows characters to make slight matchup adjustments, and gave other characters a chance. Top 8 would have been the same with or without customs. All of that ESAM customs jank rarely came into play - in his top 8 I don't recall him getting a single KO off a heavy skull bash. The caliber of player he was playing just wasn't going to give him the opportunity, or let him style with the thunder wave custom. I'd be happy to continue playing with customs, and I don't see anything coming out of this tournament that contradicts that.
Sheik has to work so hard for the kill, I don't think anything needs to be nerfed outside of needle priority as I've said. The games with Mr. R were a perfect showcase of Sheik's problems killing. Especially with the rage mechanic in this game, a safe Sheik player at 70% vs a character with an early kill setup (ZSS up b, Wario waft etc etc) at 150% is basically an even game.
I'm more interested in the conclusion on customs than all that though. For all the hype and claims of jank that customs were going to introduce, they didn't have much of an effect outside of allowing certain players to get further with otherwise unviable characters like Wii Fit Trainer. This EVO is actually a good showing for customs - it allows characters to make slight matchup adjustments, and gave other characters a chance. Top 8 would have been the same with or without customs. All of that ESAM customs jank rarely came into play - in his top 8 I don't recall him getting a single KO off a heavy skull bash. The caliber of player he was playing just wasn't going to give him the opportunity, or let him style with the thunder wave custom. I'd be happy to continue playing with customs, and I don't see anything coming out of this tournament that contradicts that.
She [Sheik] still has WAY better kill options than a ton of characters though...
It's not "work" when all of your neutral options are safe.
Snacks the sober sea lion
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Yeah, saying Sheik has to "work" hard for KO's is pretty insulting to all of the characters who can't accidentally get a KO while recovering.
Phantom Flapjack
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Alright Out_Of_Ammo and any other bracket 2 peeps, I'm available for the next several hours. Otherwise I'll be watching Competitive Catherine or practicing on For Glory
Karsticles
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ESAM got a Heavy Skull Bash KO or two.
Sheik is bullshit even beyond needles. Her Fair and Ftilt need hitbox nerfs. Up B should have no invincibility.
Major roll nerf needed. You can hardly tell when she is rolling because it ends so fast.
Sheik KOs often at around 110%. Very normal. Sometimes she makes lots of mistakes, and then it drags to 150%+. Still, that isn't saying much from a character that gets you to 60% after two hits converted into combos.
Sheik is bullshit even beyond needles. Her Fair and Ftilt need hitbox nerfs. Up B should have no invincibility.
Major roll nerf needed. You can hardly tell when she is rolling because it ends so fast.
Sheik KOs often at around 110%. Very normal. Sometimes she makes lots of mistakes, and then it drags to 150%+. Still, that isn't saying much from a character that gets you to 60% after two hits converted into combos.
Rofl. Ain't that the truth.
Shamrock7r
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GGs Thulius. Nice characters, particularly Greninja. It's been awhile since we played
NamikazeBurst
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ESAM definitely got a bunch of his wins from customs. I remember seeing lots of paralysis chains into HSB, or even 1 paralysis in HSB or Usmash at 90%.
When the number one character in the game is Sheik, and Sheik's customs are pretty much player's choice, of course not a ton of customs will be seen. That doesn't stop Sonic, Rosalina, and Diddy having some crazy customs. So what if Kong Cyclone wasn't in the top 8. It is still an extremely powerful move that gives too much for too little.
When the number one character in the game is Sheik, and Sheik's customs are pretty much player's choice, of course not a ton of customs will be seen. That doesn't stop Sonic, Rosalina, and Diddy having some crazy customs. So what if Kong Cyclone wasn't in the top 8. It is still an extremely powerful move that gives too much for too little.