Alright host, or do you want me to host?
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U DLC |OT2| Lucas comes out of Nowhere!
- Thread starter IntelliHeath
- Start date
Alright host, or do you want me to host?
But you use Link sometimes don't you?
Samus' grab isn't that shitty. The range is absurd.
yeah the range on Samus' grab is crazy
decent followups after it too
the only bad thing about it is the atrocious endlag if it misses
Oh okay I will host now.
Just for shits and giggles. I'm actually happy they buffed his grab because a) link isn't so crap now and b) it gives me hope other tethers Will be buffed. Link's grab was so garbage before.But you use Link sometimes don't you?
Samus' grab isn't that shitty. The range is absurd.
Samus grab has good range and can be useful for catching landings, especially pivot ones when someone's trying yo hit you with an aerial. But the range doesnt help at all when you have such long start up and cool down just a roll in means you might die, and it's not like one can do much against roll ins with samus. Zss one is just as slow, but it can get you a kill at like 40%, links from paralyzer and ahe's much faster so it's easier to get.
Samus can get a combo throw that's easily DIable and an up throw that kills at 200%
I'd be okay if Pac-Man could throw Yoshi eggs for the longest grab distance in the whole game. That or if he could spindash while doing his grab animation.
NamikazeBurst
Member
How do I DI the down throw to fair combo?
Yoshi can kill with a forward throw at the ledge at like 300%. Best throw in the game.
He probably has the best grab release in the game at least.
NamikazeBurst
Member
I don't even know how many characters it works on. A lot of them can just shield right before I can jab, some can even jab first. Grab release doesn't work in Yoshi dittos
But it is good against certain characters.
Then again, best grab release isn't saying much. Who else ever goes for a grab release except for at the ledge for tricks?
I go for grab releases, if you over mash you get hit by a charge shot in the face
Someone gave the tip that you can fire a super missile in this scenario, where it forces them you use the second jump and lets you fish for a charge shot. So that's cute.
Just di away, down back I suppose. With good di you're not getting any follow ups because of how slow samus horizontal speed is.
Someone gave the tip that you can fire a super missile in this scenario, where it forces them you use the second jump and lets you fish for a charge shot. So that's cute.
I don't even know how many characters it works on. A lot of them can just shield right before I can jab, some can even jab first. Grab release doesn't work in Yoshi dittos
But it is good against certain characters.
Then again, best grab release isn't saying much. Who else ever goes for a grab release except for at the ledge for tricks?
Hey i'm not saying that it's some great thing. Just that it has at least something going for it.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
There's gotta be some big event in the midwest you guys can go to so I get to meet Gaf friends, isn't there?
Take pictures and tell us your experience when all's said and done. :3
Very good beast of a little Mac, Pac-Man couldn't do anything against him, had to switch to the Capitan right away. Even then still took some games to adapt.
Who else do you play?
My best by far is Little Mac. Behind him is Ganondorf, Jigglypuff and Ryu. You can probably judge how well I am with other characters by how well that Ganondorf match went lol.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Anyone wanna play for funsies?
Anonymous Tipster
Member
Anyone wanna play for funsies?
I'll play a bit!
Probably will be a little serious though. ;d
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
We've got some unfinished business then. I'll bring the blue bird, you bring the Blue Bomber!
Can't guarantee good matches though, last time I used Falco was the last time we played.
Anonymous Tipster
Member
We've got some unfinished business then. I'll bring the blue bird, you bring the Blue Bomber!
Can't guarantee good matches though, last time I used Falco was the last time we played.
Still can't believe they went with "Full Metal Hero" instead of "The Blue Bomber" in the US. Europes got the right of it.
Well its not like Ganondorf is exactly the best character out there though lol, I think also all the characters I used against him are bad MUS for him. You also used Was though!
Was?
What's Was lol?
EDIT: Also, what was up with that glitched out grab that happened on Dream Land? Does that also happen on the Wii U version?
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Just returning the favor.
Edit: I forgot how to tech, it seems.
Edit: I forgot how to tech, it seems.
Karsticles
Member
SOME specials need landing lag. Imagine Bowser dair without it. Most shouldn't have any.
Lots of stuff bothers me about Yoshi, but if the rest of the cast was buffed to his level, nothing about him would be too crazy.
Agreed on all of this.
I will pick up Wolf and Ridley when they release.Y'all better get good with Yoshi because I need practice. Can't shadow box in Smash
Here I am, so unselfish, where I let you practice against high tier characters like Yoshi and Luigi, and if you want, you can even play my Sheik. Eventually I will have Lucario, Toon Link, and Donkey Kong in the line-up for practice. The least you guys could do is play Yoshi so I can get some practice.
Samus is Was oops, the tablet auto correct was being dumb.
Also not sure, never seen it happen before.
Ah, Samus is a character I've been trying out recently. Same with Robin. I generally don't like characters that use a ton of projectiles, but I like them for some reason. Partially because I got around to playing Super Metroid and Awakening recently.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Mario is stupid easy to do good with, holy crap.
I tend to prefer rush down types, but in Smash I play mostly characters from the franchises I like. Luckily captain Falcon's play style is my favorite.
I have rarely tried out the Mario, I remote felt really good to play as in the demo, but when I had the full roster I just went to my previous mains plus Shulk.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Okay so Lylat Cruise is the worst Charizard stage ever.
Mega Man makes Charizard's life a living hell.
Charizard's armor is useless against windboxes.
Okay.
GGs Tipster, it's become clear to me that Doc is a worse Mario, but not by much (until he goes off-stage). You've been using a lot more pellets and you caught me several times with the utilt. Trying out new things? :O Also surprised you went back to default Crash Bomber, unless Evo scared everyone off customs. Still, I think I actually did well with my mustache boys, and Falco didn't get as thoroughly destroyed this time. Thanks for the matches!
Edit: did I forget to mention we took a vacation to SD city because that was fun
Mega Man makes Charizard's life a living hell.
Charizard's armor is useless against windboxes.
Okay.
GGs Tipster, it's become clear to me that Doc is a worse Mario, but not by much (until he goes off-stage). You've been using a lot more pellets and you caught me several times with the utilt. Trying out new things? :O Also surprised you went back to default Crash Bomber, unless Evo scared everyone off customs. Still, I think I actually did well with my mustache boys, and Falco didn't get as thoroughly destroyed this time. Thanks for the matches!
Edit: did I forget to mention we took a vacation to SD city because that was fun
NamikazeBurst
Member
If everyone was buffed to Yoshi's level, Yoshi would be the lowest tier. Would you be happy then?
Wolf will probably be the highest tier character you play if he is released. After the latest patch, the space animals are both good to great. Ridley will have all the complaints that you have for Mewtwo. His moves will look like they have a lot of range, but the hit boxes will be messed up. Of course he will never be made, so this doesn't matter.
Paper Mario will be a ballot character. If he isn't, then I will not have a new main
But what in specific, I want to see our write down on the character.
Anonymous Tipster
Member
Good games Captain! I'm always surprised at the momentum and speed of Falco's aerials. I know everyone says he's terrible, but from my Mega Man tinted glasses, I really hate playing that match up.
And speaking of match ups I hate, it's our friendly mustachioed Marios. Phew, that shits rough. I think I prefer the Doc match up slightly, but he's super risky to try to gimp off stage with the priority on the Down B and Up B. And I still think the pills are great projectile. Dat trajectory.
Mario though, I'm usually pretty unfazed when I get killed unexpectedly, but that time you were landing a Dair and I shot off an almost full charge Mega Buster from like, 1 cm away, just to have it caped at me. Phew. I had to take a breather.
I know he's got virtually no landing lag, but fuck if it doesn't surprise me every god damn time.
Still, you're good with 'em and I still maintain your strength in this game is the footsies. By playing characters like Mario, you can really capitalize on it and it shows in my humble opinion. You'd probably have a sick Sheik if you put the time in.
One thing I would say, with Doc, I had trouble with the dude at locals when he would approach with a short hop fast fall bair. Over and over. His hurt box shifts and the hit box comes out so quickly that even with my disjoints it is incredibly hard to space and time correctly and not eat it. Plus it kills, so, maybe try to work that in a bit more.
Your Charizard is good, but he's not really a character that fits your style I wouldn't say. I think you're better off sticking with your normal guys.
I have been working in some new stuff, yeah! I've always tended to avoid super risky moves (which are like... all of Mega Man's kill moves) unless guaranteed, but that's super limiting and makes my life the worst when every stock takes to 180%. So I've been on the look out for Up Tilt opportunities and trying to work some pellets in. Still have some button input flubs, as you witnessed with that sick turn-around-wiff up-tilt against Doc at the end there.
All in all, great stuff. Thanks for playing!
Anonymous Tipster
Member
Y'all better get good with Yoshi because I need practice. Can't shadow box in Smash
Here I am, so unselfish, where I let you practice against high tier characters like Yoshi and Luigi, and if you want, you can even play my Sheik. Eventually I will have Lucario, Toon Link, and Donkey Kong in the line-up for practice. The least you guys could do is play Yoshi so I can get some practice.
You want some Pink Yoshi dittos right now? I was really feeling it last night.
NamikazeBurst
Member
No. Why would I want to play as that fiend?
Anonymous Tipster
Member
Because you know deep down, Pink Yoshi is the one true god.
But if you can't handle divinity, you can stick with your godless blue yoshi, I guess.
NamikazeBurst
Member
Well I don't believe in God, so I guess Blue Yoshi fits me perfectly!
I don't feel like playing tonight. I'll play you tomorrow if you're available.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
I'll respond in more detail later Tipster, but it would seem that I should start taking Sheik seriously for better or for worse.
My training begins anew!
My training begins anew!
Damn those were great! I try not to go for anything too crazy with Zelda just because of how risky it is.
Anyways, later on I'll upload a video of me vs a really good Little Mac. It was almost perfect, but I got a little over-confident on the 2nd stock and took a few hits
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
I'm playing Pit and Edge Pit again to practice walking and spacing instead of just running and short hopping.
I played as ROB and why has this character disappeared? I know probably because of the Sheik matchup, but it's a ton of tools and good frame data on a character who's really easy to use.
I played as ROB and why has this character disappeared? I know probably because of the Sheik matchup, but it's a ton of tools and good frame data on a character who's really easy to use.
A lot of ROB mains I knew were pissed off at the huge uthrow nerf. Being able to set people up to his grabs is a big part of his character which means he had a pretty reliable kill option.
Also seeing a lot of communities moving back to non customs after EVO. I have issues with this as people know, but really the biggest peeve is the dumb 1111/2222/3333 Miis only rule. It's so arbitrary, and is a half assed compromise for characters that are meant to have varied movesets. Just ban Miis out right or let all customs + Miis rock because banning them after about 6 months is the dumbest thing.
Also seeing a lot of communities moving back to non customs after EVO. I have issues with this as people know, but really the biggest peeve is the dumb 1111/2222/3333 Miis only rule. It's so arbitrary, and is a half assed compromise for characters that are meant to have varied movesets. Just ban Miis out right or let all customs + Miis rock because banning them after about 6 months is the dumbest thing.
Karsticles
Member
Are you catching Metal Blade?
If everyone was buffed to Yoshi's level, Yoshi would be the lowest tier. Would you be happy then?
Wolf will probably be the highest tier character you play if he is released. After the latest patch, the space animals are both good to great. Ridley will have all the complaints that you have for Mewtwo. His moves will look like they have a lot of range, but the hit boxes will be messed up. Of course he will never be made, so this doesn't matter.
Paper Mario will be a ballot character. If he isn't, then I will not have a new main
Hyper armor on double jump means free recovery. Why? Sure, give him super armor, but hyper armor is stupid. It means he is ungimpable unless you get a footstool or Yoshi overextends himself.
Eggs have a massive explosive hitbox that occurs even when they collide with other projectiles. Their angle, hitbox, and ability to prop up Yoshi mean that he can pretty much outdone anyone. If Nami can tell me a character that beats Yoshi at the ranged game, I would be curious to know. The eggs should do 5% if they hit dead on, but only 1% from the explosive flash, and should absolutely not prop opponents up.
3 frame Nair...I don't see why this is even a thing. Even Jiggs has 7 frames of startup on her Nair.
Neutral B is incredibly safe and has minimal recovery. It should have more.
Yoshi's shield should break sooner since it doesn't diminish in protection over time like every other shield. Or just give him a normal shield.
Down B recovers extremely fast. It is basically an upgraded Bowser Bomb. Give it more landing lag.
Yeah, it was a bad nerf.
Wyndstryker
Member
Damn those were great! I try not to go for anything too crazy with Zelda just because of how risky it is.
Anyways, later on I'll upload a video of me vs a really good Little Mac. It was almost perfect, but I got a little over-confident on the 2nd stock and took a few hits
Speaking of perfect...
Cpt. Falcon JV3
Little Mac JV3
Noice! That Falcon player ws clearly very flustered and not playing well. Throwing Falcon Punch when ye were both at 0% is pretty silly!
Anyways, just uploaded 2 Zelda videos.
Neat little ending to a Mewtwo match
Little Mac
Nair to sweetspot bair/fair is something I actually need to work on. I've been able to land it against most characters, but I'm not sure what percents it's possible at. I've also been able to get nair to failling up-air, but that's like super hard to get and won't work against a good player that knows to just jump away.