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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U DLC |OT2| Lucas comes out of Nowhere!
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I'm actually just about to stop playing, but I'll be back on later
No sane person says 1.0.8 Falco is terrible. Every aerial except Bair got pretty significant buffs, and jab/Usmash finally actually work
Man that was painful to watch, only reason why'd you ever throw a Falcon Punch so early is if you are trying to hard read an air dodge out of a throw.
Not to mention the Falcon player immediately started with Raptoor Boost IN THE AIR after respawning "let me just waste my invincibility time"
Speaking of Falcon Punches, I sent you some replays with different Falcon Punch situations Julian. (3DS)
Actually I can play in about 20-30 minutes if you're still around. I was going to do a Splatoon speedrun, but I'll wait til tonight. I still need to learn a few things!
Wyndstryker
Member
I would think the main difference between us is that you combo up to do damage through tilts and nair, I sweetspot or smash my way to do damage. I also try to combo dair into everything alot too. Especially dair gimp into footstool. Best kill combo for Zelda.
Cyberman65
Member
I decided to go earlier this week, should be fun. Sucks that I didn't know you were going since we could have teamed (not sure how to register for doubles after doing your registration).
I'm not a fan of customs used in tournaments. I don't mind playing against them, but I feel like they weren't well made/balanced well for competitive play. The argument could go on forever. :/
Shamrock7r
Member
Anyone up for some early 1v1s?
Yea that is something I've noticed alright. I saw you going for a footstool at one point in one of the videos you posted but I wasn't actually sure if it was accidental or not. It made me think of trying it out myself, but intentionally footstooling someone is something I never do. I just never think of it
Karsticles
Member
Are you going to be able to do your ranbats this week?
I am 50/50 on customs. Still thinking on it. I kind of want to see how the next patch goes before committing. My #1 issue with customs is that Sakurai has no intention of balancing them, and I really don't want a game where top tier characters like Pikachu have an infinite into a kill move from a stray projectile.
Shamrock7r
Member
I'm the same. I enjoy customs for the most part, as the overall majority of them are harmless and add to the game. The problem is those few that completely change the game, and not in a good way
Yea that's how it all still works
Cool, thanks. I'll finally learn how to properly do this, then.
Karsticles
Member
I actually don't know what "Smash DI" means
I'm up for some games. I'll host.
Directional Influence. Basically you influence the direction of an attack you get hit by, its how ZeRo escaped the second hit of Zamus's forward smash in Winner's finals.
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Smash_directional_influence
Link goes more in-depth.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
In previous Smash titles, Smash Directional Influence refers to moving the control stick in a direction during hitstop (the very frames where the attack connects and the characters are paused if that makes sense) to shift a character in that direction before they're sent flying.
I don't think it's in Smash 4 though.
Smash 4's DI still isn't fully understood I believe, but it's generally accepted that when launched horizontally you vector towards the stage, and when launched vertically you use traditional DI and hold left or right depending on the situation.
Edit: to go further, traditional DI is holding a direction to influence the angle you're sent flying. This is different from Vectoring which influenced how far you're sent flying. With traditional DI in previous games, if you're sent flying horizontally you'd hold either up or down to change your angle, and if you're sent flying vertically you'd hold left or right to keep from flying straight up and potentially flying at a low enough angle to miss the blast zone.
Edit 2: To go into more detail on Smash DI, in Melee if you pressed left or right at the very moment Fox hits you with uair, you can shift your character out of the way of the second attack. This means that uair can be "dodged" during the attack.
Also, Smash DI was what enabled characters to escape multi-hit moves in previous ganes by shifting their way out. This made things difficult for Sonic, who had a lot of multi-hit moves that characters could simply Smash DI out of. The removal of Smash DI in this game should be pretty apparent if anyone's fought a Sonic or knows how to get out of the Halberd laser.
Hm, I don't know if I've noticed yet. I'll pay attention to that this time.
Ugh, and I can never recover with Diddy. I'll have to sit down and learn how that works.
Edit: Hm, can't say I've noticed the input lag.
Karsticles
Member
I know what DI is. Just not Smash DI. If it isn't in Smash 4, then no big deal.
Recover high with his side B. Only use up B if you have to.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
With Diddy, if you use his attacking side-B offstage your up-B is lost. Just warning you.
I still need to do/see actual testing on this. I smash DI all the time out of habit and it "works," but I have no idea whether it's actually any different than normal DI in 4.
Aaaaand you are dead to me.
Some multihit moves just don't have enough of a suction effect to work consistently, and it varies from character to character. ZSS's up B and Fsmash are both particularly bad in that regard, but they're far from the only offenders.
I know as Greninja I can just DI out of some moves that I really shouldn't be able to, and Sheik is pretty similar as far as size/weight/fall speed go so I wouldn't be surprised if she falls out of a lot of the same stuff.
Karsticles
Member
Zelda Main: "How do people use an awkward character like Captain Falcon?"
Yeah I don't get it Captain Falcon is one of the most, if not the most, newbie-friendly character in the game.
Wyndstryker
Member
Falcon is fun. Don't know how to play him well but I got the idea. Can probably do well if I practiced.
And I got a replay vs MK where I get a gimp dair to footstool kill on 1st stock, then hard read of dair -> fair combo for the 2nd stock. I'll upload it later. Mind you the MK is stupidly bad which is why I went for style points lol.
Yeah, that's why I've started playing Random. It's made me realize how terrible I am, and I plan to improve.
Edit: Dammit, didn't mean to do that.
Wyndstryker
Member
Just trying to do the challenges in single player helps me learn the other chars. Been going for the 20 crazy hand with mario challenge and it's actually getting me to learn him quite a bit.
Have you never touched any other characters?
I figured everyone at least spent a little time with every character just to get a feel for them when the game first came out, but maybe not.
Shamrock7r
Member
1v1 anyone
In Brawl you could use smash DI to very quickly escape a smart bomb's blast radius by repeatedly mashing (read: not holding) away from the explosion, for example. Now it doesn't look like it can be done, or at the very least not nearly as quickly as in Brawl.
SDI has to be in at least partially because it's still possible to escape the Halberd laser, and you're kept in hitstop through the whole thing. Maybe they've added a SDI multiplier to attacks to make multihit moves more useful or something.
Cyberman65
Member
I'll play, you can host.
I didn't. Until just very recently, there were plenty of characters I had never played as.
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
The only characters I've played less than 20 times I think would be Zelda, Lucina, Duck Hunt, and Ganondorf. I played Ganondorf really briefly on 3DS when trying out the heavies though.
And Sonic.
And Sonic.
Yeah I should be able to.
I just don't feel any customs outside of Heavy Skull Bash (with combination of Thunder Wave) deserve any banning. There isn't enough data to prove any of them banworthy yet.
And yes, I'm still saying Super Speed is not good as "broken" as you think, I mean it's a worse Sonic spin dash with cooldown on a much worse character. EVO also hasn't really shown much jank in top 32. Should we really ban all customs just because of a few? Lose out on customs Duck Hunt, Palutena, Ganondorf, Wario, Miis, etc?
Learn to catch the gyros, and toss them upwards, do not shield them. Shield lasers, avoid pivot grabs and normal grabs, ROB's grab range is pretty small but he'll use projectiles to condition you into them.
He's a big target, and prone to be juggled, so any character that can juggle well is a pretty bad matchup for him. Example: C. Falcon, Sheik, Diddy Kong, Fox
I'll probably finish playing Flux soon, so maybe like 10 minutes if you don't mind waiting
Cool!
Shamrock7r
Member
cool getting on
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
With regards to customs, Evo has shown that customs don't change things as drastically as I thought. The best players still place high, and more players would rather continue to play their own characters than switch to campy Villagers and Dongbender. I'm not in favor of customs, but I don't think they should be banned yet. Maybe ride out the rest of the year and see how we deal with them.
And at least there's always good old default.
And at least there's always good old default.
GGs. I'm still too weak... those were fun, though,
I'll play anyone else who's available.