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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U DLC |OT2| Lucas comes out of Nowhere!
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lol didn't even realize it
Shamrock7r
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Karsticles
Member
GGs man.
Karsticles
Member
Roy is Captain Falcon with Marth range, haha. Makes sense that you would like him. His up B has armor. His best approach is Nair. Massive range and no endlag. He can even chain multiple Nairs together at low %. His neutral B also has no endlag.
Samus is about the charge shot. Hers is better than Mewtwo's.
Lag got way better halfway through. There was even jitter in the first half of our matches.
Karsticles
Member
Yeah, Sakurai and crew messed up big time.
NamikazeBurst
Member
The creator can name the tourney whatever they want. The only 1v1 is in the Regular tourneys which are pre made. But these suck because it is 2 stocks in 3 minutes.
MaverickHunterAsh
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Spent a few hours messing with the new patch and features, here are my thoughts...
It's mostly pretty good! This update ably serves its purpose as a nice stopgap between major additions like new characters. As others have said, though, everything about this patch just feels "off" in a way... it's just weird, considering how it was announced so suddenly and with zero fanfare, and how there was barely any official acknowledgement of it all. I'm guessing Nintendo is still in a state of disarray from Iwata's passing.
That said, there's some great stuff here! The two new stages are both great. I never liked Peach's Castle much back in Smash 64, but for some reason I'm finding it a lot more entertaining here. It feels... bigger, I think? A little roomier? Probably not, but it just feels like a more balanced, comfortable stage than it did back in Smash 64.
Hyrule Castle was pretty much my favorite stage back in Smash 64 and I've wanted to see it return ever since returning stages first became a thing in Melee. Suffice to say, I'm thrilled to finally have it back and it's just as awesome as ever. <3
Also, this point has already been belabored but I have to mention it: the music selections for both new stages are fucking FANTASTIC. The new Zelda medley is pure aural sex, the new Super Mario 64 main theme rearrangement is quite nice, and I love retro game music and chip music in general, so I couldn't be happier with the SMB 2 and SMB 3 ground themes and the Zelda 1 and A Link to the Past overworld themes!
Tourney Mode is pretty nice, with a few glaring and unfortunately unsurprising oversights, such as not being able to create our own 1v1 tourneys. I knew they'd get this wrong, but seriously, what the fuck?
Oh well, Tourneys are pretty cool outside of that and a couple other confusing omissions. I'd say I hope these oversights get addressed in future patches, but I'm confident they won't. It's weird... Sakurai gets so, so much right and is undoubtedly one of the industry's leading, most passionate visionaries, but he really screws the pooch when it comes to almost anything related to online play. Also, I really, really love that Sakurai specifically develops these games without the hyper-competitive segment of the fanbase in mind, but damn I'm getting tired of him pushing 3-minute timed matches as the standard. It's an awful format in every way.
The only aggressively disappointing part of this patch for me is the YouTube upload feature. I was seriously looking forward to this and, in hindsight, probably should have known they wouldn't get this right or that they'd implement it in an incredibly half-baked fashion. But for whatever reason, I thought it'd be great... and not only is it not great, it's thoroughly disappointing. A time limit of three minutes and 45 seconds means this is only useful to people who play Sakurai's 2-minute timed "standard" format (which is... who, again?), and the max (well, only) quality being 720p/30fps is... well, it just feels backwards. Like I said, I should've guessed that Nintendo wouldn't knock this out of the park, and that's on me... but I also feel like they could have done better than this. I could even overlook the 720p/30fps thing and the long upload times if it wasn't for that ridiculously short time limit. Guess my dreams of not having to use my capture card to record and upload matches have been shattered.
I grabbed the Lloyd and Flying Man costumes and am very happy with them. Lloyd in particular looks great. Hoping the Mega Man fanservice returns with wave 4, though - we (or at least I) still need costumes for MegaMan Trigger/Volnutt, Shooting Star Mega Man, Bass, Roll, and MMZ-style Zero!
Also, what a shame that Dr. Mario stage wasn't real... they totally had me. I was looking forward to it. But the fake was so good that I can't even be mad about it. Kinda like ArtsyOmni's Rayman leak... but the difference here is that I really wanted this stage. I was relieved as fuck when I found out Rayman was fake.
Overall, for me it's a perfectly good patch with one crushing disappointment (YouTube) and a few minor, but unfortunate issues with an addition I otherwise like (Tourneys). Everything else is fine, though, and I love the new stages and music. Honestly, there will never be enough of new stages. I hope what Sakurai said about them not being able to add to many more somehow ends up not being the case...
It's mostly pretty good! This update ably serves its purpose as a nice stopgap between major additions like new characters. As others have said, though, everything about this patch just feels "off" in a way... it's just weird, considering how it was announced so suddenly and with zero fanfare, and how there was barely any official acknowledgement of it all. I'm guessing Nintendo is still in a state of disarray from Iwata's passing.
That said, there's some great stuff here! The two new stages are both great. I never liked Peach's Castle much back in Smash 64, but for some reason I'm finding it a lot more entertaining here. It feels... bigger, I think? A little roomier? Probably not, but it just feels like a more balanced, comfortable stage than it did back in Smash 64.
Hyrule Castle was pretty much my favorite stage back in Smash 64 and I've wanted to see it return ever since returning stages first became a thing in Melee. Suffice to say, I'm thrilled to finally have it back and it's just as awesome as ever. <3
Also, this point has already been belabored but I have to mention it: the music selections for both new stages are fucking FANTASTIC. The new Zelda medley is pure aural sex, the new Super Mario 64 main theme rearrangement is quite nice, and I love retro game music and chip music in general, so I couldn't be happier with the SMB 2 and SMB 3 ground themes and the Zelda 1 and A Link to the Past overworld themes!
Tourney Mode is pretty nice, with a few glaring and unfortunately unsurprising oversights, such as not being able to create our own 1v1 tourneys. I knew they'd get this wrong, but seriously, what the fuck?
Oh well, Tourneys are pretty cool outside of that and a couple other confusing omissions. I'd say I hope these oversights get addressed in future patches, but I'm confident they won't. It's weird... Sakurai gets so, so much right and is undoubtedly one of the industry's leading, most passionate visionaries, but he really screws the pooch when it comes to almost anything related to online play. Also, I really, really love that Sakurai specifically develops these games without the hyper-competitive segment of the fanbase in mind, but damn I'm getting tired of him pushing 3-minute timed matches as the standard. It's an awful format in every way.
The only aggressively disappointing part of this patch for me is the YouTube upload feature. I was seriously looking forward to this and, in hindsight, probably should have known they wouldn't get this right or that they'd implement it in an incredibly half-baked fashion. But for whatever reason, I thought it'd be great... and not only is it not great, it's thoroughly disappointing. A time limit of three minutes and 45 seconds means this is only useful to people who play Sakurai's 2-minute timed "standard" format (which is... who, again?), and the max (well, only) quality being 720p/30fps is... well, it just feels backwards. Like I said, I should've guessed that Nintendo wouldn't knock this out of the park, and that's on me... but I also feel like they could have done better than this. I could even overlook the 720p/30fps thing and the long upload times if it wasn't for that ridiculously short time limit. Guess my dreams of not having to use my capture card to record and upload matches have been shattered.
I grabbed the Lloyd and Flying Man costumes and am very happy with them. Lloyd in particular looks great. Hoping the Mega Man fanservice returns with wave 4, though - we (or at least I) still need costumes for MegaMan Trigger/Volnutt, Shooting Star Mega Man, Bass, Roll, and MMZ-style Zero!
Also, what a shame that Dr. Mario stage wasn't real... they totally had me. I was looking forward to it. But the fake was so good that I can't even be mad about it. Kinda like ArtsyOmni's Rayman leak... but the difference here is that I really wanted this stage. I was relieved as fuck when I found out Rayman was fake.
Overall, for me it's a perfectly good patch with one crushing disappointment (YouTube) and a few minor, but unfortunate issues with an addition I otherwise like (Tourneys). Everything else is fine, though, and I love the new stages and music. Honestly, there will never be enough of new stages. I hope what Sakurai said about them not being able to add to many more somehow ends up not being the case...
I know I'm just piling on here but damn, what a disappointment. How do you not include the possibility to make your own 1v1 tourney? Can't be the "smash shouldn't be played so competitively" bull, because they didnt include offline tourneys either!
All the regular 1v1 tourney are always already full or the next one is 20 minutes away. Maybe that should tell you something?
Also, the time is set too low on regular tourneys.
There, rant over.
All the regular 1v1 tourney are always already full or the next one is 20 minutes away. Maybe that should tell you something?
Also, the time is set too low on regular tourneys.
There, rant over.
Wyndstryker
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A lot of people are now suggesting that the new Phantom doesn't just have windbox, but a 0% hitbox. Makes sense since it gives hitstun on contact now.
Shin_Okita
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any fox players around! Is just me or canceling 2 jabs into throw was removed/nerfed?
It could be bad timing but everytime I hit the throw button the kicks are coming out!!
I noticed the jab lock was removed - fair enough, but the throw?
It could be bad timing but everytime I hit the throw button the kicks are coming out!!
I noticed the jab lock was removed - fair enough, but the throw?
Shin_Okita
Member
Same feeling! got find a new main! It seems there were quite a few nerfs
Dimitri LH
Member
Anyone on? Want to test out the new buffs on my mains.
Available on Wii U and 3DS
Available on Wii U and 3DS
Dimitri LH
Member
Oh wow, Palutena does feel faster.
Yep, seems you have to wait longer if you want to do something except jab 3 after the second jab. It's annoying really, after 2500 Fox matches having to get used to a new timing...
I read he got his fair reduced by 1% his up does more knockback and people were saying fire balls had more endlag, if the last one is true I'm happy
Dimitri LH
Member
Dint they say his tornado got nerfed? That thing was brutal.....
Still up for 1 v 1 guys.
I read all of this yesterday so dunno. I don't think it was included in the patch notes so it could be placebo
Dimitri LH
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What was the change to Zeldas Down B? I heard the wind box is good now.
Geminosity
Member
Her jab got improved. Down tilt does a little bit more damage. Phantom now scoops people up properly instead of flying past them if they're too close :3
edit: if anyone has any change queries this list is quite exhaustive and very accurate: http://smashboards.com/threads/tournament-mode-1-1-0-community-patch-notes.412130/
Dimitri LH
Member
Holy shit, time to take that old tier list out back and shoot it out of its misery.
Holy shit.
Out_Of_Ammo
Member
Seems like Dedede remains unchanged again. Dedede already perfect confirmed.
Lady Siara
Member
Anyone making a tournament? Would really like to hop in a GAF tournament as I basically lived in the MK8 ones.
Shin_Okita
Member
I noticed we can still dash grab after jab 2 or pp grab but these setups are quite unsafe and fox can be punished pretty bad!
Is the shine buff any good!? I'm not very using to use that
DK can "Hoo Hah" Now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR8LVDb8WZI Volume warning at the end.
Keep it up balance team.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR8LVDb8WZI Volume warning at the end.
Keep it up balance team.
Wyndstryker
Member
It's not just windbox. There is a 0% hitsstun on touching the Phantom when it's moving forward. Basically the phantom is a better wall and edge guard beast.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
So that means Kirby and the Dong counter Sheik. Huh.
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Lucas and Greninja got the kind of buffs I was talking about. I should have asked for Falco buffs too.
Shamrock7r
Member
What are the buffs to Lucas grab?
Nm looked them up. Interesting. I will have to give it a try as my Lucas stray has developed to the point where I rarely go for grab
SoldnerKei
Member
FTFY
but yeah, Samus could really benefit from a buff on certain stuff, oddly enough this patch skipped her, I mean I am ok with characters like Mario and ZSS not being touched at all, because they are already good characters without being ridiculous, but samus is neither, so what the freaking hell samurai???
on another note Fox getting rid of his jablock is such a bliss for Link, karma bitch! P:
Hmm, Zelda's damage buffs also kinda caused some nerfs.
D-tilt no longer combos into the Elevator at kill percents and no longer combos into itself for as long. On the plus side, it now combos into up-air at around 90%-120%, which is fantastic. You also combo d-tilt into up-smash, but it's a little awkward to land.
The Phantom Buffs are amazing though. Like, the move is actually useful now!
D-tilt no longer combos into the Elevator at kill percents and no longer combos into itself for as long. On the plus side, it now combos into up-air at around 90%-120%, which is fantastic. You also combo d-tilt into up-smash, but it's a little awkward to land.
The Phantom Buffs are amazing though. Like, the move is actually useful now!
Karsticles
Member
Has anyone tested Palutena's rolls to see how they have changed?
I don't think they will be big since you can't do anything but FFA. :/
User 73706
Banned
Serious question: what would you guys do to buff Samus? Specials, smashes, etc.
This sounds like a radio station.
Switching beams via taunts a la Project M would be a great start.
This sounds like a radio station.
These buffs to Marth feel very nice. Having less landing lag on all his aerials really helps him out, though honestly the lag is still too much on his fair.
Make Nair not shit anymore by reverting it back to Melee nair.
Increase the size of Dair sweetspot so it spikes easier
Decrease lag on Missiles
Increase the damage and knockback with Missiles so that they can kill
Fix f-tilt by reverting it to pre-patch version
Fix her jab
Increase size of f-smash sweetspot, make sourspot stronger too
Increase knockback of d-smash so that it can kill
Decrease lag on grab
There's more, but that's everything I can think of right now.
Make Nair not shit anymore by reverting it back to Melee nair.
Increase the size of Dair sweetspot so it spikes easier
Decrease lag on Missiles
Increase the damage and knockback with Missiles so that they can kill
Fix f-tilt by reverting it to pre-patch version
Fix her jab
Increase size of f-smash sweetspot, make sourspot stronger too
Increase knockback of d-smash so that it can kill
Decrease lag on grab
There's more, but that's everything I can think of right now.