Just watch for the basic things he does like how he approaches, what he does after a grab and things like that. Probably best not to focus too much on combos or crazy setups just yet when watching him
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Just watch for the basic things he does like how he approaches, what he does after a grab and things like that. Probably best not to focus too much on combos or crazy setups just yet when watching him
NamikazeBurst
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No, but you can against my Ike! And practically everyone else.
How comes I don't see more people play Lucario? That aura is seemingly so powerful. Maybe it's like Sonic, and even though a lot of people say he's powerful, many are not suited to playing him. Though I don't see Lucario high on tier lists, so he probably has major setbacks in other aspects.
I forgot about that bowling ball on the first stock.
I forgot about that bowling ball on the first stock.
NamikazeBurst
Member
Probably just what you said. He is incredibly weak at low %, and he relies on a lot of reads.
Cyberman65
Member
I was wondering about this to. He was really popular in Brawl, but I hardly see people play him. He's super scary in Rage.
NamikazeBurst
Member
Haha, wow. That 'edge guarding' was not fair. Good games. I did alright with the random button. I felt my mains were way off today, especially when Shamrock joined.
I'm having one of those days where I just keep making the same bad decisions over and over even though I'm very aware of what I'm doing wrong.
Like I just went up against a not so great Zelda player who I had figured out after the 1st game, yet I kept letting myself get caught by the same shit over and over. I was also spacing things really badly and not punishing properly. Definitely having a bad Smash day.
Like I just went up against a not so great Zelda player who I had figured out after the 1st game, yet I kept letting myself get caught by the same shit over and over. I was also spacing things really badly and not punishing properly. Definitely having a bad Smash day.
NamikazeBurst
Member
Sounds like me every day lately.
Wyndstryker
Member
I run into that so many times that I catch on quick nowadays even on bad days.
It usually after I take one stock off someone, then they pull "cheap" strategies to guarantee them a win. I just flip the table and go "spammy" if they decide to pull that off.
I never allow myself to get to the point of calling people spammy or anything like that. Unless lag is a big issue, if people use cheap tactics to win and I can't counter it then that's entirely on me. Even if they are just spamming.
And in this case it wasn't that the player was spamming the same move over and over, I just meant his general playstyle was simple and predictable and I still did poorly. Eventually I stopped being an idiot and beat him a bunch of times, but it still didn't feel good.
Wyndstryker
Member
I don't change my name, I just change style. If someone wants to be cheap, I'll show them a whole new degree of cheap. Getting juggled by din's fire and phantom is always fun to piss off cheap players. I might be called a spammer but thats fine, since the spam method is usually a response to spam/cheap in the first place. And how I see it, sometimes it's one of the few viable strategies left if you can't find a way to counter an opponents style.
Oh now I get ya. When you put said "Spammy" like that I just assumed you changed your tag.
I pretty much do the same thing as you do. Just try to frustrate them into doing something stupid, though that generally only works against bad players since Zelda doesn't have good spamming options.
I pretty much do the same thing as you do. Just try to frustrate them into doing something stupid, though that generally only works against bad players since Zelda doesn't have good spamming options.
His neutral isn't good enough to fight high mobility characters, basically. Fair isn't the god it was in Brawl, so a lot of characters just win the air game against him. Without the air game he's stuck with aura sphere and his poopy ground speed, and even then it's not very scary to just shield against him until force palm kill %s.
His rewards for good reads when he does have aura are bonkers so he'll never be "bad," but pretty much all of his kill options require a hard read. Bair is the only one anyone should be surprised by but that's still slow enough that you won't hit it often outside of airdodge punishes.
Anyone wanna 1v1?
I'll play for a little while. Can't remember if I have you added, NNID is Oidisco
I'll be ready to play in a few minutes, just gotta make tea first
This feels a little laggy to me. Throwing me off a bit
There's definitely some latency, not seeing major spikes or anything like that though. Probably just a distance issue.
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I'm gonna be stupid and use ZSS when I'm already playing poorly! Ok that started off horribly but I got back into the swing of things with her after a bit. Still not feeling it though
I honestly don't know if it's me or the lag that's causing so many incorrect inputs, but hey atleast that last one actually worked out for me!
I'm gonna be stupid and use ZSS when I'm already playing poorly! Ok that started off horribly but I got back into the swing of things with her after a bit. Still not feeling it though
I honestly don't know if it's me or the lag that's causing so many incorrect inputs, but hey atleast that last one actually worked out for me!
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Somebody talked about Greninja while I wasn't around.
My internet fixed itself long enough for me to play against Boney, but that same night a thunderstorm reset everything with a power surge and it went right back to being broken. So I need to complain to the office or something, because the network in this building does not seem to be set up very well. I've gotten to play literally only one day since the patch.
He's too short. Stupid short mouse-thing.
My internet fixed itself long enough for me to play against Boney, but that same night a thunderstorm reset everything with a power surge and it went right back to being broken. So I need to complain to the office or something, because the network in this building does not seem to be set up very well. I've gotten to play literally only one day since the patch.
He's too short. Stupid short mouse-thing.
NamikazeBurst
Member
Anyone want to play? I am tired so you don't have to fight Yoshi.
Look on the bright side. I can't whiff punish the ones that do come out!
NamikazeBurst
Member
Random just gave me Blue Yoshi. It must be a sign.
DIed into it because DIing teleport is a complete guess online!
NamikazeBurst
Member
I'll play.
Nah, it just seems that way because our connection sucks and I can't punish your whiffs or rolls on reaction, so I'm stuck guessing regardless of which character I play.
Even with aura he has nothing solid in neutral and gets destroyed by anyone with decent disjointed aerials, so :v
GGs.
Karsticles
Member
You have to master B-reversing his Aura Sphere. Key to his neutral.
I've seen this said a lot, but I don't get it at all. You can't use it offensively against people who aren't just sitting in their shields or whiffing random moves on the ground for no reason. If they're just sitting in their shield, they block it and then... either you get really specific weird collision going on and get a shield grab that you could've gotten off an empty jump anyway, or you get nothing.
Anyone with fast enough/disjointed enough aerials just hits him with a retreating nair/fair/whatever their good move is if he's ballsy enough to jump in blindly, and aura sphere's hitbox sucks and loses to that harder than any of his other aerials. Nevermind the fact that rolling behind it completely nullifies any threat it would have otherwise.
I mean, I've seen matches where people use it, but I still don't understand why anyone gets hit by it besides lack of matchup knowledge.
Anyone around to play a little?
Without really knowing much about it, I've seen it used as an approach option. Junebug (on the VGBC youtube channel) used to use it. He's not really getting on stream much anymore though.
Without really knowing much about it, I've seen it used as an approach option. Junebug (on the VGBC youtube channel) used to use it. He's not really getting on stream much anymore though.
Anonymous Tipster
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Someone play me!
Let's play, though it probably won't be for too long cause MM/LilM frustrates me. Customs off. Can you host?
Anonymous Tipster
Member
Ah, sorry to hear it. Don't force yourself or anything, haha.
Sure, room is up
Mega Man's neutral b is just too much, this is such a terrible matchup for Bowser. Even from 0% it lifts him off the ground, any button will put him into landing lag. I'm moving to secondaries, but won't last much longer at this rate. My deal when playing this game is I'm only playing to have fun.
Anonymous Tipster
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I can switch if you'd like.
Karsticles
Member
I have had it used very effectively against me. You use it as a juke, not as a direct approach. If you waveland it properly, you get a massive sudden shift in direction with a huge hitbox. You can also land usmash and bair off of it.
At worst, it gets shielded and you get a free fully charged Aura Sphere to throw. Not bad.
Rolling behind it just means you shield and return to the neutral. If they roll in front, you can fire a shot.
NamikazeBurst
Member
Good games. i can't think clearly anymore.
That helps. My controller has developed the habit of randomly setting buttons to turbo lately, it's quite annoying.
NamikazeBurst
Member
You didn't seem any different than normal. If anything, your Robin is a lot better, and she is really annoying to fight. The only random character I got that I felt I wasn't getting thrown around and pelted with magic was Mario. It got a lot easier with Yoshi. Shulk seemed to be the same, and you seemed to do better each match. Not being able to tech a lot of that stuff with the usual online lag + the additional lag we had + my tech skills was not putting me in a good position versus Shulk. I think I was grabbed 20+ times per match against Link. I never end up mashing jump when being in the jab combo, but I think that will let me evade the grab.